Life Enthusiast

Podcast 492: Psychology and Purpose

In this episode, Martin Pytela sits down with Dr. Kim Chronister, a clinical psychologist with extensive expertise in relationship dynamics and mental health, to discuss the profound effects of personal identity and self-expansion on happiness and well-being. Dr. Chronister offers insights on navigating breakups, coping with depression, and sustaining healthy relationships, particularly in the context of recent societal challenges like lockdowns. She advocates for rediscovering oneself through hobbies and recognizing toxic behaviors, all while maintaining individuality in relationships. Listeners will learn practical strategies for healing, rebuilding, and cultivating fulfilling connections.

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MARTIN: Greetings, everyone. This is Martin Pytela for Life Enthusiast podcast. And with me today, doctor Kim Chronister. I will let her tell her own story. But first and foremost, Kim is an accomplished person. She’s been through the mill. She has her chops. So listen carefully because her knowledge is won through the mill of life. This is not just reading books. Hello, Kim Chronister.

KIM: Hello. Nice to see you again. How are you?

MARTIN: That’s great. Yeah. You know, life always deals me something interesting every time.

KIM: Yeah.

MARTIN: Care to review some of the accomplishments that brought you here so that we know that you have the authority to speak of whatever we’re going to do next?

KIM: Absolutely. So I’m a clinical psychologist, so I have a doctoral in clinical psychology. I’ve worked in inpatient treatment centers, outpatient treatment centers, been a director of rehab settings, worked in substance use, mood disorders. Right now, what I kind of specialize in are relationships, breakup, recovery, and helping people get through kind of arduous times and finding themselves, their identity and getting out of depression. So that’s kind of my wheelhouse right now.

MARTIN: Boy, we’ve done a lot of that these last four years, have pretty much compressed all the things that have been perhaps brewing. Right? And then we have had the shutdowns and lockups and God knows what’s that really, what’s the word? Amplified all the friction that we may have had in relationships. Right.

KIM: Absolutely. Yeah. And that’s why I think the research on what actually makes people feel filled up inside and the relationships that kind of nurture their identity and kind of making sure that people are thinking about self expansion, like people that actually motivate them with their goals if they’re going to be dating them. And then just the prongs of contentment with positive psychology research.

MARTIN: Right. I think reflecting on myself, pursuit of a worthy goal seems to be the method by which I structure my day, as in I wake up wanting to do what I’m about to do. So that I think is reasonably healthy.

KIM: Very much, yes.

MARTIN: If I were to find myself in a relationship that’s unwinding itself or has unwound itself, that would be pretty. What’s the word? I don’t know. Depressing.

KIM: Right? Yeah. I mean, you have hit it on the head there. So the positive psychology research really shows that connection, meaning and purpose and activity and then a sense of identity or what help us become happier or content. So if we have that connection prong messed up there, whether that’s feeling lonely within a relationship, or recovering from a breakup or seeing red flags in a relationship, not feeling like yourself there. Someone may be denying your needs for self expansion or growth. All of that can be really affecting your mood and how you feel about yourself. And then meaning and purpose you hit on, which is really, really excellent.

You going for your goals alone can be a really, really huge motivator and really shift your mood in a positive way. So sometimes people will have a career where it could even be fulfilling. It could not. But just adding a passion project really does huge things for change. I’ve had a client recently that started doing just coaching for their kids soccer team, and that alone shifted so much that we were able to terminate.

MARTIN: Yeah. Just giving of yourself to others. Right?

KIM: Yeah. So that’s really meaning and purpose, and it’s something they can be passionate about. So that’s why I take hobbies and passion projects really seriously with my clients, because we see such a shift in it.

MARTIN: Yeah. I’m thinking of a lot of women who end up, what’s the word? Washed up on the shore because their relationship unwound itself and they invested heavily into defining themselves as a partner in a relationship. Right. So I think you may have a whole bunch of tools to help people who find themselves in that sort of “I don’t know. I was a partner to this person, and I’m not. Who am I? What am I?” Right?

KIM: Yeah. Yeah. Their identity can be easily wrapped up into someone else, and that’s no fault of yours. That could just mean your schedule was so taken up that you didn’t, kind of explore. I call it a sample platter. You’re not always going to think, especially if you’re depressed, you’re not always going to think everything sounds appealing to do that’s extracurricular. But actually just giving yourself a sample platter, you’re committing to trying one new thing every week or a couple things every week, whether that’s a Reiki class or a yoga class or martial arts, these things are incredible for connection, meaning and purpose and activity.

And that’s why one thing, one little shift can really help with contentment and get you to remember who you are, explore who you are, build on your identity, and that is organically taking you away from ruminating simply on that other person.

MARTIN: Yeah. I really like the idea of committing to sampling.

KIM: Yeah. Committing to sampling. Yes. People think, I don’t like that idea. But sometimes they haven’t even made a list, like a brainstorming list of things they’ve never done, their friends doing that maybe they thought was cool. Learning an instrument, a language. I mean, just making a list of that and committing to trying one class for everything.

And there are a lot of free activities, too. It doesn’t have to be expensive, but those type of things start rebuilding your identity when you’ve lost it and when you’ve had that self esteem kick. And then organically, you’re going to be able to heal better from a breakup or tolerate a relationship better, because the focus is more on yourself. And you have to remember, too, is that you’re more attractive in a relationship when you’re going for your own goals and you have these interests. That’s why they were probably attracted to you in the first place. So whether you’re on a team or you’re in a relationship, you really want to be careful on self-neglect because that’s what’s going to make you feel resentful. They’re not going to be so attracted, and the mood’s going to be shifted.

KIM: It’s going to be off. And then we shouldn’t have to have a breakup just to find ourselves. I really encourage that within a relationship. And if the other person isn’t encouraging self expansion, then you want to hold your boundary and just say, well, I have to make time for this. This is really like.

MARTIN: I guess you need to come to the realization whether you’re in a relationship that you want to fight to save or are going to be so much better off getting out of.

KIM: Yeah. And the other thing is this, you want to also be cognizant of encouraging your partner’s self-expansion. So even if you feel jealous or you’re worried that they’re going to meet people, no. They’re going to be more resentful and more depressed within the relationship if they’re not getting out and trying new things. So I know it sounds simplistic, but sometimes it’s hard to get out of that routine of just coming home to your partner and doing nothing else. But that’s really the remedy to a lot of depression, a lot of relationship issues, and a lot of self esteem issues.

MARTIN: Yeah, I’ve seen that in a lot of our clients. Because they arrive at the end of children in the house. Right. Kids are the emptiness syndrome, where all of us, you’re looking around and say, now what?

KIM: Yeah, that’s right. I’m glad you brought that up. I wanted to bring that up earlier. That’s very good. So you’re losing your identity because your identity was really attached to parenting. And once you feel like you’re not needed anymore, that’s when you want to rebuild. I really want to just emphasize that sample platter because we think, like, okay, like, I have to just go back to my old hobbies or I have to go to the gym. It can look a lot different than that.

It can look like different classes every day. It can be colorful. It can be things that are in nature. It could be water sports. I mean, you really want to be creative with what you want to do because we don’t want to make more work for you. Building your identity should be fun and pleasurable. And social exercise, everything that you’re leaning into at this point in your life would want to be pleasurable. That way it’s sustained.

KIM: It actually has the motivation intrinsically to keep going for it. So being playful, thinking about things you’d want to do on vacation, you can do those things when you’re at home. We just get in that mindset that we’re only going to do water sports or parasailing or hiking on vacation. No, that stuff, if you build it into your life, it is remarkably impactful.

MARTIN: Yeah, that’s really interesting because, yes, when we put ourselves into a new environment, we have new perceptions and we see ourselves differently. And many avenues seem to open up and usually do that by traveling. But you can do that locally just by going into a new setting. Right?

KIM: Big time. Big time. You get new hobbies and interests. That way you can inspire your partner, too. And then most people know this, but when you’re doing novel activities with your partner, meaning new activities or someone you’re just dating, you’re more likely to have more dopamine and be more attracted to them when you’re doing new things together. So novel activities, different restaurants, different places, different activities, those adventures are going to make them more attracted to you because they’re novel. So we have to be careful not to stay in a routine too much. It really can be very dangerous.

MARTIN: Yeah, you’re so right on that one.

KIM: So there are. Obviously, we wanted to talk about some darker traits of people. And a lot of people can hold darker traits when it comes to personality disorders or,

MARTIN: Yeah, yeah. You want to definitely evaluate whether you’re in the right relationship or not, right? You should probably make a list. Kim, why don’t you just start the list? If you hit this, this, this and this. You might want to try something else.

KIM: Yeah. I think to piggyback on the trait of having a partner that’s not into you self expanding, because maybe they are possessive or insecure or worried or even just codependent. You want to look at that if they’re isolating you too much. But I will say this. Even if they’re possessive and jealous and all of that, don’t think, don’t fall into the trap that they’re going to be attracted to you just because you stay home all day and do everything they say. No, just because they say they want that, truly, even with people like that, they’re still wanting you to be your own person.

And that’s one of the dangerous things, is just letting that, allowing that isolation to happen and being influenced to isolate to please a partner. And it can be little things. It can be like them just complaining. Why do you have to be gone another hour? You really have to not feel bad about it, as hard as that is. But once that isolation starts, you become more vulnerable to feeling less attractive, losing yourself, and not having as much support system on the outside if something does fall apart.

MARTIN: Yeah.

KIM: Yeah.

MARTIN: Good. Okay, so let’s just go psychologist. What is the so called dark triad?

KIM: Right, the dark triad. This is really when it comes to personality traits that can be on the darker side, things that can affect other people. So interpersonally, they might affect you in a negative way. So you want to be really aware of these things. So there’s a dark triad. And the triad involves three different categories. One is sociopathy, another one is machiavellianism, and another one is narcissism. So narcissism, there can be kind of some grandiosity, thinking that they’re better than others.

Deep down below, they might feel like they’re not as good as others, so they overcompensate by being grandiose and feeling like they’re better than others. They might put people down, being too self-involved. Sociopathy, psychopathy. More on the psychopathy. With the dark triad, it involves impulsivity. So doing things without thinking, risk taking, lack of regard for other people, it’s all about them and what they can get out, and then machiavellianism on that triad. That other category is really about manipulation. So, there are certain things that people do, interestingly enough, like people that ghost other people.

Studies show that they might be more apt to be on that dark triad. It could just be someone that’s very avoidant also. So you have to be careful. They could be avoided or they could have one of those dark triad traits, but you want to look for empathy, you know, and the superficial charm, that’s not enough that just because someone’s charming, that doesn’t mean they have empathy. So I think really trying to dig into what people’s values are what they’re,

MARTIN: That’s a really good one. Once you can fake sincerity, you really got it made.

KIM: That’s true. And usually people get sloppy with that because they kind of almost want the truth to come out when they have the dark triad. The key really is to not ignore those signs of manipulation, self centeredness, lack of regard for others. If you hear that they’re saying things that you would never say, that’s a little red flag for you. Really think about and journal things that are red flags for you. Is that aligned with your value system? Is that something you would say? Is that something you would want your family members to hear? Because you don’t want to be keeping secrets like this. And if they’re leaking out some dark traits, it could affect you very badly in the long run.

MARTIN: Yeah.

KIM: Yeah, go ahead.

MARTIN: I read a study about the psychological traits and differences between criminals and CEO’s of large companies and that they were very close with the single difference that the criminals had no compunction to do violence or to just do brutal, ugly things.

KIM: Oh, the CEO’s?

MARTIN: No, the criminals would project personal violence, whereas the CEO’s had the same personality but had the brakes on that.

KIM: Exactly. Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. And these people like they can get ahead in life very well. Some of these traits make them very successful. There’s certain categories of professions, they’re more likely to be that. But yes, CEO’s are one of them. So they can use manipulation tactics. They feel like they’re normal. They don’t feel like a lot of times they might have to fake empathy because they know that that’s normative. But for the most part, they think it’s normal to try to play a game to win.

MARTIN: When you have a long game, when you’re thinking, say five year, ten year horizon, when you’re building something big, you have to manipulate. No, you don’t have to. But you get to thinking that you should manipulate your way through the environment and move the chess pieces in such way so that the goal is met.

KIM: Right. When you look at you know, and that those people can be very fun, very exciting, very stimulating. So they can be pretty hard to get away from it. If you’re in a romantic relationship, there could be a lot of benefits. Like this person might be really mentally stimulating, very smart, very successful, very adventurous. If they’re impulsive, they’re going to be doing different things all the time. And like we talked about before, new adventures and exciting things are going to make you more in love, more stimulated. It can be hard to get away.

KIM: But I think that what’s important is to, like I said before, journal about the things that really look like red flags and review those journals. And then you want to think about, project into the future more. Unfortunately, when you’re with someone that’s throwing these red flags, you’re going to have to think about the future more. And that means, that does mean worrying. It does mean thinking about if you got sick, if you were vulnerable, if you were older, what kind of person do you want around you? It could feel very cold and very alone, very lonely and very cold. If you’re with someone that doesn’t have regard for other people, that is more manipulative. So if you’re more of a person that lives in the moment and isn’t worried about the future, it’s not so scary.

But if you’re someone that you really want to plan for the future and be around, someone that has more of a nurturing side, you want to try not to be in denial, and that can be really hard.

MARTIN: Yeah. Yeah. I guess, to put it simply, is that when you’re young, it’s easy because you have all the attractions for the other. For the partner.

KIM: Yeah.

MARTIN: But will they be there for you when that youth layer goes away?

KIM: That’s right. I think that. I love that you brought that up because I do think a lot of times in process with my clients. Okay, so they’re physically your type. Okay, so you have a lot of fun with them. Okay, so what happens when we’re stripped away from the fun or the looks? What are you going to be left with? And you really want to sit with that, to see what kind of partner you need for your future.

MARTIN: Yeah, I see that especially difficult for women because some men will develop finance, power, status, whatever. They can end up with arm ornaments, as they call them. They can just keep changing them because they can hoard them, right?

KIM: Yes, absolutely. So you’re talking about so a woman that’s being left by a man for a younger woman.

MARTIN: Sure.

KIM: Yeah, that does happen. And so again, that’s why we want to look at people with really, really strong value systems if you have that as well, and people that have a really high empathy level, because research also shows that relationships stay together when people have high empathy. So that means we really care about others feelings because our interests in other people, they wane, they vary. Like one month, one month or one year, you could be really into your partner. The next year, you could really just feel checked out. Now, that year that you’re checked out, that could change the next year. So the year you’re checked out, if you have empathy for the other person, you’re going to be more likely to try to work it through. Find yourself again, find ways to be into the partner again.

Do you see how empathy is so important for sustaining a relationship? Because interest can wane, big time. Depending on what we’re going through in life, how we’re treating ourselves, if we’re doing our self care, if we’re not. And people change, too. Why should it have to take a breakup for you to get in shape? We don’t want to lose ourselves. We don’t want to lose ourselves while we’re in it. Because a partner is going to get, someone else is going to get a better version of you. When you still love that partner within the relationship, you really want that for yourself.

MARTIN: Yeah. So, you want to work hard to keep what you’ve got because you spent a lot of energy building whatever you have.

KIM: Yeah. And I think it’s true, like with women, I do notice that they’ll feel: “Well, I should just be loved unconditionally.” And I get that. But I do see with my male clients, they are very visual. It’s just something that’s just kind of in them. They’re very visual.

MARTIN: There’s statistics to that. I think it’s about 60% of people are visual, 30% auditory and 10% kinesthetic or something like that.

KIM: Yeah.

MARTIN: I don’t remember off the top of my mind.

KIM: I just know that the majority of my clients, one of the issues they run into is that they can get tempted with different looks and they are very visual and they don’t like it about themselves all the time. They don’t. It’s not that they love that. It’s not that they want to feel pulled in different directions. So that’s it. That doesn’t mean they don’t have empathy, and it doesn’t mean that they don’t love you because you’re not the preferred.

MARTIN: I guess you don’t want to have the relationship built on the looks because that’ll go away. Both sides.

KIM: That’s true. That will go away. And that’s, again, why we talk about wanting someone that has great values and good and a lot of empathy, which is not easy. But if you want to find that, then that would mean not necessarily committing to the first person you date, and a lot of women do that, too.

MARTIN: Okay.

KIM: This guy’s giving me attention. So now I’m going to jump in and be loyal. You’re being loyal to someone you don’t even know anything about. So actually playing the numbers game, as long as you’re going according to your value system with what you’re doing on these dates. Right. Playing the numbers game and dating more, but dating with intention and integrity, that can be better for you because then you can actually assess what their personality is, what their value system is, and not. You don’t have to just be loyal to first person that you’re dating. I think it’s really unfortunate.

Like, it’s great for men that they want to, but a lot of these women, particularly with your audience, with the demographic, with your audience, people will get into it where they just start falling and they don’t even assess their personality, unfortunately. Especially if there’s love bombing, a lot of messaging, it’s hard. It’s hard to not fall quickly.

MARTIN: I watched that. That is amazing how you can completely break somebody’s defenses. I was working in an office, and I watched one guy go after one specific co worker. He would just, I mean, this is before texting, he would shower her with stuff.

KIM: Yeah.

MARTIN: Just arrive over and over and over. And she was confiding in me, saying, I don’t like the guy. What am I to do? Relentless.

KIM: Relentless. And that for some people can be really attractive. It depends on the woman. But some people will do so much love bombing. They’re really good at it. And, to go from barely any attention within a relationship or with being single and just working a lot or attending to your kids and not being used to that, that can be highly dopaminergically satisfying. So it’s like being on a drug.

Yeah. Especially if they fall off one day and stop doing it as much. Now you’re like, where is this? Where’s my high? And now you get more addicted.

MARTIN: Where’s my like button?

KIM: Exactly. So the most dangerous thing is to have a lot of attention. Then it leans a little bit, then it goes back, and now it varies. So now it’s almost like you’re a gambling addict, right?

MARTIN: Yeah. You keep pushing the button, hoping to win.

KIM: That’s why gambling is so addictive, because it varies so much. So you get a really high spike and then it’s here and there, here and there. Random. And that’s the most addicting type of behavioral addiction or substance addiction, you don’t know when you’re going to get that high and usually that’s with something like gambling and love.

MARTIN: So let’s explain how you actually work with people. When somebody comes to you, what sort of circumstance do you get people in and how do you work with it? Like, what should they expect when they go to your website? By the way, what is your website?

KIM: https://doctorkimchronister.com/

MARTIN: So the doctor is spelled out all six letters?

KIM: Yeah.

MARTIN: All right.

KIM: So yes, they come to me. Well, we’re going to do exploration. It only takes about one or two sessions to figure out what the direction really should be. I do like to find out if they’ve been in therapy before. That’s kind of the first thing I do. What worked, what didn’t work. So across the board lately, I’ve been finding out that people are liking more direct feedback and I definitely have that style if that’s what’s needed. Because of my treatment experience with substance abusers, they prefer that direct treatment and the evidence based treatment.

So if you need direct feedback, then I know that, then I know that’s kind of how we’re going to go. If you need more homework, we’re going to go in that direction. If you want to process the past and trauma, obviously I have the skills for that. But typically we try to get you more grounded at first with cognitive therapy, dialectical behavioral therapy, and motivational interviewing to get you in a really good place first. That’s kind of my style. I’m very strength based. Try to see what’s working more than what’s not working and then add. If you look at like someone that I’ll give an example of, I had a retired NFL player come in and he felt very lost because he got an injury and he no longer could work the job of his dreams. Right.

MARTIN: So he was 30 something or,

KIM: Yeah, he was late thirties. And after an injury he came in because he was abusing pain pills and he really lost his identity. And his schedule was what? There was barely anything on his schedule. Right. I mean, now he’s just got a totally different life. And he started becoming very co-dependent with his family, which, that’s fine to a certain extent, but he was really losing himself. So first things first, we actually developed a Google calendar and started filling it up with things that he might just be willing to try. And it ended up being where he was actually really into meditation. He was really into reading. I mean, he just put everything on that Google calendar.

MARTIN: All right.

KIM: Yeah. By the time he left treatment, he had a full Google calendar of what to expect throughout the day, set intentions in the morning, yoga, stretching. He had his workouts, but his workouts were varied, so he wouldn’t get bored. He started working on a new business. So part of that, every day, he’d be working on that business. I’m not too extreme, but just enough. And then reading, reflection at night, just everything was on there.

MARTIN: So you actually put it on the schedule. On a Google calendar, you would get a beep, beep. Do this. Yeah?

KIM: Yeah. And you’d be surprised. It seems so simplistic, but rebuilding your life, having a visual of it there, too. And then what happens? We have new passion activities on that calendar. You slowly start rebuilding your identity. It’s like you have new passions, new interests, new activities, and you don’t feel bad about it because guess what? Do you think your family wants you to abuse pain pills, or do you think they want you to have new activities and be gone a little bit more? Obviously, they’d want you to be gone a little more and have your passionate activities. So people have to realize this can be life or death. Whether you go to the gym or you have passionate activities or you don’t, it can be life or death, and it can be marriage for long term or divorce.

And that’s why we have, and it could be depression and it could be happiness. So that’s why we take this very seriously. Passions and meeting a purpose, activities and connection, make sure that we’re not isolating.

MARTIN: That’s great. Yeah. Good. Good example.

