Let's Talk Data

Minister Solly Malatsi sits down with Lebogang Langa to talk about what governing a digital economy actually requires, when the technology moves faster than the frameworks built to contain it, and the infrastructure it runs on is largely owned elsewhere.

The conversation moves through the National AI Policy withdrawal and what it revealed about how government is adopting AI without governance, the Starlink and equity equivalent investment controversy and what problem it was actually trying to solve, and a direct challenge drawn from the Freedom Charter: if "the people shall share in the country's wealth" were written today, what would it demand of a portfolio built on data, platforms, and networks.

Along the way, Malatsi speaks candidly about growing up in rural Limpopo, what coalition government has actually cost him, and his own honest assessment of whether South Africa can build the digital future it needs.

What does it actually cost to lead at scale? Not the version you see on LinkedIn; the real one. The loneliness. The pressure to perform strength even when you're breaking. The feedback that forces you to look at yourself honestly.

Nomonde White is a multi-award-winning technology executive serving as Managing Executive and Chief Information Officer for Group Compliance at Absa Group, where she leads enterprise-wide technology strategy across compliance and regulatory platforms in a complex, multi-jurisdictional banking environment. Previously CIO at Bidvest Bank, she was recognised nationally for strategic leadership and high-performance team building, earning multiple top honours at the 2024 CIO South Africa Awards. Beyond her corporate mandate, she serves as Chairperson of Wired4Women, championing the advancement of women in technology leadership.

In this conversation, she talks about what digital transformation actually means when it's measured by whether it changes someone's life. She talks about AI without the hype or the fear. She talks about what psychological safety really looks like; and what silence in a room tells you when it isn't.

And she talks about the things leadership conversations usually avoid. The sacrifice. The loneliness. The moment a team member's tears made her recalibrate everything. Why no is a full sentence. And what it means to lead without losing yourself.

Leading Through Complexity Without Losing Yourself. Nomonde White on leadership, vulnerability, and what matters most.

Your personal data is sitting inside institutions you trust; banks, telecoms, technology companies, being processed, protected, and in some cases misused, in ways most people never see and rarely question.

Amenda has spent her career being the person responsible for what happens to it. A former litigator who found her way into data privacy before most organisations knew they needed it, she has built privacy functions from scratch across telematics, telecommunications, and financial services and today leads data privacy at one of South Africa's most significant financial institutions.

In this conversation, she is candid about where most South African organisations really are on POPIA compliance and it is not where they say they are. She talks about the difference between cybersecurity and data protection that even senior professionals confuse, what privacy by design actually looks like inside a data engineering team, and why the growing economy of buying and selling personal data is something the regulator is struggling to contain.

She also asks the question that sits underneath all of it: in an age of generative AI, where your information is already out there in ways you cannot reverse, is privacy still something any of us can genuinely control? Or has it become, as she puts it, a facade?

This is not a compliance conversation. It is a conversation about power, who holds your information, who benefits from it, and who is actually accountable when something goes wrong.

What does it mean to build an agricultural system that is not just more efficient; but more just?

In this episode of Let's Talk Data, Lebogang Langa sits down with Faith Burn, Chief Technology and Operations Officer at the Land and Agricultural Development Bank of South Africa. Faith has led technology across some of South Africa's most complex organisations - Eskom, Novartis, Tsebo, and now Land Bank. In this conversation, she speaks candidly about the digital divide facing rural farmers, the ethics of agricultural data ownership, and what it would take for South Africa to move from talking about inclusion to actually building it.

Most banks are still tinkering at the edges. Bank Zero bet everything on building differently. Behind that bet is a technology leader who has spent decades learning not just how to build systems, but how to build the judgment to know which system to build.

Gita Daya is CIO of Bank Zero and one of the most experienced technology leaders in South African financial services. In this conversation we cover the architectural philosophy behind one of the continent's boldest banking experiments, the real meaning of innovation in a heavily regulated industry, and what AI is actually exposing about the state of technology leadership across the sector.

But the conversation goes further than technology. We talk about power, identity, stewardship and what it means to build something you'll eventually have to hand to someone else. It's a rare combination, technical depth and genuine human honesty from a leader at the top of her field.

In this episode of Let’s Talk Data, Lebogang Langa sits down with Wendy Turner Williams to explore what the 2026 Chief Data & AI Officer mandate truly demands.

From enterprise intelligence and semantic modelling to board-level accountability, this conversation examines how the role of the CDO is evolving beyond data management into systems leadership. What does it mean to design architectures that don’t just scale technically, but scale responsibly? How do leaders prove ROI while managing regulatory exposure, model risk, and long-term societal impact?

