#130 – How do Kate and Hao back up their files? Computers break, and you better have a Plan B. Find out on this episode! But first, they're going to PLAY THE SIMS and TALK OVER IT. Is there audio from the game? No! Is Hao recording from his normal (good) microphone? No! Such is the lo-fi grunge quality of indie podcasting.

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Plugs this week:

• The Formik React library for making forms in React (Hao)
• Backing up your computer (Kate0