KIM: Yeah. So then, sometimes people are going back into dating, and I like it when they want to take their time to kind of rebuild themselves first because they’re going on dates, and all of a sudden they’re more attractive because they have so many things they’re excited about. And you’re not supposed to be excited at first. You’re actually just supposed to be open and doing your sample platter. Right. And then, so once you get to the point where something you blow them off is something different.

MARTIN: Yeah.

KIM: Oh, you’re just lit up when you go on these dates.

MARTIN: So much, so much better when you sit there saying, I don’t really need you. But tell me about yourself, it’s so much better.

KIM: And then, yeah, you’re not. So you’re not glomming on to someone that could be an abuser, we don’t even know because you don’t need them as much. It’s more like you’re filled up inside and then if you do match, then you’re both adding value to each other and people are more attuned than you think. They really know when you feel secure and you feel filled up inside and then they get excited because it’s like they know that you’re a challenge. You like them because you like them, not because you need them.

MARTIN: Yeah. I was thinking I should have asked you this much earlier, but I don’t know if everybody who’s listening to this knows the difference between psychology and psychiatry.

KIM: Oh, yeah. People commonly misunderstand. So I’m a psychologist, so I’m doctoral level therapist. Basically, a psychiatrist has to go to medical school and they do prescribe medications. Clinical psychologists like myself in a few states are allowed to prescribe. They just do a little bit extra schooling. I believe New Mexico is one of them.

So, yeah, psychiatrists typically do meds, psychologists do therapy, and they’re the highest level as far as education for therapy.

MARTIN: Right on.

KIM: But there’s all kinds of amazing therapists that do marriage, family therapy, MFT’s, social workers that I’ve worked with. Incredible. They’re different styles, very stimulating.

MARTIN: These are skills that are developed. I mean, you can school about it, but you need to actually practice it because being good at being a good therapist is not something that you can pick up just by reading a book. You need to practice it.

KIM: Yeah, yeah. And I think the most important thing is, fit is very important that we know from research. But just having empathy, like most therapists I’ve worked with have a lot of empathy and they know that they should make it about the client, not themselves. Yeah. And sometimes that’s hard to do for certain people, but if that’s the case and then you feel like it’s a fit. And by the way, you can shop for therapists, you can have three on the phone and see which one you’re fit with before you jump in. You’re definitely allowed to shop and just get a little consultation to see if there’s a fit on the phone. And people forget they can because fit is so important, and then that’s called rapport. And then the next thing is important is their style, their intervention.

Maybe you like someone that just sits back and listens all the time and only gives you feedback every few sessions. Or maybe you like someone very animated or very directive in their approach or someone that really is clinical and srict about their homework, and they put you on a regimen. Only you know what’s going to work for you. Or maybe you just try it out. And also you can tell your therapist what you want, because usually we can kind of be chameleons and fit your style because we’ve seen so much.

MARTIN: Right, good. So do you have any examples with some female clients that you had worked with lately?

KIM: I do. So I have one client recently. I’m extremely successful. In an urban are, urban city. I don’t want to say too much, but urban city, very successful. Cultural background, a little bit more strict. A lot of pressure to get married. Wasn’t having an easy time with dating. And this is a beautiful, successful woman. So I think this is good that we’re bringing this up. Beautiful, successful woman was on the dating apps quite a while, a couple of,

MARTIN: Years, and still not landing anything useful.

KIM: Recently had a boyfriend. Over thought it though. The whole time was doing a lot of overthinking. Is this person serious? Do they want marriage? Do they not? And instead of asking questions, she actually just tried to keep the peace in her head, right? So she wasn’t asking questions. And looking back, she’s saying, I wish I would have. I wasn’t working with her at the time, but she’s wishing that she would have asked more questions so she wouldn’t just be ruminating, worrying all the time.

So it’s okay to ask what their intentions are,  what they see their future is. If that’s pressure, then there’s someone else that wants to build a family sooner, you know? I think we are wasting time that way. Just because you have chemistry, you guys are fit,  people’s value systems, and what they see for their future are really important. So we can’t just be compatible.

MARTIN: Yeah. Where do you see yourself five years from now? Tell me. Right?

KIM: It’s okay to do that, especially unless you’re the person that’s in the moment and you don’t necessarily need kids or marriage, then fine, enjoy them. But if you do I think it’s better to ask questions because then you can enjoy the moment more and know what you’re dealing with.

MARTIN: Right.

KIM: Yeah.

MARTIN: And so. So how did you work with this lady?

KIM: Just finding levity because overthinking was one of her biggest challenges. And there’s something called cognitive behavioral therapy, where you do some homework on reframing your thoughts. But interestingly enough, if someone’s on the more neurotic side or, like, more serious or rigid side, and they judge themselves or even others a lot, I notice,

MARTIN: Perfectionist in some way, right?

KIM: Yeah. Very perfectionistic. I notice that using a little humor about it, taking ourselves out of it, looking at the thoughts separately from the person, they can see how it’s not really working for them and how it is a bit irrational. Right. So there’s a lot of levity when I work with people that are very rigid in their thinking or judgmental. Get you to loosen up more about yourself, about life, think about the things that actually matter, because there’s a lot of time wasted with these worry thoughts. We’re stealing our joy when we do that. And sometimes it’s because you’re very intellectual and your brain just wants to keep working, and that’s fine.

But there’s other things. We could be playing with more passion projects or more educational videos on YouTube or feed your brain rather than worry because. Or be very solution focused.

MARTIN: I found imagining the worst possible outcome. So you’re concerned about this? Well, let’s take it all the way to its most absurd possible way. What could really happen?

KIM: What’s the worst that happens?

MARTIN: How bad could it get? Oh, nobody died. We’re fine.

KIM: Nobody died. Exactly. It can be even just radical acceptance. I know that I don’t have control over the situation. I’m just going to radically accept and be in the moment and control the things I can control and enjoy the moment with other things. And this person in particular would not feel pleasure in looking forward to things because there was so much worrying and catastrophizing. If you’re not looking forward to dates, how are you enjoying this relationship? There’s a lot of other components to a relationship, especially long term, but for her.

MARTIN: You know what’s funny? I just see the nutritional Metabolic Typing component to this.

KIM: Right. Okay.

MARTIN: This person is stuck in being overly acidic, overly fight flight. She needs to find her parasympathizing nutrition and eat more of that, which will make her more relaxed. It’s actually modifiable with food.

KIM: I love that so much. Yeah. The brain chemistry for her and playing with food would be remarkable. And then what we recently did was we really got her to find ways to feel stimulated while being in the moment. Because a lot of times, people that are easily bored won’t want to meditate. Right. So there’s ways to meditate without just sitting there. You can actually be working out and be meditating, because if you’re just in the moment.

MARTIN: Yep. Wash, dish.

KIM: All your senses. Yeah. What does it smell like? What are you seeing? What does it feel like in your body? How’s the air hitting you? Really taking deep breaths? That’s being in the moment. That’s a mindful exercise. You could do that in a sauna, steam room, working out, mindful walks, being in the garden, and just gauging all your senses. But, yes, you’re right. Her just calming down and just being grounded in the moment rather than the future really helps her a lot. So that and humor about the rational thinking and really just realizing that she needs to ask more questions and really figure out what’s what. If she wants to be a scientist about the relationship, she can, but you can’t do that on your own, in your brain.

MARTIN:  I think it’s destructive, really.

KIM: Yeah. Yeah. And then you sell, you sabotage the relationship because any little thing they do wrong, you’re like, well, this isn’t going to work. They don’t even know what you’re worried about to begin with. Yeah, they don’t. And so she didn’t give the tools to the guy to know how to treat her.

MARTIN: Okay, so that was a fail. Right?

KIM: She owned it. She knew what she didn’t do right.

MARTIN: But the relationship was a fail.

KIM Yeah, no, it didn’t work out. No, she could make it work if she wanted to, but it ended up being long distance, so.

MARTIN: Yeah, yeah.

KIM: But it’s good to know a gorgeous, successful woman was on the apps for a while and finally got a hit in a really good way for material. It’s just that she didn’t know where it was going because she never asked.

MARTIN: Okay. Yeah. All right, so what else can we tell the world that they should learn or know about psychology and doctor Kim Chronister?  This is the world’s opportunity to, I don’t know who’s going to click on this and take time to listen, but let’s just tell them the best of you.

KIM: I think that because connection is so important, I think it’s important to just foster the ones that are really working for you. If someone’s giving you energy, rather than pulling, I think to text them more, to call them more. If you’re going to feel like that support system, don’t be hesitant, whether you’re a guy or a girl, to actually reach out more often.

MARTIN: I remember being a young man before I got married. I was so worried. I was so afraid to step out and just say: “Hey, look, I like you. Can we talk?” I couldn’t dream of doing that. Right? And then, of course, after I got married, I stopped looking. But it couldn’t be easier than anything to just say, hey, you want to have a cup of coffee? Right?

KIM: That’s right. And that. Yeah. And that goes for guys and girls. Like, why can’t you just try to form a friendship first and get to know someone? That way you’re avoiding potentially dealing with people that are in the dark triad or that are more selfish or don’t have your values. And then they might know someone that that might be more of a fit for you. So a big part of dating and connection and happiness, because connection, whether that’s friendship, family, or dating, is a huge component of contentment.

So if you can get yourself an environment, whether it’s like a meetup group or a new class in the gym or a class, an educational class, a writing class, and you’re starting to ask these questions,, they might go and have coffee with you. They’re new, too, to the class, probably. So you think it’s hard, but little by little, you just do it and just let yourself be uncomfortable. I just think it’s huge. Just kind of expand your circle, because sometimes you’ll find that you have a friend circle that’s just not doing it for you anymore. And that’s normative, by the way. It’s normative to revive your friendship circles. And you want that, whether you’re in a relationship or not.

MARTIN: Go to a different church, so to speak.

KIM: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

MARTIN: Or even really a different church.

KIM: And I want to add the meaning purpose thing with that, it also applies to a sample platter. So you think about all the things you’ve wanted to do in life that you haven’t done, and you just take little baby steps toward it. Maybe you wanted to write a book and what would you do for that? Maybe you’re going to write, you’re going to watch YouTube videos about that. Or you want a new career, then you’d want to watch TikTok or YouTube videos about a day in the life of that career. Or maybe you’re at a desk job and you’re like, okay, I want to do a job where I’m walking and in nature. Then Google that and just start making brainstorming lists.

And don’t be forced to commit to anything. Just literally sample it. Whether it’s watching videos or talking to people that do the job or the volunteering or that hobby, really be playful with your life. Again, people are not playful with their lives. And positive psychology shows us that the more playful we are, the happier we are.

MARTIN: Yeah. The thing that really hit me the most in this conversation was this Smorgasbord idea. The saying yes to ideas. I remember already,  mean, I’m fairly old now. That the regrets I have are things I’ve not done. I can get over myself doing something that I shouldn’t have done. I can get over that, but I’m having a real hard time reconciling with the things I’ve not done.

KIM: Not done. Yes. That is poignant. That is huge and significant.

MARTIN: Yeah, yeah.

KIM: I’m really glad you said that. What we haven’t done. So having sample platters and being adventurous, it’s a win win with relationships and as individuals.

MARTIN: Yeah. What I see here is that whether you are already in a relationship or not, start doing new things. Expand your life because you’ll be more attractive to the person you’re with or you’ll attract the one you should be with.

KIM: That’s right. And you’d be surprised what people like. I have a client that’s like, hey, will you do yoga? And he’s like, oh, I have an app for that at my house. And he starts doing it, and now his life feels a little bit more easy breezy because there’s a calming activity. You don’t assume that you won’t like something. You might actually enjoy it. Yeah, it could be huge. And then you get excited about it. You start talking about other people, and that’s contagious. It’s hard to try new things, but it’s really, really beautiful on the other side of it.

MARTIN: Well, I guess that’s about that for today.

KIM: It’s great talking to you.

MARTIN: It’s a real pleasure. So go look at DoctorKimChronister.com, you’ll see it in the show notes, so you don’t have to spell it out. Thank you so much, Kim, for taking the time to share your wisdom. And until next time, thank you so much. This is Martin Pytela, life-enthusiast.com. If you want to phone, it’s 866-54-3388 thank you, Kim.

KIM: Thank you.

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In this Life Enthusiast podcast episode, Martin Pytela speaks with Patrick Buehl, CEO of Enzyme Experts, formerly known as Generation Plus, about serrapeptase, an enzyme known for its anti-inflammatory and healing properties. Patrick, who developed a range of enzyme-based health products, shares his journey about creating high-quality products that address modern health challenges like inflammation and scar tissue. Martin and Patrick share numerous success stories that highlight the transformative impact of these innovative solutions.

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MARTIN: Hi, everyone. Martin Pytela here for Life Enthusiast podcast. Today, it’s my honor and a pleasure to be talking to someone I’ve known for over 20 years, Patrick Buehl, a formulator of enzymes, CEO of Enzyme Experts, and also inventor of other brands. Patrick, hi!

PATRICK: Hi, Martin. How are you today? Thanks for having me.

MARTIN: Oh, cheerful. You know, talking to old friends is a good thing.

PATRICK: Yes, absolutely.

MARTIN: Today, I feel we have a mission to make people supremely aware of serrapeptase, why they need it, how they need it, and why your product is actually better than the rest of them out there. But before we get to that, I would like to say, well, so I’ve known you for over 20 years. Could you talk about some early days when you were inventing enzymes? How did you get into this?

PATRICK: Well, I’ll make a quick story of that. I pull my earlier interest and knowledge about enzymes from growing up in a feed store. From the tender age of 10. For 18 years, I found out what it really meant to catalyze events and to help animals properly assimilate the foods they consume into their most usable forms. And fast forward a couple years later, I was given the opportunity to manage the sales for the world’s very first systemic enzyme product, and I saw some flaws immediately in that formula. Everything was animal drive. They operated a much narrower pH and temperature range. I offered a vegetarian alternative. The company didn’t want that, so I began formulating products on our own, and that’s how serrapeptase and all of our other products were born.

MARTIN: Awesome. Well, there’s a ton of research on serrapeptase itself, right?

PATRICK: Yes. Serrapeptase is loaded with research. It’s derived from the enterobacterium Serratia E-15, and it’s been produced, Martin, and the reason we use it is to mimic the enzyme that silkworms use to escape the cocoon. So it has a number of different effects.

MARTIN: Yeah, actually, remembering silk, I mean, it’s stronger than steel. Weight for weight, right?

PATRICK: Yes, absolutely. Nature has developed something that we borrowed from to help the body recover from things like inflammation and scar tissue and just generally clean the whole human system up and help it heal itself.

MARTIN: I’m thinking of the word fibrinolytic, as in dissolves fibrin. Fibrin being the scar tissue. I have so many stories from customers and friends and myself using this to deal with injuries and what not. But let’s put some science ahead of it first. Yeah?

PATRICK: Yeah. Well, there’s a ton of clinical evidence that involves Serrapeptase. I want to throw a personal experience in, real quick as well.

MARTIN: Sure.

PATRICK: And this kind of turns the science into a personal story for me. It was about 15 years ago, I was diagnosed with nine massive pulmonary embolisms, and the medical community’s answer to that was to put me in ICU right away and load me up with anticoagulants, which western medicine likes to refer to as blood thinners.

MARTIN: Is it like Heparin or something like that?

PATRICK: Heparin or Warfarin. The talk was, yeah, listen, you’re going to need to be on Warfarin for the rest of your life. And I mentioned briefly about my growing up in a feed store and farmers and that type of thing. Well, Warfarin was the active ingredient in those days in rat bait, and that’s what we used to use.

MARTIN: Still, it’s interesting, Patrick, I just want to stop on this point. A farmer will spend money on learning how to feed his animals so they perform better, right. So they will actually fine tune the feed to get performance, whatever they target.

PATRICK: Yeah, super important. And that happens. That happens unfortunately, not as much as it should with human beings. Our system’s not set up for cures. It’s set up for spending more money. We treat our animals a lot better than we treat ourselves, and that’s one of the platforms that I developed this brand on, is making sure that we’re providing answers to modern day health challenges. And those have changed, Martin, over a couple decades, the modern day health challenges have certainly changed and evolved, and we just try to stay on top of that with products like Serralone that contains serrapeptase. That’s the only enzyme in Serralone.

MARTIN: You’ve made some pretty complex products, too, right? Where the serrapeptase perhaps provides some of the lifting weight or some of the main lifting power. But,

PATRICK: It does. Serrapeptase is defined as a proteolytic enzyme, Martin. So it will help break down anomalous proteins all throughout the entire human system. It will not, however, degrade any live tissue. It works on dead cellular material and proteins that just should not be in the system, and that’s what makes it so effective. So it is a cornerstone in a couple of our product formulas like Naticor and Zymitol. But as a standalone, it’s an incredible ingredient and product to help people rid their system of inflammation.

MARTIN: All right, so let’s talk about the specifics. So there you were with pulmonary embolisms. And?

PATRICK: Well, so I used serrapeptase. I used Serralone. We had loads of anecdotal evidence, Martin, all over the place and clinical evidence to support that it could help break these clots down. What we didn’t expect however, on the third day, the hospital tagged me AMA or “Against Medical Advice” because I refused anticoagulants or blood thinners. I knew we had the cure right in our hands, and Serralone was one of those. And what had happened was on the third day, they wanted in ICU, they wanted to do a CAT scan with contrast to show me that I was probably going to meet my demise right there in the hospital if I didn’t take action with anticoagulants fast.

PATRICK: Martin the only thing that they learned was this, that on the third day, those nine massive clots that were blocking four quadrants in my pulmonary system were already 75% degraded. And following that, the next day, I was released. In a two-week follow-up, I had 100% clearance, Martin, with no pharmaceuticals whatsoever. They touted me as a medical miracle. And I know what the miracle was. It was the awareness that natural products do the healing and help your body recover and heal on its own.

MARTIN: Yeah. But I remember this friend of mine who at age 55, was told, you have emphysema. He was having trouble. I mean, two flights upstairs, he had to stop after two flights of stairs, let’s put it this way. And went to the doctor, was told that he had emphysema and to expect that in one year he’ll be dragging an oxygen bottle around because it’s going to be a quick trip to hell. And he was using Zymitol, which is primarily serrapeptase. And the next year, instead, he was skiing with people half his age in the Alps.

PATRICK: Yeah, thank goodness. Thank goodness, and I’m glad. I love to hear stories like that, Martin.

MARTIN: And I remember there were multiple doctors using your products, writing all these testimonials. Louise Hamilton was one of them, right? Remember?

PATRICK: Yes. We’ve had just so many different testimonials come in. Another remarkable one that comes to mind is a gentleman from Kenosha, Wisconsin, that had a blocked right carotid artery. He was due for surgery in three days, a colleague recommended he call us, and I had the opportunity to speak with him, and here’s a guy that wouldn’t, he absolutely refused to believe that anything outside of Western medicine could help him. But his friend convinced him to speak to me. He bought into the protocol and said, listen, it can’t hurt.

The surgery was to take arteries out of his leg and replace the blocked arteries and his carotid. And it’s a risky surgery, and the percentages are high that something could go wrong. He took the product for three weeks, went in for his pre-op check and imagery, only to learn that 98% blockage was reduced to a 6, to a 13%, which is normal for any adult. No longer a candidate for surgery. Took him right off the surgery list. So that cardiologist started recommending the same protocol for all his surgery patients and candidates. 50 patients in a row no longer needed surgery because of this.

MARTIN: Yeah, this poor surgeon was putting himself out of business.

PATRICK: Yeah. And thankfully, there are open minded individuals like him that really put the emphasis on patient care instead of a status quo.

MARTIN: And so what dosage would this guy take?

PATRICK: Well, so with these enzymes, depending. So what he took, he was up to, so serrapeptase in Serralone, 48,000 units of activity level per capsule. He was taking ten capsules three times a day for two weeks. We started off at one capsule three times a day, Martin, and each, every fourth day, increased it by one TID (Three times a day) till we hit ten, and we remain there for two weeks.

MARTIN: Yeah. That’s awesome. And, yeah, there’s actually, you just threw in the number. That’s kind of interesting about enzymes and serrapeptase, too, where you actually need to understand how many units you’re getting in a capsule, because I remember I can buy serrapeptase that’s 10,000 units per milligram or 100,000 units per milligram or numbers like that. Right?

PATRICK: Right. I think what a lot of companies like to do, and I’m familiar with just about every single one of them. Prior to our initial work, Martin, there really wasn’t a good vegetarian alternative to that very first product. And now the landscape has a lot of options. The one thing that people should pay attention to, as you’re mentioning, is activity level. If you have 100 grams of serrapeptase and it only has one unit of activity level per gram, it’s not going to do the justice you need. But higher activity levels, 48,000 units of activity per capsular doses, is really going to get you where you need to be. So that’s what you can look out for, is activity level and proper disclosure of that on the label.

MARTIN: Right. Yeah. Some companies just say, I’m sending you 200 milligrams of Serrapeptase per capsule.

PATRICK: Which may not have any,

MARTIN: Yeah, that’s sort of like saying I’m sending you a gallon of water without telling you how many minerals are in that water.

PATRICK: Right, right. Is it acidic water? Is it pH stable? Is it alkaline water? Sure. You’re going to have some questions, right? I think the same can be said for any type of supplement or complementary or integrated products we want to take. What I learned a long time ago is I wanted this company to be a lot more than a company that sells products. We’ve really gotten pretty good and resourceful at educating the people that we serve, and it brings us great joy to be able to do that and then find all these incredible results that just keep coming in day after day.

