In a world defined by voters fed up with the binary options of our two-party system, is there a third way that’s not…delulu? In this episode, Sarah talks with Maurice Mitchell, the national director of The Working Families Party, about how to build a robust third party without ignoring the very real math problem third party candidates can pose in America’s intensely polarized elections. Maurice gets into the community support it takes to reach long term political goals—without letting democracy do a swan dive off the top of the top of the Capitol Building.

Follow "America, Who Hurt You?" on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube for more hope and encouragement throughout your week. This episode was executive-produced by Sarah Jones. Kennedy Hill is our producer and digital strategist. Our audio engineer is Peter Geiser. Thank you to Gina Delvac for production support.