How do you not take failure personally, but instead use it as a tool for growth?

Shailesh Kumar, SVP of Engineering at ClickUp, sits down with Rob to share his experiences being a part of numerous organizations on the brink of major growth. As head of engineering, Shailesh has had to manage his teams through difficult circumstances like platform stability challenges with a healthy dose of trial and error.

He's become adept at working through complex problems and keeping the teams motivated even when it feels like they're falling more than they're succeeding. Have a topic you want us to discuss? Reach out to us on Twitter at @CircleCI!