MARTIN: Yeah. Okay, so here we are talking about Serralone, which is serrapeptase on its own. So if somebody is already on serrapeptase or a proteolytic enzyme, I guess Serralone would be the most affordable way to lift the enzymatic power, the lysing power. Right?

PATRICK: Yeah. This is probably right now the best value in serrapeptase at that activity level on the American market or anywhere on a global scale.

MARTIN: You’re so right. Because I remember I was thinking, well, am I with the right brand? So I started looking at prices, and a lot of companies cost exactly twice the amount per unit as compared to yours.

PATRICK: Yeah, I think you’re right. And a lot of that, listen, we weathered price increases and supply chain issues through the pandemic. We haven’t had a price increase in twelve years, Martin. So that puts us in a unique position to be able to offer these products at an incredible value.

MATRIN: Yeah. Okay, so what do we have here? Serralone is a serrapeptase of a known potency. But that’s not the whole story, right? Not only is it an enzyme, but you, I think, are the only company in the enzymes that I know of anyway, that actually does energetics or vibrationals with an infusion process, right?

PATRICK: Right. Yes, yes. Thanks for bringing that up. When we created our first product, when I formulated the first product, Zymitol, I had a conversation with a theoretical physicist, Doctor Yuri Krohn, and we talked about the ability of subtle energy to help improve the health challenges of anybody that they come in contact with. So in an agreement in partnership, that way, we created frequencies specific to each and every one of our formulas that would help them enhance the goal of why ever the formula was created in the first place. We did a little test. We sent a bunch of bottles out to people to test the infused product and the uninfused product, and by a landslide, without any doubt or hesitation, the infused product really captured more health challenges than the uninfused. And I was very confident, Martin, and the formulas to begin with, that they were the best in their class period at the time. But the subtle energy process took them to an entirely different and very distinct level of being able to heal people.

MARTIN: Yeah. It’s quite something, we are usually not aware of it, right? But the difference between a meal cooked by grandma with love and the fast food something, cooked by a pimple-faced teenager who just as soon be somewhere else. It’s quite remarkable just how much nicer it is to be eating food cooked with love. Yes, there goes the subtle vibration of just that, right? Just the reverence of the act of cooking with love. And here we have this technological equivalency, at least that’s how I think of it, where we are able to take the highest intention that we have for this product, put it into a vibrational frequency, and then beat it into it. Right?

PATRICK: That’s exactly what it is. I think that we’ve always tried to operate on three different pillars. One would be authenticity. We want to be authentic in everything that we do, but another one is love, if we can literally, or figuratively add love and authenticity to our products and everything that we do, and also gratitude for the ability to be able to help people. That’s what really makes this brand a lot stronger. We infuse that in the most literal method into the products with an energy chamber, which helps every single enzyme or every ingredient do its job a lot better. It’s kind of like maybe driving a car down the road and the road itself is the journey to better health. We’re going to want to be in that Lamborghini rather than a Ford Pinto to get to the end goal of perfect health. And that’s what the subtle energy does for us.

MARTIN Speaking of racing, it just came to my mind. There was this motocross champion in the Czech Republic and a friend of mine, I come from there, right? So I have a friend, and he contacted me and said, this fellow fell off his bike three weeks before the world championship and mangled his ankle. We sent him a bottle, a large bottle. I think he was on 30 capsules a day. The doctor told him there’s zero chance he’ll be functional in less than six weeks. This guy was on his bike in the world championship and won. Three weeks.

PATRICK: Wow, that’s an incredible story.

MARTIN: It’s just but witness to the possibility of speeding up healing.

PATRICK: Yes. I think a lot of times people get stuck in the belief that I am sick or I can’t get better or whatever the dilemma may be that’s challenging them from recovering fully. These products with the energy infusion help bridge that gap. I think, Martin, we all have the innate ability to heal ourselves within. It’s that inner light that connects us all full of healing energies and wisdom. If we can’t quite get there, our products and the energy infusion bridge that gap so you can still get to your goal without having to really be in that awareness completely. Think of it this way, without subtle energy, serrapeptase is already super powerful, but with the infusion, it’s like fine tuning the engine of that high performance car we were talking about. It just works better and faster for sure. And like you mentioned, it’s not something you’re going to see in any other typical enzyme formula. This sets Serralone apart from any other serrapeptase product on the market, period.

MARTIN: Yeah, I don’t know if there are studies to confirm it, but I remember this woman was buying 600 capsules a month from me. And so next time she called, like the third or fourth month or whatever, she called, and I said: “What are you doing with it?” And she says: “Well, I’m taking 600 a month.” And I said: “Well, what?” And she says: “Well, look, I’m in the entertainment industry, and this product is adding about ten years to my career.” Now, I don’t know what entertainment. I speculate she might have been a stripper or Las Vegas dancer or I don’t know what. But she was able to have the physical appearance and movement ability to keep up with people ten years younger.

PATRICK: Yeah, that’s incredible. I mean, just the base of enzymes, right? What do they do? What does any enzyme do? Enzymes catalyze every single event that makes any action fast enough to sustain human life. And it’s not just human life, we find them in every living thing. But by the time we reach our late twenties, Martin, our metabolic enzyme stores that we were gifted with at birth really deplete. So that’s when we begin to see the signs of aging, wounds start to heal slowly.

MARTIN: That’s why most professional football players, hockey players and whatever fade out by 33.

PATRICK: Absolutely. Your body just can’t keep up. Those actions are so slow that it really makes you age. Wounds heal slower. Injuries heal much slower, if at all, the older we get. When we supplement or reintegrate enzymes back into the system, it helps to speed all those reactions up to a level that creates healing and longevity. The original thought with this line was an anti aging line, and that’s always been the backbone of every single formula. But we’ve contoured the individual formulas to give rapid results for people and certain health conditions or challenges.

MARTIN: Yeah, reminds me, a woman called me back three months after she started. Again, 600 capsules a month, we’re pushing it. This is an important point. You do much better taking a large amount for a short amount of time than a small amount for a long amount of time. You really need the wave. But anyway, so this woman was taking it because of a fibroid tumor. She had something the size of her fist that was reduced or completely cleared in three months, and she called and she says, you know what? All of my stretch marks are gone. You should be selling it for that.

PATRICK: Oh, nice. Absolutely. I think that every time, almost every time that someone takes the product for a particular indication, there are off-label things that happen. That’s the beauty of enzymes. They sustain life. We may have things going on. We all live with pain, right? We all live with certain pains and we don’t even notice them. But once they’re gone, at some point you’re going to say, wow, I certainly feel better. Or maybe you don’t even know why but you have more energy, you’re not fatigued. That’s the power of enzymes. And yeah, you’re so right.

I started to talk about Malan’s protocol. The gentleman from Kenosha with the blocked carotid. And everybody is at a different pace depending upon the condition that we’re trying to address for them. But we will gladly, Martin, design an individual protocol for any health challenge that anybody has, and we can work through you to help people with that. I think that we’re one of the companies that stand by what we believe in. So everybody’s cousins.

MARTIN: Yeah, I guess to me, the main rule would be don’t be afraid to go high with this.

PATRICK: Right. There is no LD50 or toxic dose on any of the enzymes that we use. That means they’re safe to take at any dose, whether it’s a gram or 25 pounds a day. You’ll never have any side effects with enzymes, with properly formulated enzymes. If you get too many and you’re a little toxic, you may have toxic overload, end up with some die-off that causes things like a loose stool or maybe nausea. But outside of that, you’re never going to have a problem.

And if you haven’t had enzymes in your system for a while, we have to build them back up. We get into a loading phase to replenish your system, titrate back down eventually to a regular daily dose. And I think the changes for everybody vary, but there’s always significant change as long as people participate actively in their own health. And I’m sure that anybody listening to your podcast is already there, Martin. People are interested in better health naturally, and as long as we can get that participation, you simply cannot fail with enzymes.

MARTIN: Okay. So I’m thinking this serrapeptase will deal with fibrin or scar tissue. So any hardening. So I’m thinking that would be the hardening of the arteries. Would it work on hardening of the joints, too?

PATRICK: Well, what serrapeptase and Serralone will do for the joints is remove dead cellular material that’s blocking your joint capsule, not allowing for proper synovial fluid movement through that joint capsule. It gets in there, clears the pathway, so your body can heal itself. It has a very direct approach on joint health. You will end up in a situation where the direct and indirect results of a product like Serralone become evident in joints, because you can all of a sudden, I think back to a story, you may remember this, Martin, where we had a gentleman with rheumatoid arthritis. His hands were frozen shut into a fist by taking the product for just three days, he had full fluid movement and zero pain. It just went away like that. And there’s so many more.

MARTIN: Astounding, right? So that must mean that also all the other inflammatory conditions, like soft tissue problems, fibromyalgia comes to mind, or.

PATRICK: We can take a look at indications just like that. Rheumatoid arthritis, osteoarthritis, sports injuries, sprains, strains, any other type of autoimmune disease. Like you said, fibromyalgia, MS, lupus.

MARTIN: I guess it’s time for us to put a disclaimer on this. So this is not medical advice. We’re not prescribing, and we’re not healing a specific illness. What we’re dealing with now is the physiology, the underlying physiology at the cellular level.

PATRICK: Absolutely.

MARTIN: Don’t be calling us on this saying, well, you told me that you’ll heal my x condition. That will happen by the fact that your body can repair at the cellular level.

PATRICK: Yes, agreed. We are wellness experts, Martin, and I think it is important to disclaim this. To some degree, we are consultants and we stand by everything we talk about, but we’re not licensed medical doctors. So I encourage people, have conversations with your providers. It’s okay to get them involved. They should be open to anything as far as an integrated approach is concerned, to help get you back on your feet, whatever that looks like and whatever health challenges that you’re facing.

MARTIN: I remember printing this report. I’m trying to remember the fellow’s name. Was it Hofstadter or something like that? There was a report about the gift from the worm, about Serrapeptase. Right? Like it’s a serrapeptase story.

PATRICK: It might have been Ralph Holsworth.

MARTIN: There you go. That’s the name.

PATRICK: Yeah.

MARTIN: How do you spell the last name?

PATRICK: It’s h-o-l-s w-o-r-t-h. Holsworth.

MARTIN: Yeah.

PATRICK: Doctor Ralph Holsworth.

MARTIN: I remember that came back, what, 40, 50 years ago, right?

PATRICK: Yeah, it was a while ago. Well, that one wasn’t that long ago. This was probably right at the turn of the millennium, late nineties. He was actually part of cabinet member Tommy Thompson, who was the head then of health and human services. He was part of his team and trying to straighten out the health crisis in this country.

MARTIN: Right. So anyway, they put out these reports that every doctor should read but probably doesn’t because it’s not a pharmaceutical.

PATRICK: Yeah. I think that’s what’s important for us, is to be a part of the solution and not a part of the problem. We do our research and we just encourage everybody, don’t even take our word for it, just experience the products, because they truly speak for themselves.

MARTIN: Yeah, yeah, that’ll do it. I remember the words coming back with, I poop better, I sleep better, I stress less. I mean, the stories go, right, all kinds of symptomology that’s associated with the fight or flight side of reactions in the autonomic nervous system. Most of that seems to be lowered as soon as the serrapeptase comes into the picture.

PATRICK: Absolutely. It affects everything that we do as a proteolytic enzyme, and sometimes it can get to be a pretty broad category. But I think for the most part for your listeners that are focusing on how can this product help me? Inflammation, scar tissue, advanced fibrin. There’s a lot of challenges that we can really get into, but sticking with anomaly proteins and healthy blood are certainly two big ones.

MARTIN: So I guess we can say that we have two bottles. We have 180 count and 300 count bottles available. The productions, well, we have them available. Who knows what the next batch will cost. But right now we have this available. So the 180 is an excellent way of starting because that will prove the point. The 300 is probably the bottle you’ll want to be on for maybe three or four bottles to burn through all of that, whatever buildup of unwellness you’ve packed on. If you don’t feel like Tom Brady, you’re probably lacking some enzymes.

PATRICK: Yeah, absolutely. I think that the 300 count. Listen, if we haven’t been taking or supplementing with any type of systemic enzymes, then it’s going to take a couple more doses to get through that. So the 300 count would be the best bet. If someone is currently taking a systemic enzyme protocol, we can get away with the 180 and supplementing with whatever they’re doing to get that extra proteolytic stick.

MARTIN: I don’t know what else to be said?

PATRICK: What else?

MARTIN: The products were made with a good deal of care. The ingredients were selected with years and years of testing and practice. We have 25 years of history with this.

PATRICK: 25 years. It’s a brand that continues to thrive. Do you want to touch on inflammation a little bit?

MARTIN: Sure. You go ahead and let’s just talk about. I mean, I can say this, right, inflammation is the body’s response to an injury.

PATRICK: Absolutely.

MARTIN: Something broke you and your body’s trying to repair you, but sometimes it’s really unpleasant because inflammation comes with redness, heat, swelling, pain, and loss of function. Anyway, take it over.

PATRICK: Yeah, it is absolutely a natural response. It’s super necessary to protect the body from any type of foreign invader or injury or whatever’s going on. And I think that sometimes, especially in the way of autoimmune diseases, right. Sometimes that stuff just goes astray and you need a reset. And the only way to do that is to catalyze that with the proper enzymes. And remember, enzymes catalyze every single event in the human body that makes life possible. So with the integrative approach of enzymes, we’re going to live longer, we’re going to be healthier and just be stronger. It’s really, really something that we’ve built decades worth of business on. And we’re filled with gratitude for the opportunity to be able to help people through these health challenges, no matter what they are, Martin.

MARTIN: Yes, that’s the interesting part, just being here and being able to offer the alternative to the, well, let me explain. So you twist your ankle and you’re told, Tylenol or Advil, ice it, and just suffer through it. With the enzymes, you will be able to be on your feet way sooner with much less pain and no residual post injury loss of function, which is a big deal. Like when you break something, where you injure something, the body repairs it with the fibrous tissue, the scar tissue, and that actually is not as functional as the original stuff that was there. So when you fix something by bailing wire and chewing gum, so to speak, the fibrosis, it’s not going to be nearly as well functioning as the original design. This is where the fibrinolytic enzyme shines.

PATRICK: Yeah, absolutely. And this is where it all happens. Enzymes are the alpha and the omega for health. They’re the beginning of good health and the end of it.

MARTIN: Yeah, I remember reading a story which was something like, we’re not sure if we know that enzymes are high in young people, we know that enzymes are low in old people. We are not sure that it’s the time or it’s the decline of enzymes that causes what we know as aging. So if we put the enzymes back into the old guy, will he function like he was young?

PATRICK: Well, I think the answer to that question is yes. And it may not be just a direct path to that. To really understand the impact of aging on metabolic enzymes, the ones that were gifted with at birth and supplementation, there are some physiological processes and implications. I think the origin and production of metabolic enzymes we could touch on from a genetic information standpoint. The blueprint for metabolic enzymes is found right within our DNA. Our DNA holds so much information. I can’t remember this study, Martin, but it goes something like this, and I’m paraphrasing all over the place, but there was a study done on DNA and the amount of capacity it has to carry information. One strand, 1 gram of human DNA. And the researchers were able to download a copy of one of the researchers’ books onto this strand of DNA. And they did that, I believe, over a billion times and never reached capacity for the amount of information that DNA can hold. And your DNA holds the answers. And when we add enzymes back in to help recatalyze these events, that’s the missing key on so many different situations.

MARTIN: Well, I think we should end it on this.

PATRICK: Perfect.

MARTIN: I think that if you’ve been listening to us carefully, you will have heard a bunch of stories that talk about faster recoveries. I have been taking these enzymes as part of my daily regimen, but I’m thinking, hmm, I’m probably not taking enough, because even though I’m holding on, I’m not feeling as youthful as I was 25 years ago. I’ve been taking something like four a day. Maybe I need to take twelve for my maintenance and see what happens. What do you think?

PATRICK: Well, listen, I can tell you that I take six capsules daily. I can also tell you that I’ll be 60 in March. And I don’t have any attachment to any pharmaceuticals. I haven’t taken a pharmaceutical medication in years and years and years. I’m super healthy, and I put that all in the hands of the enzymes that we produce and that I take. So six a day for me, is enough, is fantastic. But every six months, I’ll go through a steep loading phase and a titration back down to a maintenance dose, like two, three times a day. And real quickly, I think it’s important to note that enzymes have a pretty short half life, Martin. It’s much better to take one capsule three times a day than it is to take ten capsules once a day. Not that you’re not going to get the same type of result, but what’s going to happen is you can increase the value of the product that you take with a properly formulated systemic enzyme product. Twice a day is pretty, pretty darn good. Three times a day is better. Once a day, it’s going to cost you more product to get the same results. So splitting up the doses 1 hour prior to or after any meal. And I generally tell people, Martin, right before you go to bed with some water, and then as soon as you wake up, the last thing you do at night, the first thing you do in the morning, and wait an hour to eat after you take them in the morning, and certainly don’t eat an hour before you go to bed. And that’s where you’re going to find your very, very best results.

MARTIN: Yeah. You want to get these enzymes to pass through your stomach into the small intestine for absorption.

PATRICK: Absolutely. Pass through that stomach lining, like you said, in the small intestine, where they become systemic.

MARTIN: People told me that when they take it with food, they digest better. Many of their digestive problems have gone away. So I guess you’re using a systemic enzyme for a digestive function, but what the hey.

PATRICK: I think we can make a quick distinction there. What is the difference between a digestive enzyme and a systemic enzyme? Well, there are a couple main things. And really, in a systemic enzyme formula, the activity level that we spoke about earlier, Martin, is going to be dramatically increased in a systemic product because we’re making that pass, like you said, through the stomach lining into the small intestine, where it’s absorbed into the blood, and now it’s passed through the entire human system at a cellular level. Digestive enzymes generally have a little bit broader array of enzymes because we want to capture each type of food that we consume, whether it be a protein, a carbohydrate, or a fat. The proteins are the proteolytic enzymes, like serrapeptase. For digestion, the amylolytic enzymes break down carbohydrates. And to break down fats, we need the lipolytic enzyme. So generally, you’re going to have all three categories in a digestive enzyme and many different variations of those types of categorical enzymes at much lower activity levels, because you don’t need increased activity level to break down food. When you take them systemically at higher activity levels, we get them through the entire system. They make their last pass through the pancreas, where they’re excreted back out into pancreatic juices, and that’s when we utilize them as digestive enzymes. But yes, like you mentioned, certainly people do take them with meals along with systemic they act as a digestive and a systemic enzyme, and it works amazing. But for better value, we suggest taking them around meals. So the energy that they have to deliver to the human system is reserved for the health challenges and not just breaking down the food we consume. We want that to be the last thing they do instead of the first thing, so that energy is used for the health challenge.

MARTIN: Right on. Okay, well, Patrick. Patrick Buehl, the formulator of enzymes, the brand that’s on the serrapeptase is Generation Plus. 

PATRICK: Yes.

MARTIN: Patrick has started another company called Enzyme Experts, and we will be offering those products when they become available. The Generation Plus products have been with us for 20 years and are awesome. So come and visit us at Life Enthusiast, life-enthusiast.com. Patrick, thank you very much for being with us today.

PATRICK: Thank you so much for the invitation, Martin. It’s greatly appreciated.

MARTIN: Thank you. Bye bye for now.

PATRICK: Bye.

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Podcast 490: Million Dollar Body

This week, Nate Palmer, author of The Million Dollar Body Method joins Martin Pytela to share his approach to fitness. Nate introduces his 28-day plan for fat loss and energy enhancement, emphasizing practical habits such as morning routines, hydration, and simple exercises. Together, they discuss the importance of automating early-day actions to minimize decision fatigue, the connection between physical and mental health, and the power of protein-rich breakfasts for lasting energy. We hope this episode inspires you to make small, consistent changes that lead to long-term health and positive community impact.

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MARTIN: Greetings. This is Martin Pytela for Life Enthusiast podcast. And today with me, Nate Palmer, the man who has written a book called the “Million Dollar Body”. And you do want to hear about that. Nate Palmer, welcome to Life Enthusiast.

NATE: Thanks for having me on, Martin. I’m really excited to get a chance to chat with you about this.

MARTIN: Yeah, for sure. The thing that impresses me about you, is that you understand the principle of reciprocity. You just let people have so much value. Let’s start with that.

NATE: Thank you for saying so. I appreciate that.

MARTIN: Yeah, no, let’s start with that. The giveaway. Let’s just tell people what it is that you’re actually letting them have for free.

NATE: Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, I like, yeah, let’s kick it off with that. So my book is called the Million Dollar Body Method. I’ve been in coaching and fitness and nutrition since 2008. I basically wanted at some point to combine all of the things that I found that have been very effective in working for people from a nutrient standpoint into a one place where you could read through it, have a, not just some information that’s like, hey, now, book a sales call, but literally could pick it up and then have a 28 day plan to follow, to do a personal experiment to see how much fat you can lose and how much energy you can gain, right off the bat. Because I feel like I see a lot of coaches and people like that who write books, but they’re just a glorified sales pitch. And I didn’t want to do that because I wanted to leave something that was, even if I’m not doing this particular brand of work in the next decade or two, I want people to be able to pick something else up and have good results from it. So you mentioned the norm of reciprocity, and I think that there’s something to that for sure.

