Let's Talk About That

What does it really take to last in ministry?

In Episode 2 of Let's Talk About That, Pastor D’Andre sits down with Pastor Eric Butler of Christian International Church for an honest conversation about servanthood, spiritual maturity, and the process God uses to shape our lives.

With decades of ministry experience, Pastor Eric shares why serving faithfully matters, why gifting can never replace the work God wants to do in us, and how seasons of suffering and wilderness can become places of preparation rather than punishment.

They also unpack the difference between seeking God’s hand and seeking His face, the importance of hearing His voice, the dangers of chasing platforms over character, and the church’s call to return to its first love: Jesus.

Whether you’re a pastor, preacher, worship leader, volunteer, or someone learning to stay faithful to God’s calling, this conversation is a reminder that you can’t skip the process, and you can’t give up on the calling.

Be faithful to the Lord, serve with gladness, and don’t give up.

Let’s talk about the things that matter.

Ministry is rewarding—but it can also cost you if you’re not careful.

In the first episode of Let’s Talk About That, Pastor D’Andre sits down with Pastor Matthew of Venture Church for an honest conversation about the parts of ministry and leadership that don’t always get talked about.

They unpack regrets from seasons of neglecting family, the importance of protecting your priorities, navigating fatigue and discouragement, and why every leader and volunteer needs to remember their “why.”

They also talk about walking through wilderness seasons, building healthy church culture, choosing character over gifting, loving people through the hard moments, and learning to serve for the long haul.

Whether you’re a pastor, leader, volunteer, or simply someone trying to stay faithful to what God has called you to do, this conversation is a reminder: don’t grow weary in doing good. Your yes matters.

Let’s talk about the things that matter.