Let's Think Digital

How do we get stuff done? If there’s a broader theme for this season of the podcast, it’s that. How do we get unstuck from the mud that we seem to be in, and get on with actually realizing our digital ambitions in government?

It would be easy to chase the next big digital technology. But this episode we're talking about why need to pay attention to the "plumbing." We have to think about the underlying infrastructure and the need to make upfront investments to identify and fix the deep structural problems in government that prevent us from achieving the ambitious vision of what a modern government should look like. It’s the unsexy, behind the scenes things that really holds us back.

Joining us this week to talk about this is Honey Dacanay. She is the Director-General of Policy and Performance at the Office of the Government of Canada’s Chief Information Officer at Treasury Board Secretariat. She joined the federal government in 2019 taking on roles initially in the Canada School of Public Service and then Service Canada, bringing her experience from serving in the Province of Ontario where she was one of the co-founders of the Ontario Digital Service. She’s also a Professor of Practice at McMaster University where she teaches about digital government in their Master of Public Policy in a Digital Society program. And in 2019 Honey was named one of Apolitical’s 100 Most influential people in Digital Government.

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Chapters

00:04 Introduction and Welcome

02:45 Honey Dacanay

04:31 The Need for Upfront Investment in Digital Teams

18:33 Teaching the Next Generation of Leaders

20:36 The Importance of Public Administration in Digital Transformation

29:55 Closing Remarks and Reflections

Can government do the things that it says it is going to do? One of the hardest things that public servants have to do is implement and it gets to the heart of a state's capacity to deliver. In the digital era, that means being able to deliver digitally. And when we think about state capacity in this context, it often seems that we find our institutions coming up short.

State capacity is something that this week's guest has thought a lot about. Jennifer Pahlka is a leading figure in the digital government movement in the United States, and recently authored a new book, "Recoding America: Why Government is Failing in the Digital Age and How We Can Do Better."

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Jennifer served as Deputy Chief Technology Officer for the US Government under President Obama’s Administration where she helped to create the United States Digital Service. She is also the founder and former executive director of Code for America which she led for 10 years. More recently she co-founded and is Chair of the Board of Directors for the United States Digital Response, which was a new organization that was set up to help governments respond to the COVID-19 crisis through mobilizing volunteer tech talent. 

She spoke to Ryan at the FWD50 Conference in November about why governments seem to find themselves in a crisis of implementation and delivery regardless of partisan stripe. They also talk about ways to get unstuck, and stay motivated, including a really heartwarming end to the interview where Jennifer talks about what to do when we are feeling demoralized and that change is never going to come.  

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Chapters

00:04 Introduction and Welcome

03:15 Interview with Jennifer Pahlka

05:20 The Importance of State Capacity in Government

06:24 Policy vs. Implementation

09:38 Key Takeaways from Recoding America

15:36 The Role of Political Leadership

24:20 Are Our Systems of Democratic Governance Still Fit for Purpose?

28:23 Commonalities Across Jurisdictions

32:19 The Role of Civic Tech in Government

37:41 Don't Give Up

38:55 Closing Remarks and Book Giveaway Announcement

We're back for Season 2! This week, we have Sean Boots, an open government manager and a veteran of digital transformation efforts in the Canadian federal government. In this conversation we talk about how we seem to be stuck in the mud on our digital transformation journey, and Sean's recent presentation at the FWD50 conference and open letter to the Clerk of the Privy Council that lays out his radical (but implementable) ideas that would make the public service better equipped to handle the challenges of today and tomorrow.

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https://youtu.be/9qI1R9Z2ouM

Related Links

• To the Clerk, and friends (Sean Boots' open letter)
• Revolution, not evolution, for federal public service delivery (Sean Boots FWD50 talk)
• Chief information officer Catherine Luelo resigns from job revamping federal tech (Policy Options)
• What Canada can learn from Ukraine about digital services for citizens (Aaron Snow / Ottawa Citizen)
• Customer service a new concept for Canada’s Immigration Department (Toronto Star)
• Byte-Sized Progress: Assessing Digital Transformation in the Government of Canada (The Dais)
• Overview of the Government’s Digital Service Transformation (Parliamentary Budget Office)

00:05 Introduction and Season One Recap

01:31 Ryan's Thoughts on the Current State of Digital Government

06:23 Introducing this Week's Guest: Sean Boots

07:46 Interview with Sean Boots

24:00 Why Leaders Need to Have Digital Competency

31:18 Sean's Wildest Ideas

34:49 Reflections on the Canadian Digital Service

43:23 Staying Optimistic

45:09 Conclusion

On June 16, we had a special livestream to celebrate the conclusion of Season 1 of Let's Think Digital! Listen to the Think Digital team to talk about how social media has been changing our world, the future of work, and reflections on the previous episodes. We also took some audience Q&A.

Thanks to Mike Kujawski, Rebecca Hollett, Mel Han, Aislinn Bornais, Meghan Hellstern, Jen Schellinck, Mike Gifford, Nilufer Erdebil, and Wayne Chu for appearing. 