I love the idea that givers gain. But also, Martin, we’re in a serious health crisis right now. You and I, we are doing our best in the ways that we know how to help people live more enriched, fulfilled, healthier lives, which is not just a selfish pursuit of people trying to get skinny and have good muscles. It’s being leaders. It’s setting a legacy for our kids. It’s setting an example for our families, and that is so, so important. And I don’t even think I realized how important this work was until I had my own kids. So, yes, it’s great.

I would love if someone called me up and was like, hey, I want to work with you. That’d be fantastic. But I don’t care about that as much as I care about people becoming the leaders that their families need, because everyone’s always looking at you. Someone is watching you right now and seeing what you do and they are inspired by you. And so when someone could pick up from there and use some of these tools to get good results, I think the cascade effect from that is just so powerful. And that’s what I want to see in our communities, our neighborhoods, and our society as a whole.

MARTIN: Yeah. I’m well reminded as you’re speaking, of the thing that says: “Strong men tend to raise weak sons and weak sons will create a bad economy and bad economy will create hardship, and hardship will form strong men, and the strong men will raise weak sons and they will wreck the economy.” And so this is the cycles, right? And it’s interesting that multi generational wealth, for example, is pretty rare. Like, there are very, very few companies, not companies, families, names that have lasted that have made it into generation 3, 4 is rarer, and 5 is super rare. There are only very few that have actually made something of the inheritance that has been handed to them.

NATE: It’s just what you said. If it’s handed to you, it’s something you don’t value quite as much. So I think that you have to be the Rockefellers of the world who have so much money that you can’t possibly spend in five generations, or you have to raise a generation of kids who are strong, smart, wise, and are able to take what you’ve given them and build upon it in their own way. And that’s the future. I didn’t come from money. We ate mayonnaise sandwiches when I was growing up and we liked it. I didn’t know we were poor. But if I can build a little bit and then have my kids build a little bit, too, my daughter cracks me up. She’s so inspiring. I love her.

She just turned six and she got a couple bracelet-making sets for her birthday. And so she’s been just at work making bracelets and she’s learning to write, too. So she’s now making bracelets and writing signs for a bracelet stand she’s going to have. So she skipped the lemonade stand phase andshe’s now like selling bracelets and she’s like, I’m like, how much are these going to be, baby? And she sys $10.25. I was like, “That’s a good price. Lets see if the market tolerates it.

MARTIN: I’ll give you the discount. Keep the change. Okay. That’s awesome. Yeah, it’s great to see the message that I was trying to put forward with the little monologue was we need to try and figure out how we’re going to raise strong people. Because I’m now 70 something, it’s very conceivable that my last years will be less productive than up to now, and somebody’s going to have to carry the ball. So if I’ve raised successful kids who are actually able to produce, there will be an economy that can afford to float me along when I’m less productive. But if I raise unproductive, sickly people, we’re going to be in trouble. And I see that all around me. There is so much weakness, ill health that-

NATE: And entitlement.

MARTIN: Okay, that’s a different. That’s another story. Yes, there are a whole lot of people who feel that they have been victimized by society and they somehow feel that it owes them.

NATE: Yeah, but I mean, it’s a symptom of weak health, right?

MARTIN: Yeah.

NATE: I think as your health declines, like the physical and mental health are inexorably linked. And if you don’t have that physical health and like, okay, so can I share a little bit of my backstory?

MARTIN: Oh, please. Yeah, that’s what I would like to hear.

NATE: So when I, the reason I got into health and fitness back in like 2008, 2005 really was when I was 13 years old, I was at home by myself and my mom was dropping my two younger sisters off at their elementary school and someone came to my front door and knocked on it. I didn’t let him in, and he came around the back. I was like, that’s a little weird, maybe he’s a contractor or something. I don’t know. He breaks a window in my house. I was like, that’s not normal contractor behavior.

So I grab a steak knife out of the knife block and then I go into my bedroom and I hide under my bed and I lock the door and I hear this man come down my wooden hall, like the wooden floors of my hallway with his work boots on. And just like, I can still remember the noise of his feet on the floor, and then he pounds on my door. And I thought to myself like, this is, I’m about to die. And it was such a terrifying, traumatic experience for me at that age that my brain instantly shifted to, if I am bigger and I am stronger and I have a big enough beard and enough tattoos, no one’s going to ever be able to mess with me ever again. And so that’s been such a driving force for me as a young man. And I think that that idea, that philosophy is very prevalent in gyms today. You can see a lot of guys in the gym who are just completely, like, just monsters. So big, so strong. But inside, they’re hurt little boys like I was. And they had never been able to take the power that they’ve received from weight training and transmute that into something healthy. I feel like it took me years, but eventually I found that I did not like running from that fear anymore. And instead, I was able to figure out a way to move towards the positives and the benefits and the additional enthusiasm and energy and vibrancy for life that I got from training.

And the thing that I think that was the real big win. Because I was able to gain… I graduated high school at six four and 155 pounds. So I was real rail skinny. And throughout the course of the last 20 years of weight training I gained some muscle, sure. But I also started to understand that I can do anything that I set my mind to. I can do hard things. I can do hard things consistently. And if I just keep working at something long enough, I’m going to be successful. Thus the “inevitable” tattoo. It doesn’t matter how long it’s going to take me, because I’m going to be lapping the people on the couches. I’m not going to be the smartest or the sharpest or the most athletic, but I’m going to continue to do it until I succeed. And I think that mental strength that you get from understanding that you’re a person who can achieve what they set their mind to is so much better than the physical strength you get from lifting weights. And I want that for other people.

I want people to start understanding that even if you don’t love working out, even if you don’t love some of these aspects of things, if you’re a person that does what they say they’re going to do and does it for a long enough period of time, your physical strength is going to increase, for sure, but your mental strength is going to increase, and you become a person without limits. And that is such a fun place to be, I think.

MARTIN: Right. Yeah, this is really important, getting everyone to understand the value of commitment and consistency and showing up and doing it even when it’s raining and too hot and too cold and everything, just doing the work. And you hear this all over. Elon Musk will tell you that ideas are easy to come by, execution is the tough part. And developing a prototype is the easy part. Producing it at scale is the hard part. In other areas of life, that will be, is that you actually need to show up, do the work. There’s no shortcut. And if you think that somehow the world will give you for free the results, you have been seduced by the easy button. The medical system loves to tell you that there is a silver bullet, that there is the thing you can take that will take away your pain and solve your dysfunction.

NATE: Absolutely.

MARTIN: It’s a seduction, and it’s a lie.

NATE: I think a lot of marketing is like that. Food, coaching, like business coaching, fitness coaching. Like a lot of people tell you. Oh, it’s not your fault. If you just knew this one secret, you would be able to do better. Hey, it’s not your fault. It’s society’s fault. But if you take this ozempic,  you’ll do better.

MARTIN: You just put a dagger into me by saying the word. No, no, no, it’s okay. You know, this ozempic got itself such a reputation. Thank you, Oprah Winfrey, for being the advertising billboard for it. And there will be so many people with destroyed stomachs and thyroid cancers that will come at the back end of this. It’s not even funny.

NATE: But like you mentioned, it’s like the medical industry wants to tell you it’s a silver bullet, obviously, that’s false. But I think if you can transform your mentality from looking for a silver bullet to looking for thousands of brass bb’s, then you can start actually eliciting changes.

MARTIN: Yeah. When hunting, starlings come with a shotgun, not with a rifle.

NATE: I like that.

MARTIN: You want a thousand little things. Yeah. As in a journey, right? A thousand mile journey begins with the first step, and you take the steps. Or another beautiful metaphor. How do you eat a ten pound salami? One slice at a time.

NATE: 100%.

MARTIN: Right. So anyway, awesome. So there is the book “The Million Dollar Body.” You probably say all of that in that book, huh?

NATE: I talk about some of those pieces. I think I give a little bit of my background as well. But in reality, what I’m trying to do is I’m trying to give people a reason to do certain things. Like, for example, an a.m. routine is one of my seven pillars, my seven daily investments in this book. I always talk about this in terms of investments, number one, because a lot of my clients end up in that business entrepreneurial space. So I feel like they like that language around money. So I want you to think about your day in terms of where are you investing? Rather than, oh, I just want to eat this food. But no, if you eat your lunch in a specific way, it’s going to be an investment in your future energy and health. How are you investing? So one of my investments is the daily a.m. routine. And there’s a million people talking about am routines. And some of them are talking about very expensive smoothies with rare ingredients that you have to do, and journaling for 90 minutes and then a red light sauna and all these different things that are fairly elusive to a lot of us who are nothing deeply embedded in the health space. So I wanted to give people very concrete, small things. My morning routine consists of two things. It is 32oz of water and 60 seconds of exercise. That’s all it is for the morning. Because I believe a morning routine has two components.

And it’s not journaling and meditation. It’s not breath work and working out. It is casting a vote for the person that you are becoming. If you want to become a more health-conscious individual, then some part of your morning needs to incorporate something healthy in it. If you want to become a better parent, some part of your morning should incorporate listening to a podcast, reading a book, being intentional about improving your parenting skills, and then eliminating decision fatigue. We make 30 plus thousand decisions every single day. From the color of the t-shirt we’re going to wear, to what we’re eating for breakfast, to whether I should say yes or no or respond to this email. And most of us have limited bandwidth for that.

It’s like a muscle, right? So you spend all your time deciding on the flavor of oatmeal in the morning. Then when it comes time to the afternoon, you have less energy around decision making. So let’s just automate the first hour of your day. You wake up, you know exactly what you’re going to eat, you know exactly what you’re going to wear. Last time, last time we talked, I was wearing this shirt. I have six of them. It’s a black shirt, I wear them all the time.

And if you have those pieces in place, then you’ve set yourself up for a much more enjoyable day. And that doesn’t mean a morning routine can’t have some of those pieces. Bruce Lee said, absorb what is useful, reject what is not, and add what is uniquely your own. So try my methodology with the water and the exercise, which are designed to get your metabolism moving quicker, giving you hydration. After you’ve not been hydrating for the last 8 hours and then just get your body moving a little bit to improve that fat metabolism and put you in a better energetic position than if you wake up and just pound a cup of coffee. So my goal is to give you, here’s a small tidbit that you can start implementing right away. And here are three really good reasons why you should be doing it. So, not making it overly scientific or complicated, but simple things that very busy people can do consistently for years.

MARTIN: Yeah. The word that has been rattling in my brain about this is activate. When you flush. When you put in that water you are activating the process. Things will move. You need to be able to move nutrients in and toxins out and if you have a dry riverbed you will not have any boats floating on it. It will just not happen. And the second thing, this energy business, when you activate your metabolism by actually physical movement, that’s a phenomenal act. You just told your body to kick in gear as opposed to conserving energy.

NATE: And it doesn’t even need to be, it doesn’t need to be a long workout. 60 seconds of jumping jacks is a great way to kick you up and get out of the bed.

MARTIN: Yeah. And it doesn’t have to be the first 20 seconds. Take your time. Come up. Right? Yeah. Awesome. Yes. Raising a healthy nation. You know, just these two things alone, if they were done by millions, we would probably change the course of history.

NATE: I mean like it’s kind of, it’s cool to think about that, but it’s also slightly depressing. Think that we can’t get people to do 1 minute of something in the morning that is going to change the course of their life over years or decades. Because this is like, it’s not revolutionary, it’s not sexy, it’s not this, take this cool supplement. It’s not do this magical exercise that is going to do all these things. It’s something so small, but it really has that compound effect like investing. Right? So I think if you can just make those daily deposits, you start seeing it not today, not tomorrow, but three months from now, two years from now, everything starts feeling way, way better. And you’re like, wow, I’m so glad I started back then.

MARTIN: All right. Okay. 60 seconds. High aerobic activity. Why not?

NATE: Jumping jacks? Great. I would say you could do burpees if you’re sadistic. I don’t ever have my clients ever do burpees because that’s the worst exercise. But sometimes I’ll just do some shadow boxing. Maybe I’ll just, like, dance a little bit. That’s embarrassing. My wife catches me. But you know what? It’s all, that’s all good. Sometimes if I’m feeling kind of low or like a little bit creaky, I’ll just do band pull aparts or something. Just keep my shoulders and upper back engaged, but it doesn’t have to be anything crazy.

MARTIN: Yeah. You know what I do? What? I use a mini trampoline.

NATE: Oh, that’s the best.

MARTIN: It’s called a rebounder. And I use small weights. I use two three pound, nothing too serious and just dance and box and throw my arms around and run and do stuff. I only do really, like two minutes.

NATE: And the rebounder is so great.

MARTIN: A longer one later.

NATE: But, yeah, for flushing out all the lymph and all the stagnation that you accumulate overnight, too. So, yeah, if you have a rebounder or your kids are jumping on a trampoline at home, that’s an awesome option.

MARTIN:  Yeah. Okay, well, what else am I missing here.

NATE: Well, you want to talk a little about nutrition? Kind of like the basic framework.

MARTIN: For what I consider what you’ve learned.

NATE: Okay, so when I was working as a personal trainer, personal trainers are the worst because people are going to be like, people always ask personal trainers, what should I be eating? And they say rice and chicken. They’re like, how much? And they’re like every meal all the time. And so when I first started training, I was like, what should I be eating, you guys? And they’re like rice and chicken. So I burned myself out on chicken breast, white rice and sriracha hot sauce. I ate that stuff every meal for like a year and a half. And then by the time I was done with that, I was like. I’m done with this. I don’t ever want to see Sriracha ever again.

But the thing that kept coming up for me was, every time I would eat the rice and the chicken, I would have like a 90 minute lull in my day where I was like, I need a nap. I need to lay down. I’m tired. And as a trainer, I would work from like 06:00 a.m. to like 11:00 a.m. then have like a two or three hour window in the middle of the day with no clients. And then work from like 02:00 p.m. until 07:00 p.m.

NATE: So I had these really long days and I just, I didn’t like the fact that I was showing up to my four, 5, 6 appointments, a lot lower energy than I was for my morning appointments. So I went back to the drawing board in terms of my nutrition to figure out what can I do that’s going to actually improve my energy? How am I going to feel really good all day long? What I found was that eliminating carbohydrates, especially in the morning, the oatmeal, the bagels, the cereals, all the typical breakfast foods that we see on the supermarket shelves, was a great way to start the day. One of my key tenets, one of my investments, is a protein and fat breakfast. This can be as simple as whipping up five eggs, have a little bit of avocado, maybe some cheese on there. So very simple, nothing crazy at all. I tend to do a protein shake because I’m out of the house pretty early and it’s just fast and easy. I don’t need to turn anything on or cook anything, but I’ll do two scoops of a whey protein. I will do two tablespoons of a peanut or almond butter.

I’ll do some liquid, some ice. And then the secret for a great shake is you take some salt and you grind some salt into there. It’s much better. Plus I live in Arizona. I need all the electrolytes I can get.

MARTIN: Well, as soon as you start sweating, perspiration will be dumping sodium out of your system. So you do need to salt your food. You know what’s really interesting is you have described the ideal diet for the thyroid dominant endocrine. Okay, there are three major, thyroid, adrenal and pituitary. And you describe the thyroid diet to the T. And what’s interesting, of course, the thyroid types tend to be lean and tall. They tend to be longer rather than not. They tend to be built smaller bones, like you could usually put your hand around your wrist, whereas if you’re the adrenal dominant, you’ll be built with bigger bones, bigger ankles. I mean, the typical adrenal calf is the size of my thigh, just naturally. And they find it really easy to put on muscle mass, whereas the thyroid type, like you or me, will have to really work at it. And we never really go big. We just go okay, as opposed to mister Atlas. Doesn’t happen.

NATE: Yeah.

MARTIN: Anyway, the adrenal types are different. They like to take no breakfast at all, maybe a cup of coffee, small, light lunch, maybe a salad and just eat a big dinner. That’s their story. And interestingly enough, they gain weight with fat. Unlike the thyroid, you and I, we lose weight on fat, so we stay lean eating fat, we put on blubber eating starch. So this chicken thing that you were describing, it’s the rice that was putting the weight on and was giving you the excess energy. Here’s how it works. The energy is used up first in the circulating glucose, then in the stored glycogen, then the circulating fats, and finally then the stored fats. So if there’s always circulating glucose, you never get to using up your stored fat.

NATE: And that’s across the board, no matter what type.

MARTIN: It’s everyone. But the way you get the circulating glucose in is you put in starch in your diet, the rice, bread, potato, porridge, oatmeal, all of those are instant starch hits, which turns into blood glucose spikes. It’s great if you’re trying to outrun something, like if you need to go row 3 miles, by all means carb up.

NATE: But that’s, that’s so, so few and far between. There’s very few people that I talked to that are running ultra marathons or training for triathlons or even who are outside working with their hands physically. Most people are sitting at desks, most people work from home, they see the fridge and they don’t give their body a chance to ever rid themselves of that blood glucose. And so it’s kind of, with this strategy, it’s a sneaky way of keeping your blood sugar level so you don’t have these peaks and valleys where you’re having hunger pangs and then getting tired afterwards, as well as giving your body a chance to burn through blood glucose and then refilling those stores in the PM, which is kind of how I promote it.

MARTIN: Right on. Yes.

NATE: And so I’ve also found that,

MARTIN; Be careful about your lunch. If you spike your lunch with carbohydrates, you’re going to be falling asleep 2 hours later.

NATE: So one of our other investments is a protein and veggie lunch. So one of the easiest ways to do that, I found, is that if you make a big batch of meat or protein in the PM, then you can eat some of it for dinner and then save some of it. So you have a batch of protein, for example, everything I do is geared towards busy people. So on Monday night, we might make chicken and potatoes, we have a little more time Tuesday night, I know we don’t have time. I’m taking the kids places, we’re shuttling them around. My wife is working, so I know I need to have a faster dinner ready.

NATE: So I cook a bunch of chicken thighs. I love chicken thighs way more than chicken breasts on the grill on Monday night. And then the next night, I just chop those up and I turn them into tacos. Or I put them in a pan with some tikki masala sauce, or I put them in with some fried rice. And so now I have a couple meals that I can use based off of the previous batch of prepped protein I’ve used. So in that vein, I’ll grab two chicken thighs and then a half of a bag of baby carrots. It’s filling, it’s nutrient dense, it’s a lot of protein, and you feel great the rest of the day. You don’t feel like you’re crashing out.

And I think one of the things that I’ve learned is that when your body metabolizes carbohydrates, proteins and fats are a lot slower to be digested. Carbohydrates digest faster, which means you need more blood flow to digest them because of the oxygen requirements of digestion. So it’s gonna pull blood from your extremities, your arms, your legs, your brain, and pull it all into your gut. So these are like the rules of the human body, of human physiology. So if you know these rules, you can decide to follow them or you can decide to break them, but I don’t want people to not understand what the score is. So if you want to have pancake breakfast with your kids and you’ve got a lull in your day until noon on the weekends, by all means, enjoy that pancake breakfast, and do your thing. But because you know what’s going to happen, you’re going to be tired, you’re going to be sitting around, you’re not going to need to pop up and do something really, really active after eating a bunch of pancakes. So understanding how the body works and then putting that to use to benefit you, I think, is one of the best things you can do, and it puts you back in control.

MARTIN: Yes. Not disagreeing, but at the same time, I would say have your pancakes when you know that you’re going for a hike, because remember this, this stuff is hitting your bloodstream about 30 to 50 minutes later. So as soon as you finish eating, start putting your shoes on and go for the hike, you will burn it off.

NATE: True.

MARTIN: Which is okay, but if you’re going to sit with it, then what you’re going to do is you’re going to make a spike of glucose, followed by a spike of insulin, followed by a spike of triglycerides, and it will convert very successfully into lipids, white fat around your belly.

NATE: Yeah. I think that’s so important for people to understand. What is the score? What happens when I put this food into my body? When I put in the proteins and fats in the morning, I get energy and I don’t crash. When I put in the pancakes in the morning, I get a big spike and then I crash and I feel like I need to take a nap. So if you understand that, you can make your decisions accordingly. And I love the idea of walking or taking a hike or moving around.

There’s this ayurvedic principle called ‘shatpavali’ which just essentially means 100 steps. And their idea is that after you eat a meal, you just walk 100 steps. So for me, I think like a ten minute walk after each meal is a great way to improve digestion, improve lipid management, make sure that you’re not getting a gigantic glucose spike. Improve  your metabolism, and it’s free. You just go walk. I’m in Arizona, it’s 120 degrees right now, but I can still walk around my house.

MARTIN: All right. Yes.

NATE: No hikes in the near future for me, unfortunately. They’re always air evacuating people off mountains around here. Yeah. Like two people will come to town, stay at a resort, and then try to go hiking at noon, and then they end up getting heat stroke or whatever, and having to get air evacuated out.

MARTIN: Oh, this is actually a thing that goes on? Yeah.

NATE: Oh, yeah. It’s super frequent here.

MARTIN: My, my, yeah, of course, 120. Anything above 90 is you’re no longer able to cool yourself. So, you know, at 100, you’re as hot as your inner temperature and you’re producing energy. So if you’re doing anything moving, even digesting, you need to have some external cooling, and there isn’t any. So you’re going to overheat, your core temperature goes up and it lights out.

NATE: Yep.

MARTIN: Okay. Well, Arizona, you sure have to work hard at choosing anything less convenient for exercise outdoors.