Drawing from her leadership across Microsoft, Salesforce, Tableau, and now as Co-Founder of SymphraAI, Wendy shares how enterprise intelligence is shifting from dashboards to decision systems, where semantic clarity, governance discipline, and predictive value are non-negotiable.

The conversation also moves beyond enterprise walls to global equity. We challenge the dominant model of AI education partnerships, often structured as one-way transfers of funding, curriculum, or talent.

What would a truly reciprocal data and AI education partnership look like between Africa and the United States, where both sides contribute knowledge, shape standards, and learn from one another?

This episode is about leadership in the intelligence era: architecting meaning through semantic models, designing systems that outlast market cycles,

and redefining global collaboration.

In an era where trust, scale, and speed define financial services, technology leadership can no longer be reactive. In this episode of Let’s Talk Data, Lebogang sits down with Wim, CIO at Capitec, about what it truly means to build reliability , not just into systems, but into organizations and people.

The conversation explores how large banks move beyond firefighting toward resilient, product-led platforms; how accountability for reliability shifts from engineering teams to leadership; and why CIOs must play an active role in shaping South Africa’s tech talent pipeline.

This is a conversation about building systems that can fail gracefully, teams that can move confidently, and an ecosystem that can compete globally while serving local realities.

In this episode, Lebogang Langa sits down with Blessing Mgaga, Divisional Executive for Retail Client Experience Delivery at Capitec Bank, for a masterclass on building technology organisations that deliver real impact.

Blessing unpacks the critical balance between innovation and execution — from cutting through AI hype to focus on measurable outcomes, to implementing platform engineering principles that scale without creating legacy debt. He introduces the "product health" framework that's democratising data across Capitec, turning every business owner into a data-informed decision

In this conversation, we explore:

- Building high-performing tech and data teams that understand client outcomes

- Platform engineering roadmaps: bringing product, architecture, and DevOps together

- Why tech fluency at leadership level matters (but client centricity matters more)

- Measuring what matters: governance frameworks for AI and data investments

- Designing for equality in diverse markets with infrastructure challenges

- The importance of walking in your client's shoes (literally)

- Micro-learning, certifications, and accessible paths into tech careers

- The future of agentic AI and what leaders should watch

Drawing from over two decades in financial services and his journey from the township of Kagiso to leading product development for millions of clients, Blessing offers practical frameworks for sustainable growth and a refreshing perspective: the best technology decisions start with understanding the people you serve.

Whether you're scaling engineering teams, modernising platforms, or leading digital transformation, this conversation delivers actionable insights from building South Africa's largest digital bank.

In this inspiring episode of Let’s Talk Data, I sit down with Tarebi Alebiosu, an award-winning tech innovator and entrepreneur based in Lagos, Nigeria. As the founder and CEO of QShop Tech Inc, Tarebi is transforming the African e-commerce landscape by empowering over 25,000 SMEs across Nigeria and Ghana with scalable digital solutions.

We explore her journey from studying and working in New York to building ventures like QShop, Yoke Solutions, and QTrack, all of which sit at the intersection of AI, business optimisation, and scalable digital infrastructure. Tarebi shares her insights on:

- The rise of e-commerce in Africa and the structural changes needed to unlock its full potential

- Leveraging AI responsibly to bridge the gap between strategy and day-to-day execution

- Self-advocacy, mentorship, and leadership in male-dominated industries

- Breaking barriers as a woman in tech and inspiring the next generation

We also discuss her recent recognition as a Veuve Clicquot Bold Woman Award winner, what this milestone means to her, and how she balances entrepreneurship with her personal journey of growth and self-love.

Whether you’re an aspiring entrepreneur, tech enthusiast, or simply curious about the future of business and innovation in Africa, this episode will leave you inspired to think bigger and take bold steps toward your own dreams.

In episode 2 of Let’s Talk Data, Lebogang Langa sits down with Gerrie Fourie, outgoing CEO of Capitec Bank, to reflect on nearly three decades of leadership and transformation. As a pioneer of people-centered, tech-enabled banking, Gerrie shares his insights on what it means to lead with purpose in the age of AI, and how Capitec became one of South Africa’s most trusted financial institutions by blending digital innovation with deep human empathy.

We explore the future of work, financial inclusion, and the ethical challenges of artificial intelligence in a country still grappling with inequality. From his views on building resilient teams, to Capitec’s role in shaping a digitally empowered South Africa, this conversation is both timely and deeply personal.

What legacy does Gerrie hope to leave — not just for Capitec, but for a generation of leaders navigating change? And how do we ensure AI becomes a force for economic inclusion, not exclusion?

This is an episode about leadership, legacy, and the power of data to shape a more just future.