Watch on YouTube

https://youtube.com/live/lGNJ1zHXM78

Related Links

• Open source and accessibility: How we can make government digital services available to everyone
• Catch-up on Season One of Let’s Think Digital!

This week, Meghan Hellstern, Trainer and Facilitator with Think Digital, co-hosts with Ryan and reflects on her time at the 2023 Code for America Summit in Washington, D.C! In this episode, we hear about how digital transformation is as much about people, as it is technology.

Big thanks to Hillary Hartley, Dorothy Eng, Ariel Kennan, Amanda Renteria, Karina Rider, Natalie Talis, and Luke Simcoe for taking time out of their busy conference to sit and reflect with Meghan.

Related Links

• Code for America Summit

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Over the past decade it seems like countless innovation labs have sprung up inside of government. But do they really work? Sometimes innovation and government can seem like a contradiction in terms. This week, Ryan co-hosts with Think Digital Associate, Nick Scott, to dig deep into not only the ways that governments themselves can become more innovative, but why government might actually be necessary for innovation to flourish.

Joining Ryan and Nick to explore this topic is Alex Ryan, Co-founder and CEO of Synthetikos. Alex has a tremendous breadth of experience having previously ran innovation labs in the United States, Alberta, and most recently, serving as Vice President of the Solutions Lab at MaRS in Toronto. He talks about what he has learned during his years of experience helping government and the social sector harness innovation, his belief that government can in fact be innovative, and how government is the ultimate opportunity to do innovation at scale.

If you ever have wanted to learn about what these things called innovation labs really are, what they are good for (and what they aren't), this is the episode for you!

Related Links

• What I learned from 5 years on MaRS - Blog post by Alex Ryan
• Observatory of Public Sector Innovation - OECD website
• Registration link for GovMaker Conference - June 14, 2023, Fredericton, NB
• Registration link for Alex Ryan and Nick Scott workshop: Mission Possible: Mission-Oriented Innovation for 21st Century Challenges - June 15, 2023, Fredericton, NB
• The GovMaker Podcast

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This episode, we go deep and talk about everything you need to know about artificial intelligence, machine learning, large language models like ChatGPT, and big data in the government context.

Our first guests are Jen Schellinck, Associate at Think Digital and CEO of Sysabee, and John Stroud, who runs an initiative with Jen called AI Guides. Jen and John will introduce you to AI basics and buzzwords.

Next we look to the future with Cecilia Tham, CEO and Founder of Futurity Systems, to talk about where we could be heading as a society with AI in ways we can only start to imagine.

Third, Shingai Manjengwa, Founder of Fireside Analytics, will join us to chat AI risks, mitigations, and frameworks to use AI in responsible and ethical ways.

And finally, we have a preview of a research report that we are publishing next month that explores how governments around the world are approaching the governance of artificial intelligence. Jacob Danto-Clancy and Bryce Edwards from the Think Digital team join us to share some insights from their work on this project.

Related Links

• Building an interspecies economy via the Plantiverse (from Futurity Systems)
• Intense - a quarterly lifestyle magazine from 2030.  All the images were made by Midjourney and co-written with GPT. (from Futurity Systems)
• Futurity Science Tools, a data-driven platform for futures intelligence (from Futurity Systems)
• If ChatGPT was a colleague... - blog post by Shingai Manjengwa

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On this episode we talk about the human factors that can prevent and enable digital government innovation. We start with Alistair Croll, Founder and Content Chair of FWD50, and the results of their 2023 Digital Government Content Survey. There's some really interesting results about what digital government practitioners are seeing as priorities, and the challenges they face in pushing through innovation within their organizations.

We then talk with Nilufer Erdebil, Founder and CEO of Spring2 Innovation and an Associate at Think Digital, who talks about her new book, "Future Proofing by Design". She talks about the importance of design thinking, not just as a methodology, but as a way of approaching problem solving in government that can make your life, the lives of citizens, and even your boss' life, easier.

Related Links

• FWD50 2023 Digital Government Content Survey Results
• Future Proofing by Design, by Nilufer Erdebil

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This week on Let's Think Digital we tackle the idea that government organizations are slow and resistant to change, and explore the idea that digital innovation is a necessary skill set for public servants to learn. Joining Ryan is Robyn Scott, the CEO and Co-founder of Apolitical, a global learning platform dedicated to supporting public servants in building 21st century governments that work for people and the planet. Robyn shares her insights on the types of skill sets public servants need to learn, the challenges of transformation in government, and the importance of connecting with peers from around the world.

Visit Apolitical and learn about their training and learning community supports.

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Unlike in the private sector, governments don't choose their users. That's why even more important in the public sector to make sure that technology and digital transformation efforts work for everyone. It doesn’t matter how innovative or efficient digital technology can be for public institutions if the implementation of those actively exclude people from accessing and benefiting from public services and assets.

That’s why principles like accessibility, sustainability and openness are so important when we think about digital transformation.

Joining Ryan to talk about this is Mike Gifford, an Associate with Think Digital, and a Senior Strategist at CivicActions, a technology consultancy that helps government deliver better public services through modern technology and design.

Watch the Video Version of the Episode

https://youtu.be/rmO5T7zQtU4