NATE: Well, I still. I have a garage gym and so I train in the summer. Still in the garage. And what I’ve noticed from that is that it’s very uncomfortable the first couple times you do it, the first three or four times. You’re hot. You just don’t feel as good. You can’t lift as much weight, but then it feels like your body acclimates to it after a couple of workouts, and it no longer is as impactful in terms of crushing my energy and making me want to take a nap.

MARTIN: Okay.

NATE: And then when I’m going and just wandering around or walking from here to here, I don’t feel the heat takes as much out of me in real life as if I’ve been training in the heat.

MARTIN: Yeah. Okay. You’re hardening yourself.

NATE: Yeah, it feels like it. I don’t have any science to back that up, but that’s  what I’ve noticed from personal experience.

MARTIN: Right. Okay, well, very good points on the nutrition side. I already take it for granted, but it’s good that you’re remembering to just repeat it. Right?

NATE: Yeah. And then once you do it for a long time, it just becomes this lifestyle. So, I try to give people frameworks. I always think about when I go bowling with my kids, they’re not very good at bowling, so I put up the bumpers. Right. Well, a lot of us aren’t very good at nutrition, so how can we put up bumpers for ourselves and our nutrition? And I think that if you just have the idea of proteins and fat for breakfast, proteins and vegetables for lunch, protein, a carb and a veggie for dinner. Great.

Now you can go out to a restaurant, and you don’t have to worry about being on a meal plan. You can just, restaurants have a lot of food in the back. You can be like, I want a steak, I want a potato, and I want some broccoli. You just ask them for the food that you want, and they’ll make it for you. It’s a great thing about restaurants.

MARTIN: Yes. They want to serve you.

NATE: Yep.

MARTIN: All right. Okay, Nate. Let’s just tell people how they can find you. Let’s just put it out there.

NATE: Yeah. So one of the places I’m most active is on Instagram right now. If you want to find me there at ‘_milliondollarbody.’ If you just search for a million dollar body I’ll come up. I’m the best one. You can also check out my YouTube channel, which is, again, YouTube.com/milliondollarbody. And then if you wanted to check out that book, you just go to GetNatesbook.com and I’ll send you an ebook for a Kindle, or I’ll send you a PDF, whatever one you prefer. And if you like it, you want to have a hard copy, it’s on Amazon, it’s on Audible. You can listen to it, but get it for free. Check it out.

MARTIN: GetNatesbook.com. Awesome. Nate, think this was worth close to a million bucks.

NATE: I hope so. I want us to be like, fitness is fun. We get the opportunity to do fitness, right? I don’t want it to be this big thing where like, oh, my gosh, have to do another diet, have to do another exercise routine. We get to move our bodies. We don’t have to. Every time I get injured or feel like I’m laid up a little bit, it just reinforces for me how blessed I am and we are, to be able to do some of these things and move around. So I want people to understand and experience that same level of joy when it comes to the ability to feed ourselves good food and to move ourselves around and to train ourselves and to showcase what that looks like to our friends, family and community.

NATE: And so I just want this to be like a fun process. I don’t like people suffering through a fitness journey when it should be this uplifting, really just core element of personal development. You know, I think you can skip all the podcasts and all the good books and stuff like that, because fitness should really be the cornerstone. And if you can master this, then there’s nothing that you can’t do. It’s. And I think that’s a wonderful aspect of what this is like.

MARTIN: You know, these podcasts, they’re very listenable, and all you need is some sort of a headset and a device that will play it back to you and go out there and walk.

NATE: Absolutely. That’s perfect. Feed your body. Feed your mind.

MARTIN: Interestingly, I want to make one more point, which is you can start with minimal. Even if your fitness level is pretty atrocious, you start to move from. It’s hard to overcome inertia, it’s hard to overcome sitting still. So the first moves may be quite small and may feel pretty silly, but when you do them, the progression will build on itself. It’s not linear, it’s geometric. So start. If you find yourself not doing a fitness program, this should be the beginning of you doing one.

NATE: I’ve got clients who start with me and just, we just start walking. We just start walking for 30 minutes a day and it doesn’t have to be a big deal. I don’t have to get really insane with our workouts and do a bunch of hard crossfit exercises or anything like that. But you need to build that routine and build that chunk into your day where you can be like, all right, this 30 minutes belongs to me. It is an important meeting between me and me and it impacts everything else I do. And then once you have that routine built, then we can add stuff to it and mobility and core training and all sorts of cool and fun stuff. You gotta have that space really created. So if you don’t know what to do yet, just get out and walk. 30 minutes a day is all you need. 60 minutes is amazing. 30 minutes is fantastic. Start somewhere.

MARTIN: Awesome. Nate, you are such a bright light for me. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Nate Palmer. You can look at this website at Nate.fit. This is Martin Pytela for Life Enthusiast, life-enthusiast.com and by phone at 866-543-3388. Thank you.

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Welcome to another episode of the Life Enthusiast podcast! On today’s episode,  Martin Pytela chats with Belinda Whelan, the Healthy Celiac Coach, about the complexities of celiac disease. Belinda shares her personal journey, emphasizing the importance of proper testing and diagnosis, which is often missed or mistaken for other conditions. She explains the genetic factors and how life events can trigger symptoms.

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MARTIN: Greetings. This is Martin Pytela for Life Enthusiast podcast. And today with me, Belinda Whelan. She is the Healthy Celiac Coach. We’ll ask Belinda to explain, but welcome.

BELINDA: Thanks, Martin. Thank you so much for having me on your show. It’s great to be here.

MARTIN: Yeah, I appreciate the fact that you bring yourself a different continent, different accent, different experience, all of that. That’s just awesome. I love that.

BELINDA: Yeah, yeah. It’s always great to connect with people on the other side of the world. I’m in Australia, so. Yeah, we were just saying earlier, winter here and summer for you. So, yeah, it’s great to connect.

MARTIN: And it’s great that, of course, now it’s possible for us to consult with people using the same tool that you and I are using right now, talking over the Internet as if we were in each other’s face.

BELINDA: Yeah, it is wonderful isn’t it?

MARTIN: Yeah, great.

BELINDA: Love it.

MARTIN: So you come to it with Celiac in your business title. Most of the people that come to Life Enthusiast website come here looking for a solution to a problem that they may not necessarily understand. And I think that there are way more celiacs out there than what meets the eye or than what people think. They think, oh, I have just a little bit of indigestion, or I have a little bit of brain fog, or I have a little bit of immune challenge. Turns out, and I’m telling you, the world, that if you have a leaky gut, you also have a leaky brain and you also have a leaky immune system.

BELINDA: Yes.

MARTIN: What can you say to that?

BELINDA: Yeah, I mean, celiac disease is one of those autoimmune diseases that I guess is becoming more and more known, whether that’s to do with more awareness or more people getting diagnosed, but it is, when we look at it, it’s not uncommon. Around 1 in 100 people do have celiac disease, and unfortunately, so many people are undiagnosed or misdiagnosed, and this is a big one. So they go to their medical practitioner and they’re being diagnosed with something else. So whether that be IBS or something along those lines, because it’s not being picked up. And my story is very similar. It took me over a year to get a diagnosis, which sounds like a long time, but for some people, they don’t get diagnosed for 10, 20, 30 years and they struggle with the symptoms. So it is something that it’s important for people to have more of an awareness of so that they can get a diagnosis. But, yeah, It is very undiagnosed and misdiagnosed, unfortunately.

MARTIN: So what do you rely on with diagnosing?

BELINDA: So the key way to get a diagnosis is first through a blood test. So you need to go to your medical practitioner. They will do a blood test for the gene. So they are looking for two genes. So it’s either HlADQ2 or HLADQ8. So most celiacs will carry one of those genes or two of those genes, and you get them from your parents. Some people have been diagnosed without those genes, so having said that. But generally they are looking for those genes.

If you have that gene, it doesn’t mean you’ve got celiac disease. Something has to actually trigger the gene to kind of turn it on, and that can be a number of factors. So for me, it was childbirth. I never had any symptoms whatsoever before I had my daughter, and childbirth was the trigger for me. And so many people say that different things have triggered their celiac gene. So things like the loss of a loved one, a car accident, illness, there’s so many different things. I’ve asked people what they believe triggered their celiac disease and the answer varies.

My audience is mainly women, and the most common answer has been childbirth. Something triggers that and then you have this immune response. Basically what happens is you consume gluten, which is in a lot of foods, and your body sees that as a foreign body and it starts to attack its own tissues and cells. So the body starts to break down and does further damage. And you can get very, very sick and it can cause more problems and more ongoing issues later on in life if you don’t get on top of it. So this is why it’s important to look at these different signs and symptoms that can relate to celiac disease and go and get tested for it.

MARTIN: You’re essentially naming high stressors, whether it’s loss of a loved one, moving, getting to school or not getting to school, giving birth, especially. I mean, this is the hormonal change that goes from being in a regular cycle to being pregnant for x nine months and then all of a sudden back out of it. Right. That’s a major restoration. And of course, the pregnancy itself is a major stressor on the body.

BELINDA: That’s right. Yeah.

MARTIN: So no surprise there. I always like to think of it as the load on something. The thresholds and the triggers, right?

BELINDA: Yes.

MARTIN: The threshold is what’s our resilience, and triggers are piling on until all of a sudden the triggers are above the threshold and flood.

BELINDA: Yes. And then the body’s like, no more, can’t cope. And you get given all of these issues and a lot of people that are aware of celiac disease think of it as just a gastro issue, it’s a problem with the gut and it’s diarrhea and it’s feeling unwell and fatigue. But there’s so many more symptoms. There’s hundreds of known symptoms linked to celiac disease and some of the most ridiculous things that you wouldn’t go to your doctor and think you’re going to walk out with a celiac disease diagnosis, one of them being a cough that will not go away. So some people have reported that the only symptom that they had was this ongoing cough for months and months and months, and then they got a celiac disease diagnosis, started eating gluten free, and the cough went away.

MARTIN: Right, so the solution was to stop the input of this irritant that is causing all this inflammation, right?

BELINDA: Yeah, that’s right, yeah.

MARTIN: Okay, so what about Doctor Marsh and his Marsh one through to five, doing the biopsy and taking a look how worn the villi are, is that part of what you need or doesn’t really matter?

BELINDA: So what they call the gold standard is you get a blood test that sees if you have the gene initially, then they’re looking at your blood levels to see whether the gluten is causing you issues. From there, then they will go and do a biopsy. So some countries will bypass that and not even bother. So I was diagnosed 15 years ago, I was not given a biopsy because I’d already gone gluten free and my gastroenterologist didn’t want to put me on the gluten. My blood was through the chart off the show that it was like they could tell without a shadow of a doubt that it was celiac disease. Some children, they don’t want to put them through that extra trauma. It is being put under and having things put down your throat. It is traumatic for some people, so in some instances, they don’t need to do it, but they do say the gold standard is to do that and look at how much damage is happening, so.

MARTIN: Right, okay, so how far down you are on the journey from healthy to completely unrepairable, yeah? So transglutaminase, is that the test that you’re talking about?

BELINDA: Yes. So they’ll check that in your blood and they can see from there, and that’s where they can make a decision. It will depend completely on that blood level and then from there, whether they send you off to get that endoscopy. So some people will get an endoscopy and a colonoscopy. I did have a colonoscopy. Years after my diagnosis, I had gluten sneaking back into my diet. Accidentally my butcher had changed his bacon, and the bacon had a wheat liquid injected into it. So it’s just crazy where gluten is.

BELINDA: So I was getting ill again, and they just wanted to check that my villi was okay.

MARTIN: You just threw in the most crazy notion. Can you believe that somebody could betray you so much and put wheat inside your bacon.

BELINDA: Yeah, right. Like, we shouldn’t even have to think about that. It’s meat. And, I’d been going to this butcher for a very, very long time. Had always bought my bacon from there. And I do look at it now and go, I did get complacent because I always bought my bacon from there. I didn’t continue to check, I probably went there once a week, once every two weeks. It’s not like every time I was like, oh, is your bacon still gluten-free? Is your bacon still gluten-free? I did get complacent. So that was a massive lesson. But who would think that they’re injecting bacon with a wheat liquid? They are. They do it. It’s common. It’s in ham. So processed ham, they will put wheat liquid into it as well. It plumps it up. It makes it cheaper. So, yeah. interesting.

MARTIN: You do not have to be checking all the time. It’s just a betrayal of the society. Perhaps in a sense, right, they don’t think twice of it. I mean, my grandfather was a butcher. He made wieners, and he made it with wheat soup. Right? They were wheat wieners.

BELINDA: Yep.

MARTIN: Now, it’s hard to get a gluten-free wiener, isn’t it?

BELINDA: Yeah. I haven’t looked, but I’ll take your word for it.

MARTIN: I don’t know. So, interestingly, I lost my oral tolerance for wheat at about age 55. Like, it was undeniable. I was able to eat spaghetti back in my thirties without breaking out or having horrendous symptoms. I just had some, right? Like, I had a swollen belly, but didn’t think much of it. Right.

BELINDA: Yeah. So you weren’t ever tested for celiac disease.

MARTIN: Yeah, it just wore off. I tried to explain it to people saying, well, it’s sort of like a new set of tires. When you have a new car, it’s all good. And then at 50,000 miles or whatever it is, that’s the rate at which you’re driving, riding on slicks on a dry summer day, that’s all good. But if it rains, you’re in the ditch.

BELINDA: Makes sense. Yeah. And a lot of people do go gluten-free and just feel better. Like, they don’t go and get tested for celiac disease. They just make that decision to eat gluten-free. And this is where I like people to go get tested. If they do suspect that it is gluten that’s causing them issues because they will take it more seriously and look into it deeper. And there’s so much more than just eating gluten-free. It’s making sure there’s no cross-contact with crumbs in your kitchen or when you eat out and things like that. So, yeah, there’s a lot that goes into it. That’s for sure.

MARTIN: Yeah. Okay. So to get practical in this conversation, I know that you do both one on one sessions and group sessions. So somebody on this end who thinks I have these, who knows what problems that have been protracted. It’s just not getting better. I wonder, maybe I should talk to Belinda.

BELINDA: Yeah, sure. If someone wants to get in contact with me, they can certainly do so by my website, which is belindaweland.com, and we can have a chat there. But the first step is definitely to get a diagnosis that’s out of my hands. That’s not what I do. My expertise is supporting people after they get a diagnosis and helping them get back to being healthy and on their journey to wellness.

MARTIN: So we should put a pin in it and say, hey, go get yourself a diagnosis, because if you have it, you will need help. I promise you. I have a fairly close member in my family who’s been through this journey. I’ve watched it. It can be very, very arduous. Yes, you want to have help. This is not something that’s easily done on your own.

BELINDA: That’s exactly right. I mean, I got my diagnosis. My doctor said to me, Belinda, you’ve got celiac disease and you just need to eat gluten-free. I can still hear his words. You just need to eat gluten-free. So I went off and I tried to figure it out. I made sure all the food in my kitchen was safe, but I didn’t realize that I had to change my toaster or use separate chopping boards or be careful when I ate out. I didn’t realize it was that intense. No one ever told me that.

I went to a dietitian who literally sat on the Internet and googled, what is celiac disease? And printed me a booklet that he found online. And I could have sat at home and done that myself and kept my $150. So, he wasn’t an expert. And this is why I wanted to help people with celiac disease, because I didn’t get the help that I needed. And this is not uncommon these days. This is 15 years ago, and even today, I get people come to me and tell me that my story is their story and the same thing has happened to them. They were told to just eat gluten-free, and it’s not that easy. So, not much has changed in the 15 years since my diagnosis.

MARTIN: Yeah. The detective skills that you have to acquire are daunting, and also the assertiveness that you must learn to display. That’s not easy because you need to be a bit of an abrasive person in order to get your way.

BELINDA: Yes, it’s definitely a big part of having confidence. So, in my course, the ultimate celiac system, I take newly diagnosed celiacs all the way from the beginning, to the end of what they need to do to live with celiac disease. And it’s also designed for people that have had celiac disease but are struggling. And in that program, I teach people that they do need to be confident when they’re ordering out. They do need to ask the right questions. There’s a process to go through when you are ordering food, because so many people tell me they go out and they get glutened and they get angry, and they feel so annoyed at their servers because they got glutened. But then when I asked them, did you say this? Did you check this? Did you do all of the things that you needed to? Oh, no, I didn’t. It’s like, well, if you do these things, you have less chance of getting sick, and you have that time.

BELINDA: I’ve traveled the world since I got my celiac disease diagnosis, and not once have I been glutened. I’ve been to multiple countries, and most of them, English is not their first language. So it’s learning these little tricks and techniques of making sure that the food you get is safe and that they’re looking after you.

MARTIN: As you’re describing, I’m thinking of dating. Visualize yourself as a teenager or whatever age you want to be, and you’re in on the dating scene, and you are, especially a woman, so vulnerable. Right? I mean, you could end up pregnant, but you could end up with STD. You could end up with a person who’s going to be violent with you. You could just be in all manner of trouble. And it’s like that. You’re taking your life in your hands, really.

BELINDA: Yeah.

MARTIN: Right.

BELINDA: That is a really good way of putting it, actually, Martin. So it’s having that trust initially, definitely. But having your wits about you. There are red flags when you’re dating, and there are red flags when you’re eating out. So you’ve got to look out for those red flags. You’ve got to be on top of the way people are reacting to you. So I always say to my students and my clients as well, if you’re ordering a gluten-free meal and someone is a bit blasé in their answers or they’re not confident, that’s a red flag right there. You need to send that person to the chef and get the answers that you need.

MARTIN: Okay, so can you be a little bit of celiac, sort of like a little bit pregnant, or is it all in?

BELINDA: No. So the thing with celiac disease is you’ve either got celiac disease or you don’t. It’ll never go away. So once you’ve got celiac disease, that’s it. You’ve got it for life. Until they get a cure, if they come up with a cure. But everybody is different. So my mom has celiac disease, my brother has celiac disease.

We are all very different. So for me, one of my symptoms is chronic diarrhea if I accidentally consume gluten, whereas my mom is the opposite, she gets constipation. So you can’t kind of look at it and go, everyone’s the same. But then there’s some people that have celiac disease that are asymptomatic, which means they have no symptoms whatsoever, which is really hard, because those people tell me that they find it the hardest to be strict because they don’t feel rubbish. So for me, I would never consume gluten on purpose. I would never, ever go “oh, I just really feel like having this delicious chocolate doughnut because I miss them.”

BELINDA: I wouldn’t do that because the pain would not be worth it. Whereas people that don’t have any symptoms, like, what have I got to lose? So they have to really know in their head that, hey, this might cause further issues down the track. So, yeah, we’re all different. And that’s where some people do get a fluke diagnosis. So it’s an interesting one.

MARTIN: How do we sort out the people that are listening to it from “I think I need it”, or, “no, that’s not me”. What do you think? I would like to help deliver some sort of a tool here that says, pay attention. This is not something to pass.

BELINDA: I think the biggest thing is if you are living with symptoms that you’ve never been able to pinpoint, you’ve never been able to get answers for, maybe you’ve seeked the help of a naturopath or a doctor, or you’ve spoken to someone, and no one can really pinpoint what it is that’s causing your issues. You can just request a test for getting a celiac disease test, and it’s as simple as that, and then you can at least rule it out. Because if you can rule it out, you know it’s not that. But if it is celiac disease, then you can start to eat gluten-free and feel better. And it’s one of those things that we were talking about earlier, Martin, where we get used to feeling a certain way. So, for me, my symptoms started very slowly, and over time, they got worse and worse, and I just got used to it. And it wasn’t until my family members pointed out to me that I didn’t look well. I didn’t look healthy. I wasn’t really coping, and I wasn’t my normal, healthy self. We kind of live in pain and get used to it. So if you are living an unhealthy kind of way, you might have brain fog, you might have lethargy, you might feel fatigued all the time. You might have this heaviness or an unexplained cough. If you’ve got a child that is failing to thrive, I was talking to a lady the other day, and her daughter got diagnosed with celiac disease six months ago. She goes, I can’t believe how much she’s growing now, she’s just shot up. And it’s because her body is absorbing the nutrients that she needs to grow now, whereas she wasn’t before.

BELINDA: So you might get sick all the time, you know, your body’s not absorbing the nutrients you need to be healthy.

MARTIN: Yeah. So how old was this child?

BELINDA: I think she was about nine. So she’d suffered for a little while with symptoms, but she wasn’t growing. So that’s a big sign in children if they’re quite little. So, people go “oh, they’re just little” or “oh, they don’t grow much.” That can be a major sign of celiac disease because the body is not absorbing the nutrients from the food that they’re eating. They may be hungry all the time, constantly wanting to eat because their body is starving for nutrients. So that can be a symptom as well.

MARTIN: Yes. I’m thinking of the more common things like osteoporosis. Of course, you’ll be losing minerals because of it. All the inflammatory diseases, whether it’s cardiovascular or joints or you name it, all of that can be indeed pushed from there.

BELINDA: Yeah. Joint pain is a big one. That’s always a lot of people’s symptoms, if they accidentally get gluten, they’ll tell me as well that they feel that achiness. It’s almost like the way I look at it with my symptoms, I go, it’s like being pregnant and having the flu and also food poisoning all rolled into one. Just throw all those into one. And that’s how I feel. So it’s awful. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

MARTIN: No, we don’t. Okay, so the story is, if you have problems that are not being solved, get diagnosed, check your blood for transglutaminase, and right next after that, get your genetic diagnosis. If you have already done the 23 or me or ancestry or something like that, it will be in that file. It’ll be buried inside it.

