In this powerful discussion, Pastor Stephanie and Dr. Erica Jewel explore the difference between being active in church and actually being transformed, highlighting how emotions, involvement, and image cannot replace true relationship with Christ, obedience, surrender, and real spiritual change.

What We Talk About:

• How routine church culture can create “religious performance”
• Why emotions, church involvement, and good deeds are not the same as relationship
• The power of teaching churches that lead people into real change
• What true transformation looks like versus outward religious behavior
• The difference between having a “form of godliness” and walking in God’s power
• Why seeking God personally matters more than looking spiritual publicly

In today’s conversation, Pastor Stephanie and Dr. Erica Jewel unpack the pressure many believers feel to perform in church and in life, revealing how people-pleasing, expectations, and pretending disconnect us from God, while authentic faith begins with surrender and honesty before Him.

What We Talk About:

• The difference between outward appearance and inward transformation
• People pleasing in the church and why it is spiritually dangerous
• How rules, expectations, and culture can overshadow true holiness
• Social media holiness vs. secret-place holiness
• Building real relationship with Christ instead of maintaining image
• Encouragement to seek God personally rather than chasing approval

In this episode, Pastor Stephanie and Dr. Erica Jewel talk honestly about what it really means to live holy beyond church performance, expectations, and image. They explore how holiness is rooted in surrender, trust, and genuine relationship with God instead of perfection or pressure.

What We Talk About:

• Why many believers think holiness is hard
• How love and relationship with God make obedience easier
• Trusting God enough to release control
• What surrender looks like when life is actually hard
• How the Holy Ghost helps us respond differently
• Growing spiritually through dependence, discipline, and trust

In this first episode of “Let’s Be Holy for Real,” Pastor Stephanie and Dr. Erica Jewel talk honestly about what it truly means to live holy beyond church performance, expectations, and appearances. Together, they explore how real holiness flows from relationship with God rather than religious image or behavior.

What we talk about:

• Why many believers feel pressure to “act holy” instead of living holy
• Church culture, performance, image, and exhaustion
• Honesty, repentance, and confronting our own hearts
• The importance of spiritual maturity rather than perfection
• Why the Word of God reveals who we really are
• Moving from pretending to truly pursuing holiness