Prompted by the news of the passing of former England cricketer Graham Thorpe, Luke and Fraser take the opportunity to discuss what life can be like for many ex-professional sportspeople.

Reflecting on their own experiences, and the experiences of those around them, they investigate the mentality and resilience needed to perform as an elite player and how this mindset can often be detrimental in the "real world". They also highlight the striking differences between the corporate and sporting worlds by illustrating that despite having a common goal and being part of a team, employees are often better motivated by their own interests.

Discovering that they both share the mentality of putting themselves under stress or in discomfort, both Fraser and Luke reflect on what they feel is their innate need to push themselves, and wonder if other athletes explore this feeling by undertaking other extreme physical and mental challenges. Finally, they discuss the necessity of structure during their time as athletes and how after retirement they struggled without the instruction and support of others.

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