BELINDA: Yeah. And if you’ve got a direct relative that has got celiac disease, so whether that’s a parent, child, or a sibling, you should definitely be getting tested anyway. There are many people that have got a direct relative and they just go, no, I’m not getting tested because I don’t want to know about it. But then someone like my brother, who struggled for years with symptoms, and I said to him constantly, you need to get tested for celiac disease. No, no, no, no. And then it got to a point he couldn’t handle it anymore and he went and got a diagnosis.

MARTIN: Yeah, this is the famous “ostrich method of healthcare.”

BELINDA: Yep.

MARTIN: Head in the sand.

BELINDA: Yeah, exactly.

MARTIN: Okay. All right. I’m looking at your website here on the side here. So you have a six month program to take somebody from. I don’t know what to do. Right. The reason people want to talk to you is when they are dumped into this world of, well, you are celiac.

BELINDA: Yeah.

MARTIN: And it’s not going to be simple.

BELINDA: Yes, that’s right.

MARTIN: The world is conspiring against you in ways you have no idea how hard it is.

BELINDA: Yeah, you’re exactly right. Yeah. And what’s making it hard as well is some people are eating gluten-free because it’s trendy or they think it’s a diet and it makes it look bad for those of us that legitimately need a real safe, celiac safe meal. So those people do make it a little bit trickier. Yes. We have more options for eating out, but they make it a little bit trickier for those of us with celiac. So I always say to my students, make sure when you’re ordering, you tell your server that you have got celiac disease so that people take you more seriously as well. So there’s all these little steps and little tricks that we need up our sleeve.

MARTIN: Okay, sounds good. Belinda, where do we send people on your website? And what is the website?

BELINDA: So. Belindawhelan.com.

MARTIN: So, okay, I’ll put it in the show notes.

BELINDA: Yep. Pop that in the show notes. That’d be great. So, yeah, if anyone wants to connect with me, that’s the best place to head to. It’s got links to my podcast, which is the ‘Healthy Celiac Podcast’, Instagram, on all the socials and that type of thing. So, yeah, that’d be great to connect with people there. And if they want to have a chat with me, they’re more than welcome to send me a DM over on Instagram as well.

MARTIN: Wonderful. It’s such a pleasure to meet you, and I’m really happy to be able to introduce you to our audience. Many of them will need you.

BELINDA: Yeah, I’m sure there’ll be some brains ticking over and people thinking about these symptoms and whether it could be affecting them. So I appreciate you allowing me to share with your audience, Martin. I really appreciate it.

MARTIN: Thank you for taking the time.

BELINDA: Thank you.

MARTIN: This is Martin Pytela, life-enthusiast.com. You can phone us, too, at 866-543-3388. Thank you.

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Podcast 488: Mental Health Warrior

We are very excited to introduce Bruce Schutter to share his transformative journey through the depths of mental health challenges—bipolar disorder, anxiety, and alcoholism, which in turn led him to create the  ‘Mental Health Warrior Program.’  This program focuses on mindset, emotional and lifestyle adjustments such as nutrition and exercise, advocating for emotional empowerment rather than reliance on medication. Bruce, alongside Martin Pytela, emphasizes the strong link between mental and physical health, offering listeners the ‘warrior tools’ they need to regain control of their well-being. We hope this podcast connects with those facing challenges or anyone who knows someone in need of support

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MARTIN: Greetings. This is Martin Pytela for Life Enthusiast podcast. And with me today is Bruce Schutter. And we’re introducing Bruce because he is the mental health warrior and he is helping people get back on the track. Bruce, welcome to the show.

BRUCE: Thank you. Thanks for having me.

MARTIN: Oh, pleasure. As usual, it’s the story of the fallen hero who overcomes, right?

BRUCE: Yes, it is. Yes. And I certainly have the story of the fall. But then the mental warrior program or taking care of our mental health is the journey upwards.

MARTIN: Well, that’s the whole point, right? 

BRUCE: Exactly.

MARTIN: My story is not that different. Mine was more about physical health, but take a pick. Right?

BRUCE: Yep. No, no, but I was going to second it. As your mental health deteriorates, your physical health, your choices on foods and exercise, of course, all fall off the map. And so my physical health was no better than my mental health.

MARTIN: Right. Well, and it’s tied. Right. Like, you would hear me talk about nutrition and how what you put into your body will truly control your physiology. And so, it’s sometimes hard to know where the chicken or the egg is or the horse and the cart. What was the primal mover here? Was it the nutrition or was it something, some dysregulation in the body itself?

BRUCE: Correct. Right. And then you have, as I found, you have your mental health challenges. But alongside of, like we said, the nutrition, poor eating, I’m starting to have physical health problems, which certainly didn’t help my body working well. So kind of, in my mind, made the mental health problems even worse as my blood pressure skyrocketed, cholesterol, all sorts of additional things the doctors are trying to help you with. And it’s just, like you said, one giant connection and a big ball of problems going down the hill fast.

MARTIN: Okay, well, maybe just to give the listener a bit of an overview, explain why you have the authority on what you’re teaching people now. 

BRUCE: Sure. Yeah, we did kind of jump into it there. So it started out when I was in high school, and I knew there were some challenges. I knew some things were different. I only seemed to know the emotional ends of the spectrum. I was always really very motivated or that manic type side or a complete depression. I was filled with anxiety all the time, but over the top that it would stop me from doing things. Walking in a room with friends, even was anxiety filled, which nobody else seemed to have. And as I went along, I’m still doing things. But you’re trying to figure out there’s no information out there, what’s going wrong, what’s happening, and along the way I’m doing life things. So while I was in high school, I joined and became a rescue squad, a local tech, and then became an emergency medical technician. So I’m going out on calls. I like to say at this point, I’m jumping into life’s deep end into the pool, and I’m not even prepared to handle where I’m at in high school.

MARTIN: Yeah, this is, this is really interesting because you’re exposing yourself to essentially PTSD material.

BRUCE: Exactly.

MARTIN: While you’re totally not ready to handle that. Right?

BRUCE: Right. And the thing was, most people that I worked with, and it was a volunteer, and we had all sorts of accidents, calls, all the situations that were horrible that were trying to help people through or save their lives, literally, and nobody really knew what to do about it. It wasn’t even just tied to my age or just me. So that kind of added where people really didn’t know how to process emotions nobody talked about, because this was years ago. And so, like you said, it was kind of that perfect storm starting. And my challenges just kept growing, not even knowing I had them, not knowing I was diagnosed bipolar. And I turned to ways to use short term solutions, so I turned to alcohol as a way to tamp down the feelings or just not deal with them, I like to call it.

BRUCE: I was trying to do anything I could to avoid my emotions. And sometimes, I mean, I was doing a million things, because if you keep busy, you can also avoid emotions. So this went along.

MARTIN: These words are really interesting. Right? Like, you have people called alcoholics and workaholics and sexaholics and whatever “holics”. Which, of course, it’s just is a play on words, but, yeah, distraction, right?

BRUCE: Yes, exactly. And again, it’s all even the mental health challenges are centered on emotions, and when you don’t know how to handle them. I didn’t even know how to handle the anxiety or ways to do that. I’m looking for short term ways, basically just to get through the day, get through that situation, which is not managing it, not being able to enjoy life. And that went along. I went to college, whole challenge of things. Like you said, I’m learning from high school now to college, then out into the workforce. And along the way, it’s like I see a little line of my challenges creeping up as they’re taking over more and more of my life and more of my decisions. And by the time I got out in the workforce, it’s like I described it to a lot of people. The surface picture looked great. You go out, you graduate college, you go get a job. I’m meeting people, I got married, bought a house, things like that. But inside, I’m crumbling, and it’s like this huge downward slope while the other one’s going up. So I’m not enjoying anything, I’m not being able to handle things. I know I could do better at things if I wasn’t filled with that anxiety which, again, transfers with you into, like, work, meetings, travel. So all those life challenges along with these untreated mental health challenges, I am just crumbling to a point where at a certain point, after 20 years of this, I like to say it really controlled my life. And along the way, I’m starting to get a little bit of diagnosis, but no real action on it, no real information, even. And what happened was I got to a point, 20 years in, where I felt so powerless and had no forward way to even deal with these challenges, even the little bit I knew that I decided to try and end it all. I tried to end my life. That’s where it took me to. And I just want to say it because that was the bottom of feeling powerless and no way forward.

MARTIN: And so this is like your late thirties kind of thing?

BRUCE: This is at age 40. And I’d gone on long enough white knuckling and holding on to life, trying to get through things again. I’m still doing things. I’m not falling apart on the surface, but I’m falling apart every night. I’m struggling every day, every activity. And at that point, I got a second chance at life. And that’s what started this whole idea of, I got to find a solution. And after some internal looking, I realized the solution was the same thing that was causing all my problems. I said, wait, emotions, they have that much power to bring me down. They must have the power to show me life and bring me up. And if I could manage all of them, well, isn’t that at the core of mental health challenges, life challenges, like we’re saying? And so I started building for myself and then for others, this program, this Mental Health Warrior Program. And that came about because the first thing I wanted to do was, to myself even, was to tell people, mental health is not a weakness, and mental health challenges are not a weakness. And so I thought, a mental health warrior stands tall. A good warrior, ready for battle. We step up to the plate. And I thought that’d be a great way to introduce it and start to say, look at what we can do. The neat part is the whole idea was because I had gone through all sorts of traditional methods.  And even at the point of when I finally got diagnosed with bipolar and that you’d get put on a lot of meds, it’s the first thing everybody reacts to.

MARTIN: So you did do that? You took pharmaceuticals?

BRUCE: Yeah, I did. I went to therapy. I went through every med in the book because of the side effects, the problems. It took years trying to even get stable. But then I realized everything I was trying kind of had a dead end to it. There was no, how am I going to graduate past this? How am I going to go live life when I’m either tied to all the side effects of meds or.

MARTIN: Yeah, well, the pharmaceuticals have no end. They are just treating the surface problem, not the cause of it.

BRUCE: Exactly. And I thought, there has to be a way we can get the power ourselves. And that was the whole idea of this Mental Health Warrior Program is a self help program. So a self help approach, meaning, what can we do in our life? And I started looking around my life, too, at the same time, and realizing lifestyle changes, mindset changes that I could make, that I could build on, that would strengthen me. And they became warrior tools. They became areas that helped me deal with bipolar disorder, alcoholism, and anxiety disorder. And as I started to build all of this program, I realized that it was so impactful to me and what I could do myself and actually what I do every day with this, through all of those self help approaches or all those tools, I wanted to bring it to everybody. So that’s kind of why we’re talking today.

BRUCE: Cause I wanted to show everybody. It’s amazing.

MARTIN: Yeah, you’re echoing my story.

MARTIN: I ended my career in business management and computer science and became a health coach because this was more interesting to me because I could help others in a more important way than just helping somebody make more money.

BRUCE: Right. And that’s so funny. I forgot we were both in the IT field. I was in there on all different levels for 17 years, working on projects, doing development, leading projects. Then the same thing. I felt this had a lot more impact. And I tried to weave in things as I tried to work on my sobriety in my new life. I got certified, like, as a health coach. I got certified as a personal trainer and then nutrition coach. And that opens some doors of more self help things we can do where I know we’re on the same page. And this allowed me to build this program where now I have nine different books. And each one, like the first book, is my story. And a little bit like some structure of how to be a warrior and some key components of where you start building your power, you know, how you take back that control. And then a lot of the other books, I view them as the warrior weapons. And we have things like mindset rules that I created, and there’s a library of 53 of them I have in this book that I used to remind myself to stay out of trouble and get out of trouble. They’re simple things like that we forget because we get so busy, technology and everything’s pinging and going on.

BRUCE: Mindset rule two is simply learn to respond, not react. And that was a big one for me, because, of course, I would react, go back to those old solutions, jump back to drinking, hide from my emotions. So those are some of the fun tools I created that we can use to build that mindset. And then I tried to build, and again, where we are on the same page here. Then I started seeing other things like foods and the nutrition angle and how much that affects your mental health, as well as that physical-mental health connection, because if we feed bodies better and we exercise and use better foods, we improve our physical health, which in turn helps our mental health. And again, all the different benefits I found through researching things, or food benefits for mental health, it’s just amazing to me.

MARTIN: Yeah, I could echo that. Of course, we understand how the combinations of the macronutrients will affect the internal pH, which in turn will affect the. Whether you’re drifting into acidity, which is associated with anxiety and nervousness and all that, or drifting toward alkalinity, which is associated with procrastination and despondence and depression. And you can be anywhere on that spectrum. Like, you can be swinging just by what you eat. You can bring yourself from one side to the other. And if you don’t know or don’t understand or don’t have the awareness of that, you’re just wondering, what happened? Why did it happen?

BRUCE: Right, right.

MARTIN: It’s in front of our eyes, but it’s not being offered in the mainstream because it doesn’t serve their purpose. They want to sell you a bottle of pills.

BRUCE: Right. And again, I feel like we. A lot of what I’m trying to bring to people’s awareness is all the things that are in front of us. Like, I feel a lot of times the answers, like my own answer of realizing my mental health was at the core of everything, and that was my problem slash solution. But then things like foods, where we’re eating those foods every day, our mindset that we go into things, you know, that. That pre-work we may do before we get in the car and get into traffic and get stuck and then get frustrated. Boy, we took 2 seconds to center ourselves, what an amazing outcome. Same with what you’re saying if we pick some better foods.

MARTIN: Yeah. And your statement about respond versus react, I mean, it’s a major, major thing, right? If you just take three breaths and count to something and just. Okay, well, what does this really mean?

BRUCE: Right. And it helps.  One of the things I create as part of the program, so I have the books, is from other groups. I noticed they always have something you can carry with them, from the group to remind you. So I created a mental health warrior challenge coin because I had done some consulting with the military, and they had the challenge coin representing, we overcame this challenge, or I was here type of thing, and they could carry it around. So I thought it’d be great to have one of those. And I put on the back some warrior wisdom. I have different ones, but the first one I did was respond, not react. And I literally carry it around, and people say they also carry it, friends and family have used it and people have carried it, and they take it to a meeting or something. Again, it’s so important. If we just take that pause, get a better answer, a better outcome.

MARTIN: Fair enough. So you now have distilled all of this into a graduated program, or how do you deliver it?

BRUCE: Well, right now the program is basically in all the different books. I have a cornerstone book, which is “I triumphed over bipolar, alcoholism, and anxiety disorder by becoming a mental health warrior.” And then I lay out the different components. There’s four components to keep it straightforward but powerful, and then the additional books. And then what I’m trying to do is eventually, I would like to work with people directly, but right now I’m trying to bring awareness of it. So I’m doing my own podcast, writing articles and things like that to get people where what they can do. So I’m trying to get them to take action, and we’re trying to bring it out through the books as a way you can take in the information at your own pace, bring it to your life again, fit it in, whichever works. And part of what I’m doing, too, is with the variety of books, is they’re on different topics, so certain areas might appeal to you more. And there were certain things I found. One of them I called this one book, it’s the one bag life, and it’s about less stuff, more experiences, because I had. And we had gathered so many material goods and so many things, and I realized half of my anxiety came from needing more or taking care of the million things we never got to use or felt we needed. I thought that would be a great thing to bring to people’s attention and show how that positively affects your mental health.

MARTIN: Well, and one of the symptoms of mental illness is hoarding. And part of the hoarding problem is you could be hoarding all kinds of stuff. You could be hoarding material things or just a segment, like books or magazines or, I don’t know, software or games or whatever. Pick a thing. And this hoarding just is blocking you from having a life. And you’re saying it really well.

BRUCE: And again, it’s interesting what you brought up. You could even have so many activities or so many commitments that you get caught up into that constant being busy. And I felt like all I did was take care of things or go to things and never enjoy them. You know, I never got to what was important, like you’re saying. And so a big part of that book is, again, to step back as, one of the warrior components is to find your values, because if you go after everything and you’re not clear on your path, well, it makes it very difficult to have a solid emotional center, because you’re going after everything, and you need to figure out what’s important to you, and that will go a long way. Like, I had to myself that it wasn’t all these material goods. And the whole point of the book was, it’s really about experiences, you know, all the things you can do in life.

MARTIN: It’s really interesting. In reflecting on my life, I’m looking back, I’m thinking, I so wish I had a coach back when that would help me understand, first of all, the process of sorting through what’s important and why. I was never asked the important questions. I was never taught how to learn to. I was never taught how to think. I was never taught how. Like, I had to learn it the hard way. And you’re describing it when you’re talking about your teenage years and your growing up time. It was just like you were thrown at it and you were flailing at it, really, hoping somehow that it will sort itself out. And if you had your today’s version of yourself talking to you about what really matters, your life would have been so much better.

BRUCE: Yeah. And that’s one of the things I’m trying to do too, is I give talks to groups and things on these various topics because at all different age levels, it’s interesting. I’ll talk to a group and it can be at a business company talk, but they also really like the idea of less stuff, more experiences, because they see that’s part of that whole balance of what you want to do in life. And you’re right. I wish I had known all of that now, but I’m going to bring it out to everybody today. 

MARTIN: Yeah, this is the good part. Whoever’s listening to this, you can see two guys who are past midlife who have done the hard work and can pass it on. So if you’re finding yourself wondering why things aren’t as good as they could be, this may be because you didn’t have a guide. And I promise you that having a coach is worth its money in gold because the coach will be able to see where your gaps are and help you overcome that.

BRUCE: Yep. It’s always, always that outside perspective and people need that too. And I completely agree, too, because I like to tell people it’s never too late and there’s never too many problems because I use that as an example too, because all that time as an EMT and that, that kept coming back to me. And the PTSD from that, from the experiences and literally having someone die in your hands, especially when you’re 18 years old, you really don’t know how to process that. And it took me years to figure that out, which caused so much of the problems too, along the way. So I just want to always tell people, just like you’re saying it’s never too late. And then you can turn the corner and it’s fantastic what you can do, especially with mental health and how you can. Embracing emotions, to me, has allowed me to finally, I call it, I get the full life experience.

BRUCE: Before I was staying on little narrow paths because I was trying to avoid all the emotions. And now I’ve done things and I’m doing things that I couldn’t even imagine I could have done. And you probably feel the same way. Some days you look and think, wow, like, I’m doing this today, but boy, ten years ago, no.

MARTIN: Yeah, all that.

BRUCE: Yeah.

MARTIN: Okay. So, Bruce, how do people access all these beautiful experiences that they can have with you? I understand. Well, let’s start from the website, right?

BRUCE: Yep. So the website’s Bruce Schutter and it’s schutter. BruceSchutter.com. Also, I tell people you can just type in “mental health warrior program” and it’ll bring you to the website. So I’ve created that as like the central hub that has links to my podcast. I have a free book to get people started, newsletter, things like that that I’m starting. So all that information is there. And then the books and things like that are up on Amazon, but it links from there. That’s like the best spot to go to. Or, the best part, too, as I’m sure you know, is any of the social media places. I have a presence on that with the mental health warrior program or Bruce Schutter, so you can go there.

I try to keep people updated on what’s going on, tell them about new podcasts or new articles, always trying to bring in some new action tips people can take. So that’s definitely the best way to start to take advantage of all that. And there’s also then just like any website, you can have a contact form and things like I do speaking engagements, and right now we’re not doing like one on one that may come down the road, but it’s just really the hub for all the resources to get you started. And I try to provide a variety of things to keep people interested.

BRUCE: And then I have my podcast with shorter episodes to get you interested in what you can do as a warrior or if you like to read better, I have a free book and you can get started with tools in there. So I want to make sure I cover all the bases.

MARTIN: Yeah, well, that’s good, because it’s the way you’re doing it. Makes it affordable.

BRUCE: Yes, and that’s something we had talked about and everything with everything before, with some of the things I went through with the therapy and the meds and all of that. I’m very aware, too, of the cost of healthcare and the cost these days, especially in the mental health areas. And one of the things I’m trying to do is offer with this idea of self-help, is you can go and buy a book. I like to say for the cost of going to lunch, you could buy a book and get started on taking care of your mental health and learn things you can do each day, which I find so amazing. And I think that’s what’s kind of needed, as I always describe it, as there’s the top level when you need professional help and you need, certain times you need that help at the very top level. But what do we do to get started? You know, where’s that bottom level where everybody personally can just get started on things. And I’m trying to reach out to that level and get people to accept things, to be able to say, hey, it’s okay to have problems. You know, all the things we’re talking about openly, a lot of people are still struggling with, and I want to help out with that too. To get them to say it’s okay. And then getting a book and reading things about what you can do, I believe will empower people and that will keep pushing them to learn more and do more.

MARTIN: Yeah, well, many of us can be our own therapists, really, the solution is, you already said it, but the solution is in taking the gap and realizing, oh, hold on, I’m not going to react from the whatever it is that’s driving my silly or bad decisions and I’m going to just switch over to the other side and you can see it, like, I don’t want to talk to the crazy part of me today, I want to talk to the together part of me today and see what that wood suggest for me to do.

BRUCE: Yes.

MARTIN: And again, you’re explaining it well.

BRUCE: People always ask, too. I always like to throw in this scenario of, great to have all that outside help, but what do you do when it’s two in the morning and you wake up and your mind’s racing or maybe that depression has crept in and you feel like, oh, my life is not worth living. And I’m like, that’s where that self empowerment, that piece like we’re talking about is so important because we need to have that power ourselves. We need to feel more in control. And throughout the days, just like you’re saying. I know we keep using the word, but it’s so empowering that if you start taking care of your personal life, then your interactions at work, your interactions with friends and family, they can grow on that. And the best part is, I found it’s kind of like once you open the door, it’s amazing because you can start talking to more and more people about it. And that’s a sharing that I know we need with mental health because we don’t want to talk about too much.

