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Eternal life might be more than “someday.” What if it is also hidden in plain sight, available right now as the concealed presence of God in the world? David sits down with returning guest Tracy Perez for a deep, Scripture-rich conversation that reframes spiritual growth as learning to see, not just learning to behave.
We start with Tracy’s book, The Old Way, and the story behind it: his son Connor, diagnosed with severe nonverbal autism, begins communicating profound spiritual insight and describes “the old way” as a place of saints and angels. That launches us into Olam, a biblical word often translated ancient or eternal, and the idea that “eternal” can mean hidden, not only beyond time. From there we explore the “eyes of the heart,” the heart as the center of the person, and why the imagination is not make-believe but a God-given capacity for perceiving an invisible Father.
Tracy breaks down being made in the image of God as a function we live out, then traces how imagination shows up across Genesis, from the Garden to Babel, and why unity shapes what becomes possible. We also connect to the New Testament language of nous, the inner eye, and the early church conviction that we become what we behold. The conversation ends with a practical gut-check about distraction, scrolling, and what is quietly forming us, plus a hopeful reminder that God still speaks through creation and covenant.
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