BRUCE: But the more we do it, I find myself in amazing conversations in places, in line at a supermarket, talking about mental health to somebody because I happen to wear it on my shirt. And that’s a great piece of empowerment to be able to have an open conversation just like we’re doing. But we set this up, those are the unplanned bonuses.

MARTIN: Well, I especially appreciate the fact that you are helping people to help themselves. It’s so easy to throw a $6,000 program on the wall and just let the really rich people come to you and just help them as a private coach. But that catches only a few. What you’re doing, I think is really important because it’s at the level of everyone. There’s not a soul on the planet that cannot afford to participate at your level, the way you’re bringing it in and because of your lived experience, the way you’re putting it, and the way of understanding and just how organized your mind is and that you’re able to actually structure it for a person is that there’s no doubt in my mind that you will help a lot of people. All they have to do is just allow you into their life.

BRUCE: Thank you. And I find it amazing because I keep learning more things myself and then putting them into additional books. I started out with this a little bit, but mindfulness. And that fed into mindfulness along with cooking as a way. We already talked about how important it is to choose the right foods. But even doing cooking and enjoying the smells and your creation of a nice meal, what a wonderful thing I never had before. And you benefit across the board.

MARTIN: It’s known as walking meditation. Well, in this walking meditation, you’re actually cooking in your kitchen. And the process itself. Right. Like, instead of considering it as a struggle and something that you hate doing, and instead run into some fast food restaurant to grab something on the way. If you can just devote 2 hours of your life to the shopping and the prep and the doing, and you will have a fantastic experience and you will be actually more healthy, mentally healthy, and physically healthy at the end of this.

BRUCE: Right, exactly. And that’s where I made the book I was talking about, the three food rules of the mental health warrior. They’re very straightforward because I believe sometimes we get too complicated and it’s a little hard to sustain it then. But it’s low carb, no sugar, and then less processed, minimally processed foods. And if you follow those guidelines, like you said, you could go to a supermarket, it’s fairly straightforward. I mean, there’s details obviously, behind all of them. You know, how many grams of carbs, things like that. But you get the idea that you can make some great choices and then that comes home. Then you could use the preparation to help you work through some of your mental health issues. Racing thoughts and things calms me down with cooking. Again, I’ve tried to put some of that in as tools that people can use, and then again, all of that builds up to where you are now taking action, like you said, every day. And it just keeps building, which is fantastic, because what I found it allows people to do, and the people I’ve talked to is that you start building on that, and then you take your life and say new directions that you thought, oh, I couldn’t go there. And funny enough, life throws you some more challenges because you’re taking on something new, but you’re prepared to handle it, and you kind of keep stepping up and building the blocks.

MARTIN: Yeah, it’s well put. Because if you know that you can learn cooking from nothing, then you can also learn airplane building, or you can learn, I mean, pick anything. You can learn to play a musical instrument. All you have to do is just say, okay, how is this done?

BRUCE: Right, right. Or even maybe you’re cooking. Funny enough, I found this is a funny one, but your cooking gets you to share with people, and next thing you know, you’re talking to more people, which helped my social anxiety a lot. And that was fantastic, because now I found I have a connection with people talking about foods and cooking and things like that.

MARTIN: Right. And then you decide, okay, I’m learning Thai food and Ukrainian food and whatever else.

BRUCE: Right, right, exactly.

MARTIN: And then. Then you have to go to, I don’t know, what cultural center for the Serbians and say, well, how do you do proper serbian food? And you meet Serbian people.

BRUCE: Yeah. But then you’ve gained a whole new interest, and at the same time, that boosts your mental health and your ability to handle your challenges. I mean, it certainly gives you a solid ground when my bipolar is still going to send me. I didn’t have a magic wand because I became a mental health warrior and say, well, no more bipolar or no more anxiety and no more PTSD, but I can manage wherever it sends me. So if it sends me into depression, I have my tools and ways for that. And if it goes to the other end, I can handle that and keep it under control. And I found it amazing because basically, I love to say we gain back the power, all that power I gave up over those years, I found I could have it back. And then, therefore, your challenges, they really don’t become as scary, and they lose all that control over your life, which is amazing.

MARTIN: Yeah. I think we may as well end it on this note, saying, okay, look, folks, this is a very well put together, affordable, well structured program that helps anyone grow up. So if you yourself have struggled, great. If you have someone in your circle of influence that you see struggling, just introduce them. This stuff is worth, well I don’t know how to put it, but experience is in gold, right?

BRUCE: And I.

MARTIN: Go ahead.

BRUCE: No, I was just going to say I always end up telling people, if you’re struggling yourself, use my story, like we said, never too late. You could have a lot of challenges like I do. I just happen to pick up a lot of them through genetic lottery, whatever. But you can triumph over them. You can keep moving forward and you can. You can triumph as a warrior over all those challenges.

MARTIN: Awesome. Okay, so www.BruceSchutter.com  Go there. Bruce, Thank you. This is so much worth our time.

BRUCE: Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Had a lot of fun talking.

MARTIN: This is Martin Pytela, life-enthusiast.com. Thank you.

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Podcast 487: Master Peace Clinical Study (Part 1)

Martin Pytela sits down with Matt Hazen from Human Consciousness Support to explore groundbreaking discoveries in the battle against environmental toxins. Matt shares insights from a recent study of 24 participants, investigating the effects of “forever chemicals” like lead, mercury, and graphene oxide have on our health. Together, they reveal the alarming rise in industrial toxins and introduce Master Peace, a natural solution aimed at helping the body detoxify and regain balance. Join us for an in-depth discussion on how we can reclaim our health in a polluted world, and don’t miss part two, where the study results will be revealed.

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MARTIN: Hi, everyone. This is Martin Pytela for Life Enthusiast and with me today, Matt Hazen of Human Consciousness Support. We get the Master Peace product from Matt. And I am so grateful for this association. Welcome, Matt.

MATT: Hi, Martin. Always good to talk to you.

MARTIN: Yeah, Matt, I am just so impressed with you for, never mind all the anecdotal stories that we are getting from the field. I mean, my own included, people getting better, people having positive experiences. But you are really stepping it up, putting out real clinical, scientific, measurable data, right?

MATT: Absolutely. Yeah. What we need to do, as an entire population, is learn how to be critical thinkers again. We’ve been programmed to believe the authority figures are the doctors a lot of times and what not, instead of looking for the data and evidence and analysis, which are ironclad facts. And so we’re real excited. And today we’re actually going to get a chance to show people what is our baseline, our beginning results to a study with 24 people. It’s really important that people see with their eyes and get to take this information in so they can understand the world that they live in and how best to maintain and thrive and have their best health in today’s unique times.

MARTIN: Okay. This totally makes sense. I have been talking about the tragedy of the Industrial Revolution. On one hand, we are getting all these wonderful conveniences. We have products that are really helping us live lives that are more comfortable, but at the same time, we are polluting the planet in a way that’s just. Well, I think we are hitting what I would call the inflection point, the critical mass, the toxic point, where all of a sudden things are going to get out of hand.

MATT: I agree. Yeah, we’re at a tipping point. We can look at not just human health and how the human race is in a worldwide health epidemic, but you can look at our woods, you can look at our ecosystem. Everything is showing trouble. And especially now that we’re looking at tested levels, we’re really going to see why. Well, it looks bad, but we’re going to really see why it’s looking that bad.

MARTIN: Yeah, I actually wanted to introduce this concept. I don’t know if, well, it’s worth sharing. And it’s this, the lethality of things. As in, what kills you. It’s known as the LD, as in lethal dose. Now, you can easily establish an LD. As in LD1 means that one out of a hundred dies from the dose. LD100 means everybody dies. And a lot of testing that’s done for drug companies is done on LD50, and that’s usually done with mice, not with people. But you administer a dose, and if 50 out of 100 die, that’s known as the LD50. Here’s the mental exercise I want everyone to get, which is this. When you combine LD1 of mercury with LD1 of lead, meaning kills 1 in 100. Kills 1 in 100. What do you think you get?

MATT: If I was going to guess, I would say it’s at least exponential, maybe 10 instead of 1.

MARTIN: Yeah. But the answer really is 100. Combining LD1 of Lead with LD1, of Mercury at the same time kills everybody because it’s this exponential amplification of the effect.

MATT: Yeah. It’s a synergistic- Yeah. It’s always the way it works, whether it’s good or bad, it’s how things work together.

MARTIN: Yeah. And so with the scientific method, as employed by pharmaceutical industry and chemical industry, tends to isolate things. They like to treat one thing at a time. They like to isolate the variables to one. But that’s false wisdom, because you don’t see it in its complexity. You’re missing the big picture.

MATT: That’s right. And they’ll tell you. They’ll admit that, yeah, lead’s bad, mercury’s bad, fluoride’s bad, chlorine’s bad. They won’t say, yeah, but they’re all together destroying our planet. And we need to make complete changes on how our industrial processes are really where it needs to start. First and foremost, all these exhaust fumes you’re bringing up maybe one of the biggest points that a lot of people don’t realize, which is when the industrial revolution started, we had all these combustion engines, petroleum based products, and when those exhaust fumes and refineries and chemical plants started having those harmful chemicals, we think they disappear, go away, because they’re microscopic. But that’s not the way it works. They’re called forever chemicals because they’re forever.

MATT: And they’re not just forever in the environment, as if they don’t get into you and other sentient beings. It gets into everything. So if something’s in the ocean and it’s poured into the ocean, in the Pacific Ocean, it ends up in the Atlantic Ocean if you give it enough time. And so when one person, two, three years ago, we wouldn’t see, we’ve seen graphene anomalies in very few people’s blood. Now they can’t do a live blood analysis anywhere in the world without seeing them, no matter how healthy the person is. So we’re dealing with the smorgasbord of toxicity, and we better get it under wrap before much further.

MARTIN: Yeah, you made actually a really cool point with the graphene oxide because there are some people who are making suggestions that it’s only in people who have been injected with things that have graphene oxide in it. But in fact, it’s in the environment. It’s in everyone.

MATT: Well, we’re going to prove different to them today, Martin, because we have a study with 24 people. 13 of them have been jabbed and eleven of them haven’t been. But when you actually look at their graphene oxide levels, also like their hydrogel, which is the carrier of the graphene oxide system, it doesn’t matter if they’ve been jabbed or not. Their levels are high. Some that haven’t been jabbed are much higher than some that have been. Yeah.

MARTIN: And this is the point I just tried to make, which is probably in the environment, in the water, in the food, in the air. It’s just in us. So we like to do the following. So this is a volume one or podcast one. We are actually just going to show you the baseline. We’re going to show you some examples of people who have already started on the test. This is just before they started on the product. They’ve been tested just to see where we are.

MATT: This is a medical study. This has an abstract methodology. This will be published in peer review. Every place that will allow us to publish it has been monitored by Doctor Robert Young, who’s done countless of these. And what we’re doing is we have 24 test subjects who, we take their blood levels and test the intracellular levels of forever chemicals, 27 of them. And what that means is, we took their blood to measure the inside the cell levels of things like fluoride, glyphosate, graphene oxide, mercury, different types of aluminum, there’s several of lead. And so we got the results and then we put them on Master Peace.

MATT: We have done an initial study, an initial pilot study, which was only with three people. We wanted to see how the results went out before we tried to take on something like this. There’s no other companies out there that are really challenging their products’ effectiveness and trying to show people a workable, feasible, affordable, simple, effective solution to be able to get these unnatural things out of their body. And so, you have a chart pulled up right here. And so instead of,

MARTIN: Let’s talk about this a wee bit. So we have. We are only showing five out of the 24 that you have done. The main point being here is that you’re really not sparing much of an expense. You’re going all in. This is not just a narrow test. This is a broad test.

MATT: We’re a brand new company, and this is costing us almost $200,000. We’re not even, we’re a year old. We don’t pay money in the marketing to try to have catchy sales pitches. We put our money into evidence. And so this is why we’re the first and only company that has done this. But also, Martin, these are intracellular levels. See how you see intracellular electrical capacity? Passing lymphocytes. We are also a part of the study, we’re not just taking the blood. We’re taking the urine and testing it for all the heavy metals. And the hair and testing it for all the heavy metals. So there’s nowhere for these toxins to hide. We’re going to see how they’re moving in. In the body and out.

MARTIN: Okay. So let’s just discuss what’s going to be on screen for a moment. And what I see here is, for one thing, it looks European by the units and the commas and the spellings. So good on you that you’ve actually taken it offshore to places where real science is actually still unaffected.

MATT: In America, there’s no labs that will test for any of this stuff.

MARTIN: Yeah. And so the other thing is, if you look at the line just going across, you will see that there is this evaluation of how bad we think this is, or they think this is. This is the actual value averaging four separate measurements. And over here is the value that’s the plus minus variance in it. So that gives you the precision of the confidence that we have in this value being accurate. So.

MATT: Yes. And to be clear, right before this study started, they did their yearly recalibration. And that’s why, when we look at those values, we see they’re very, very close. So every time they’re making a test so that everybody understands when we’re taking their blood and they’re testing it, which is obviously third party testing, they’re testing it four times and seeing, Making sure it all comes out the same. They double check themselves, too. And you can see how close their equipment is at testing. Yeah.

MARTIN: Right. So one other word should be here is that they show here tolerable. Borderline high. Very high. Which, you know, tolerable is not making you sick. Borderline may make you sick. High will probably make you sick. And very high will for sure make you sick.

MATT: Very high is a lot. Yeah. You’re starting to get off to where the cut off the machine is about 600.

MARTIN: So anyway, the point being is. So this is your typical sample. Persons, I don’t know their ages, are what, somewhere between 40 and 65?

MATT: 25 to 87

MARTIN: Oh, okay. All broad spectrum. Okay.

MATT: All different types of people. We know every single thing about them. There’s a four page sheet. We know their life story. Yes. 

MARTIN: Okay. Yeah. This has been, of course, anonymized. We don’t want to reveal them. But here’s an example. Right. So what is being tested?

MATT: So number one, that’s polyethylene glycol. That’s what you call hydrogel. Hydrogel is if you got a ballistic missile, it’s kind of like the rocket and the graphene oxide is the bomb on the end. And so hydrogel gets it in there. So you obviously don’t want that in your body. It’s plastic.

MARTIN: Well, speaking of which, PEG, polyethylene glycol is what is used in vaping solutions to make them absorbable.

MATT: Yeah. And transdermal medications. It’s very widely used in the pharmaceutical industry because it does what they want it to do. It brings to get stuff in there.

MARTIN: Yeah, yeah. It’s a vector, it’s a transport medium. So of course, aluminum, the euro spelling, studies show that high aluminum is associated with brain destruction.

MATT: All types of issues. Yeah.

MARTIN: Many issues. But aluminum is used either in cooking or in food packaging. But the worst part is that it’s used as an adjuvant in injections.

MATT: Yes. And they even put it in things like deodorant. You know, it’s what I call a super threat. Aluminum is a conductor. The way it works, it makes a lot of things. And it’s very paramagnetic. 

MARTIN: Yeah. Well, anyway, so this is going to be a list that we will not go through completely in every single arsenic. Well, it’s toxic. It killed Napoleon, it will kill many others.

MATT: Right.

MARTIN: Aspergillus, that’s a black mold.

MATT: Yep. Yep. Atrazine is a chemical, a gender dysphoria chemical where you have girls that think they’re boys, boys think they’re girls.

MARTIN: Yeah.

MATT: And so, you know, we want to see if Master Peace can get that down because that’s a problem in itself.

MARTIN: Right. Strong, strong statement. In fact, you see that in nature, right. These days frogs are hermaphroditic. Snakes, I just saw it on television yesterday. A male snake giving birth to babies. Well, go figure, right?

MATT: Yeah.

MARTIN: Anyway, barium, that’s. I’m not sure what it does, but.

MATT: It is a very harmful, heavy metal that is used in a lot of things. 

MARTIN: Right. So this thing, bisphenol, BPA, is plastic bottles. This is a plasticizer modifier. It’s in your plastic dishes. It’s not good for you. It will create the condition in your body that will be highly inflammatory.

MATT: Yeah, yeah. You can see this person here. They have high aluminum salts. They have high barium. They have real high chlorine. We’re looking at cesium 137. That’s a neurotoxin. That’s very harmful.

MARTIN: Yeah. Very, very bad. Okay.

MATT: If you look at fluor, f-l-u-or. That is fluoride. There’s three types of fluoride, to my knowledge, and they were testing for that. No one’s ever tested fluoride, right? So we’re having a lot of anecdotal claims from thousands of people with Master Peace.

MARTIN: Well, you skipped over. You skipped over a couple. Dioxin and ethylmercury. Those are the ones that really, really take you down.

MATT: Yes.

MARTIN: My own life story was taken down by mercury. And dioxin is terrible news. It’s neurotoxin in a terrible way.

MATT: We’re seeing high levels of mercury and lead throughout, people, basically.

MARTIN: Glyphosate, that’s the main ingredient in Roundup. Graphene oxide is what you mentioned a moment ago. Too much iron, too much lead, too much mercury. And look at that. These are perfluoro, octano, sulfon, octane, sulfion.

MATT: PFOS.

MARTIN: PFOS. These are teflon and his cousins.

MATT: Yes. Phosgene was supposed to be banned back in World War I. It’s so bad. Still around, people.

MARTIN: This is essentially the most neurotoxic gas. This phosgene.

MATT: Yes. And do you remember that train wreck in East Palestine?

MARTIN: Yeah.

MATT: And it was vinyl dichloride. Well, when you burn vinyl dichloride, it becomes phosgene.

MARTIN: Yeah. Dioxins and phosgene. Yep.

MATT: And then we can look at plutonium. I mean, that’s a scary word.

MARTIN: This is nuclear bomb explosions. Yeah.

MATT: So.

MARTIN: So that’s interesting that it’s has actually gotten to people where no nuclear weapon was exploded.

MATT: Right. Which proves that we’re in a, you know, whatever’s in the world, it’s in us.

MARTIN: Yeah. I don’t know. Maybe. Maybe Chernobyl released some of that. Maybe.

MATT: Yeah.

MARTIN: I don’t know. But anyway, polyethylene is your basic plastic stuff. Plastic bottles and plastic wrappings, packaging and all of that. PET, those are the hard bottles. And polypropylene, that’s another form of plastic. And titanium dioxide, that’s a filler that’s used in, well, a lot of nutritional supplements will use either silicon dioxide or titanium dioxide as a filler.

MATT: Yeah.

MARTIN: Titanium is not your buddy.

MATT: And all these things are forever chemicals. All of our bodies don’t know how to manage them or get them out. The more that they accumulate in the environment and the more generations we have of this ever accumulating toxins from the industrial revolution, we’re seeing the effects on their health. But what we need to all know is real simple. You were made correct by your creator. Your body is beautiful. It works great if it’s not toxic and polluted. And so what we need to know to do is real simple, get this stuff out faster than it’s coming back in until we can clean up the environment that we live in.

MARTIN: Okay, so let’s just flip through a few of these just to show you what we’re, what you are finding in people. So here is another one. And this one looks more toxic than the one we saw a moment ago. Like, there is hardly anything in green.

MARTIN: Everything’s too high. Everything. This person is probably quite unwell. And at number 4, look at that. We have, this one is less toxic. Many of these are tolerable. But the point is that there should be zero, not some. There should be none.

MATT: Martin, the first time, when we did our initial pilot study a little more than six months ago, and we took the people’s levels of graphene oxide and polyethylene glycol and what not. When we looked at the numbers of the baseline of our current study, the numbers have gone up in less than a year, by about 30%. So, we’re seeing an increase.

MARTIN: Yeah, that could be geographic, but I believe that you’re right in the estimation that time makes things worse because it’s around.

MATT: The initial pilot study was in the same place as half the people of this study. Half the people of this study are from United Kingdom, and the three people in the initial pilot study were from United Kingdom. So the levels are, yeah.

MARTIN: Okay. All right. And look at these awful numbers. I mean, this is just terrible.

MATT: Look at that arsenic. What is that person doing with their health thinking that it’s something else I bet you. Not having an idea they’ve just been poisoned to this extent.

MARTIN: Cesium is high, mercury is high. These other two mercury values very high. Yeah, not good.

MATT: The safe levels of all these things, as we said, is zero. That’s what’s the normal level if we have a normal, healthy environment and body. So, yeah, even numbers that are saying hundreds is causing problems.

MARTIN: So, I’m going to stop the screen share now to get your beautiful face back on the screen. So what we are, what we just saw is the beginning. This is the opening salvo, we are showing you that we, well Matt has and his team assembled people, tested them and found them to be toxic. The next conversation that we’re going to have, how long is it going to be before we see the final results?

MATT: We’re looking at about 60 days from now. And so we have a baseline, which we’ve completed. Then we do a 30 day test, we do a 60 day test, a 90 day test, the hair follicle test, the final one will be at 180 days. But we’ll have all the other results from the urinalysis and blood in about 60 days. Yes.

MARTIN: All right, so in a few months, we’re going to be coming back here with. And here is the. After the treatment or whatever we call it, after you have used this natural, God made, beautiful thing called Master Peace.

MATT: Right. We took two ingredients to help, very natural ingredients that have never shown any type of harmful side effects in people. You’re talking about purified, structured ocean water in the healthiest part of the ocean. So you’re talking about sea plasma and you’re talking about the most highest-sourced natural clinoptilolite zeolite. And so it’s a match made in heaven and we’re seeing very good results, but we want to back those results with real evidence. Right. A lot of people have a lot of fancy, good sounding testimonies.

MARTIN: Yeah. I mean, I have. I have had my own experience with the very clean clinoptilolite that you’re using as your source. That’s what dug me out of my hole, which.

MATT: Yes, that’s right. We have the same. Yes, that’s right. We have the same source on that. Yeah, yeah. It’s very impressive, by the way. I. We vetted it. When you’re talking about millivolts, charges, electromagnetic charges of things that zeolite, it has no comparison to it from all the places that we had vetted. It is superior.

MARTIN: Right. Yeah.

MATT: And it costs about ten times more than everybody else, by the way.

MARTIN: Yes, it does cost more.

MATT: About ten times. And it’s worth it. And we’d spend a hundred times. Because we made this thing to help humanity. Not to have a get rich quick scheme.

MARTIN: Yeah. Well, there’s a third ingredient which I really love. That’s the unspoken unknown, ORMUS experience in my body. Of course, you cannot analyze for ORMUS. You only know that you’re getting it because of how it makes you feel. There’s no chemical analysis or spectrographic analysis that I run to say, and I have ORMUS in here.

MATT: Right. But if you’re more connected, you do know if you’re telepathy, which are things that are now provable, if they’re increasing.

MARTIN: Well, my own experience, right, like, I’ve been in this since 1996. I have concentrated it from natural sources. I have picked it up from various places. And I have used it a lot. So I know when I’m getting it. Because I have the experience of it. And it’s in there.

MATT: That’s right.

MARTIN: And the main benefit of this ORMUS material. Is that it connects your higher consciousness to your physical expression. You will express the will of your creator through yourself with greater efficiency.

MATT: I totally agree. If you feel better, think better. And you’re more connected to your spiritual nature, which is a lot more important than your physical, which so many people can’t even get past the physical. Because they feel so bad, their bodies are so contaminated. And to be able to live a healthier life where you think better, you affect everything in your life and your world and your environment in a more positive way. And that is doing your part to make a better world. And Master Peace is doing that for people.

MARTIN: Right. One of the religious books that I’ve read is called a “Course in Miracles.” Not just read, I’ve lived it. And one of the statements in there is this: “Love reveals everything unlike itself.” Watch this. This is a statement that’s so loaded with meaning that it’s made difficult. When you put in something that’s made with love and carries the vibration of creation and love, it will reveal everything that’s unlike that. And I have been watching for the last while the dark force come out, trying to take Master Peace on.

MATT: Yes. From every angle conceivable. And Master Peace is a real game changer for this world. It is showing itself as having all the ability to do what we all were hoping would show up. Something that could work like this. And there’s a lot of places. There’s pharmaceutical industries. There’s alternative holistic practitioners and what not that tell people what protocols that they need to take a vast array of different supplements that they need to buy into and whatnot. But the fact of the matter is, like we were talking about. Our bodies if they’re healthy and they’re not polluted, they heal themselves. Nothing heals you other than your healthy body being able to heal itself. And Master Peace gets the junk out. It’s really simple. And it’s gentle and it’s effective. And you don’t have to go to an office somewhere.

And you don’t have to change your lifestyle habits. You don’t have to get up early and start a new workout. You don’t have to. You might feel better and you actually will probably start doing some of those things, but you don’t have to. And you’re going to be improving your holistic, well, life, which makes. Yeah, so it’s been really neat. We have like over 4000 testimonies, Martin. They’re the most amazing stories. I’m sure you get emails too, where people are like, I can’t believe that I’m experiencing this.

MARTIN: And yeah, I want to say it from this perspective. It’s known as the blocking factors. The blocking factors are that which is preventing the natural homeostatic expression of your body to seek its own perfect balance when you have that stuff on board. And they could be chemical, they could be physical and they could be emotional, these blocking factors will prevent your creative expression or your health expression. The homeostatic balance. And that’s what we’re talking about. So, yes, those thousands of stories that are coming through now are very heartening.

MATT: Yeah. And it’s all about. That’s what I wake up for. That’s why Master Peace was created.

MARTIN: Yeah. I wanted to actually just speak of the names or tell names, which is the following. The biggest pushback that we have seen is from people who are using EDTA as their favorite means of detoxing people. They come from a good place. They want to detox people. They see that people are toxic and they want to help. That part, I grant. What’s different is this, EDTA is a very hungry chemical.

It’s unlike the zeolite, which is an electrophysical reaction where the ion is pulled in and held without any chemical reaction. EDTA is actually a chemical bonding. So it will get into tissues and it will take out not just the big fish like the cadmium and lead and mercury. It will get everything that’s electropositive, as in calcium, magnesium, other minerals, including the ugly ones we don’t want. But it does take a lot of what you would call the desirable, the good things.

MATT: Yes, yes. And EDTA, the reason why it actually came out into the public to be able to be used and by people who now sell it and so forth, was from an EUA, an emergency use authorization, which is the same thing that got the COVID shot. And the reason why they did that is because the trials that they had done for decades, they had to stop many of them due to fatalities, different things like that. So it needs to be monitored. It is playing with fire, but it’s not for me to beat it down. They don’t want Master Peace here.

MARTIN: When used in a very controlled clinical situation, it can easily be used successfully to detoxify a person. No question there. But there is a lot of downside to it.

One is the danger of decalcifying you. When you drop your calcium level too low, you could actually cause serious hypocalcemia. Well, including your heart stopping, because your heart requires a balance of calcium and magnesium to function. So if you get yourself out of balance too far, it’ll stop working. So that’s why Matt mentioned a couple of the studies actually were stopped because too many subjects were seriously damaged, including death.

MATT: We’re looking at something that is being promoted at places. EDTA as a natural product, which is exactly opposite of the truth. It’s a pharmaceutical, and it’s made from sodium cyanide and formaldehyde. The reason why we’re seeing the pushback with these practitioners that use EDTA in their protocol, is because when people started becoming aware that health had a lot to do with detoxing, then people started looking at these new chelators and things like that. EDTA got real big in 2020, 2021. Well, people call these practitioners, and the practitioner says, you got to come in here, we got to look at your blood. We got to see where you’re at.

MATT: And so when the people have to make that appointment, look at their blood, no matter who they are, they always come back with the same personalized protocol, which involves a shot of EDTA intravenous and other things. And it costs anywhere from $1,200 to $1,800 a session. So if people have option A of going there every three weeks, going through a day-long thing at an office, or they can just go buy a $55 bottle of Master Peace. And Master Peace actually has the proof behind it where it can say, hey, it’s going to get your broad spectrum of levels down, which is what you need to do. You don’t want to just get out the graphene oxide, just the mercury. You got to get all these plastics and everything else out. And so Master Peace was made for humanity. That’s why it’s affordable. And the people, yeah, it’s causing a big rift out there, Martin. We’re seeing a big rift.

MARTIN: Well, when you threaten the method and livelihood and whatever, I mean, seriously, compare something that will cost you twelve trips to somebody’s office, several hours sitting with an IV drip in your arm, versus having a bottle on your shelf at a fraction of the cost. And one other thing is a lot of these practitioners like to test people because they want to prove to you that you have a problem. And I keep telling people, listen, it’s going to cost you $300 to do a start test on just the major items. Then you’re going to spend the x dollars on the sessions, probably $2,000. And then you’re going to do another $300 test to prove that you have now cleaned out. So how about this? You just give me $300, get six bottles of Master Peace and just take them in the convenience of your home.

MATT: And it’ll last you about a year. Yeah, exactly right. And so they don’t want that option out there, you know.

MARTIN: Well, not everybody has the time and the money to do it. Let’s call it industrial way. Okay, so that’s story number one.

MATT: Yeah, we also got the FDA, you know, they. They decided to call our purified marine plasma, which actually was from the part of the ocean where the sea turtles migrate every year, the ones that live to 300. And so they decided to call it a drug. Not sure how ocean water gets classified that way, but we just got that in.

MARTIN: Listen, Matt, stop the presses. I can prove that an apple is a drug because an apple a day will keep a doctor away. It’s loaded with malic acid, and malic acid can be used to dissolve gallstones. Therefore I can actually do that. There was another story with tart cherry juice. I don’t know if you remember that, but tart cherry juice is detoxifying the kidneys. And so people have been drinking tart cherry juice for the longest time. And then one manufacturer decided to actually put it on the label, tart cherry juice. Detox your kidneys. FDA was all over them. You cannot sell cherries as a health product.

MATT: And then they had Health Canada shut us down. And they said that is because it was a natural product.

MARTIN: Well, this is a logistical problem, Matt. This is probably a lack of understanding of how the systems are different. In Canada, they have a permissive or permission based system where before you sell the first thing, you have to come to them with your recipe and your studies and say, I will sell this product with the following claim. And you will when you have your studies in your hand, you’ll be able to go to Health Canada and say, I want to put on my Canadian label, “removes forever chemicals”, removes toxic metals, and they will approve you with that. Once you have the studies, they cannot deny you what you can prove.

MATT: Yeah, we had our lawyer team on it, and when it came down, because we do have our initial pilot study, and we actually weren’t making claims that they said. They said it was because it’s sold as a natural product. They really are kind of coming down on dietary supplements. But you’re right, we didn’t try to jump through their hoops. We should have.

MARTIN: You should have.

MATT: Yeah, yeah

MARTIN: No, this is. Listen, I sell a product that’s called Miracle II Soap and I cannot sell it in Canada for resale. I cannot import it to Canada for resale because a claim was made that this particular soap cleared somebody’s skin cancer. It did, right? Proveably, it did. But Health Canada said, you’re selling a health product. And the manufacturer said, no, I’m selling soap. And Health Canada said, the claim was made. Prove it to me. And the manufacturer said, I don’t have the study and I will not make the study. And Health Canada said, well, you cannot sell it here because it’s a natural product. And so it’s that sort of standoff. Two shotguns. Right? You’re wrong. No, you’re wrong. No, you’re wrong. And that’s the end of that. So the manufacturer says, Canada, go f yourself.

MATT: We’re absolutely doing our best on all fronts. I think the reason why we are doing so wonderful is because every single person that was involved, literally every single person, they were not getting involved in this because of the money or anything. It was the intention. They knew that this was going to improve people’s lives, and they believed if it did the way that it was created, that we had something special. And we have the greatest people around keeping this thing up. We have cyber attacks from supercomputers that are a half a billion of them a night, half the time, and we have my tech guy, who is the most incredible guy that has protected us there. We would have been in terrible shape if we were a normal company that didn’t have someone in those shoes right there. Master Peace has to get out to the world, Martin, because everybody needs Master Peace. So whatever happens, I’m already in this thing to the very end because we’re doing it for humanity.

MARTIN: Yeah. Well, I have my own personal story from three angles. Angle one was the mercury toxicity that happened to me back in 1977. I have the ORMUS story that happened to me in 1996. And I have the plasma story, which happened to me in 2004. So, meaning this, the ingredients that are in here are whole, holistic, natural, helpful. And what to say about it, other than it’s the antidote to the mess that the industrial age is bringing upon us.

MATT: Yes, it is. It is the solution to the pollution. It really is. So this same formula, if we sprayed it in the skies, if we used it for our farming, it would be doing the same exact thing that it’s doing inside of the human body. And it’s pretty amazing, really. We took the very finest things of nature. And doesn’t nature always have the solution right? We just have to find it.

MARTIN: Just have to find it. Thank you for finding it, Matt.

MATT: I was just the one that kind of got the message. I was just meditating in my thing.  I had a property where I had $12 a year in property taxes. So I had all this time on my hand, and I got real big into health and healing stuff. Lo and behold, I started having kids again. Most of my kids are very old, about 30. And I thought, I can’t protect this little girl from this world that’s going to heck in a handbasket. And I thought someone needed to kind of create it. And I had a really good partner of mine that would do an infinite amount of research, and away we went. And all of a sudden, the greatest people in the world started like, yeah, they bought into it. And all of a sudden, we had a team, and we were off and running, and it came together.

MARTIN: Hallelujah.

MATT: Yeah. This is now, Martin. There’s countless of us. They’re flocking and migrating. We just had the UK Health Alliance yesterday who has now said that Master Peace is the one that they are running with for their product for detoxing people. And in Master Peace, it shows off how our bodies are healing machines if they’re cleaned up properly. And so it doesn’t do anything other than just detox the body, reduces the levels of these harmful things so our bodies can be their magical selves, you know?

MARTIN: I don’t think I can add to that. All right, let’s. Let’s put a pin in it. Matt, I’m looking forward to talking to you in 60 days when the results come in. And we’ll, we’ll show it side by side. Well, we’ve already seen the first three, right? We already know it worked on three. We’re now expanding it to 24, which by the way, qualifies as a real clinical study. 

MATT: Yeah, Yes.

MARTIN: Don’t think that the likes of Pfizer and other large companies use greater numbers. They don’t.

MATT: No, no. And we’re, you know, we’re going to be able to show the solution, the affordable solution, so that people can be able to. We’re seeing how toxic levels are in soil samples and people samples now. And so we have an easy to take, simple to take, doesn’t taste bad. You don’t have to win the lottery to be able to afford it. And it’s gentle but very effective.

MATT: And it’s made for all of us.

MARTIN: Matt Hazen, I thank you. This is Martin Pytela for life-enthusiast.com by phone at (866)543-3388. Thanks.

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Podcast 486: Fitness with Brian Keane

We are thrilled to welcome Brian Keane on the podcast today. Brian’s remarkable journey began with serious health challenges and the use of alcohol as a coping mechanism, evolving into his role as a renowned global fitness coach and extreme endurance athlete. He opens up about how he conquered chronic headaches, gut issues, and emotional struggles by taking charge of his nutrition and fitness. Brian’s story underscores the importance of a holistic approach to health, one that integrates physical fitness with mental resilience, nutrition, and self-awareness. Today, he is dedicated to empowering others to enhance their energy, vitality, and body composition through online personalized fitness and nutrition coaching. Dive into more details on his website: https://briankeanefitness.com/

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MARTIN: Hello, everyone. Martin Pytela here for Life Enthusiast podcast. And with me today, I have Brian Keane. The business is known as Brian Keane Fitness. And just look at him. He looks fit, Brian.

BRIAN: Martin, absolute pleasure to be on, and I’m really looking forward to chatting.

MARTIN: Yeah, Brian, I want to try and pick you as one of the representatives of healthy maleness, the boy who grows to be a healthy man and expresses himself joyfully and is able to know why that is, how that is, and how to share it with others. What do you think?

BRIAN: Yeah, let’s do it. Let’s dive into the story and try and serve in any way we can.

MARTIN: Well, how did we get here?

BRIAN: It’s interesting because we were speaking on my podcast when you were on, about your mercury fillings when you were 25 and how that kind of set you up on your journey. And mine is slightly different, but not completely away from what happened with you. I had a lot of health issues when I was a teenager, so I missed nearly a year of school because I would get these chronic headaches. And it was something that I went to every Western doctor. I was getting MRIs on the monthly, I was getting blood tests done regularly, and nobody could figure out what was going on. I just had these chronic headaches and migraines. And I ended up going to university the next year and started drinking a lot of alcohol, which, very weirdly, got rid of my headaches and became a coping mechanism. I know, a temporary solution, a band-aid on a bloody wound, but a temporary solution.

BRIAN: And over the next few years, I used alcohol as a coping mechanism. And I moved to the states and I was working with Berkeley University. I was teaching soccer with Berkeley University. I have a sports background, and I ended up being hospitalized out there. I started spitting up blood and had to be hospitalized. And at the time, they said it was a bleeding ulcer or an ulcer that was bleeding, and that I had gallbladder problems. And they gave me a mouthful and handful of medications and were like: “Alright on your way, away you go.” And of course as you know, based on everything you’ve done and helped with people over the years that didn’t support me. It stopped the bleeding, but all the health underlying issues were there.

BRIAN: So I decided I was going to take my nutrition and my health into my own control. And at the age of 22, I started to look into nutrition more. I started to eliminate a lot of the crappy foods that weren’t actually helping me, that I thought were, quote unquote, healthy. I was eating a lot of protein bars, a lot of packaged chicken, just no fruits, no vegetables, just bro food, you know, thinking that this is what you should eat. I’m a man and I’m an athlete, and this is what I should eat. And it was ruining my gut microbiome, it was ruining my health. And over the space of about 18 months, I got rid of all my headaches. I fixed most of the issues with my gut, and for the first time, I was feeling energized.

BRIAN: I was walking around quite lean, quite muscular. I had a six pack and abs, and I felt tremendous. And then two years later, I went down the road of becoming a qualified personal trainer, a certified nutritionist. And that led me into this path the last decade, eleven years now, helping people with their nutrition, with their fitness, with their training, so that they could feel more energy, more vitality, and just get to whatever body composition or athletic performance they want.

MARTIN: Right. And so how do you do that? Do you do that over the Internet, remotely all over the world?

BRIAN: Yeah. So, similar to you. I think it was 2009, I think you moved online, if I remember correctly, 2016, I was later, I started in a gym and was working one to one as a personal trainer and a nutritionist with people. And then in 2016, the year after my daughter was born, I moved everything online, and we’ve been online since. So doing online programs, online coaching with people, we’ve got small group coaching that are scaled, and then we’ve got one to one coaching, which is specific to people, where I do customizable, bespoke and personalized programs based on their history.

MARTIN: All right, and so do you have quite a varied range of clients, or who are the people who benefit the most?

BRIAN: It’s mostly body composition with secondary goals. So people looking to lose weight, lose body fat, tone up, build muscle, and then they have secondary issues. They want to improve their sex drive, they want to improve their sleep, they want more vitality, more energy. And it’s weird that that’s the second when you would think that should be the pyramid and that should be the top of the pyramid, or the thing that you should focus on most. But again, sex sells. People want to look their best, look good, feel good. There’s definitely an element of that. But I take a very holistic approach. I look at people’s nutrition, their training, their sleep, their hormonal balance, their supplementation, very similar to you, that functional side of look. What do you need to look at? And taking the holistic approach, and it’s something that I do I can’t believe that I get paid to do what I do like, it’s an incredible life I get to live, and I’m very grateful for it.

MARTIN: So do I need to have a gym in my house or what? What do I need to be on your fitness program?

BRIAN: It depends. So I have. I always tell people there’s three options. So our scale program, where we take groups of people, has three options. It has either body weight at home, so all you need is your body weight. We have dumbbell workouts for home, so all you need is a set of dumbbells or a gym based program. And I think some people will work with me, and I have some who never go to the gym. They’ll never and have never stepped foot in the gym.

BRIAN: They have step counts, and they have some body weight workouts they do at home. And then there’s others who love the gym. It’s their hour away, or it sets up their morning, or it’s their disconnect from work in the evening. And we have a gym program for them. So fitness is all about finding what you enjoy, what you can stick to, based on a specific goal. And then I just make it adjust and work to whatever circumstance suits the individual.

MARTIN: Straightforward, right?

BRIAN: Yeah. Like, pull ups and push ups are very underrated, Martin. They’re very underrated. Squats, push ups, and pull ups of,  we overcomplicate fitness. But for a lot of men, particularly, if you’re able to perform those movement patterns with good form and execution, you’re going to get good results.

MARTIN: You know, it’s really interesting. I mean, I’m now 71, so a lot of things are harder to come by than when I was 40 or something like that. But anyway, I decided, well, I’m going to do push ups. And I started. And holy mother, I didn’t realize just how far I let myself go. I had to use stairs to do the support, to do an incline rather than straight. So first I got three stairs, two stairs, one stair, flat. Right? And then I can now do 20 push ups straight up without really losing it.

BRIAN: And that’s it. How amazing is that, Martin? For confidence even, like and knowing that this is what you can physically do with your body and giving that confidence back to yourself from the starting progression to where you are now, that’s incredible.

MARTIN: Right. I was, as you were talking, I was thinking, you know, libido, or sexual expression, really is the consequence of having life force. And life force is the consequence of having the mitochondria working, putting out ATP. It all follows. If you screw up your food, then you’re going to screw up your mitochondria. And if you don’t use it, you lose it. This is the amazing thing that it doesn’t take much for a person to actually just start losing the capacity.

BRIAN: 100%. And it’s so, it’s such an easy habit to become negative over time when you just let your exercise slip or you let your nutrition slip or you let your sleep slip, and then you start to have these other negative issues. Libido decreases, energy decreases, you feel that general life force decreasing. And again, I always tell people, think of consistency, not intensity, when it comes to your exercise program and your nutrition. Like, what can you stick to? Because it’s considerably harder to get up and go for a run than to just keep running when you’re running. And it’s the same with any nutritional protocol, exercise plan, just keep the momentum with it.

MARTINl Yeah. Classic example of inertia. Object in motion stays in motion.

BRIAN: Yeah, Yeah.

MARTIN: It’s great, actually. I think the value of coaching here is really right in front of us here. Having a coach that serves as a reminder is just great. People who do engage in a relationship, whether it’s a group or one on one, when you’re accountable to someone, it somehow improves the odds of your outcomes, right?

BRIAN: Oh, 100%. I couldn’t be a bigger believer in it because there’s self awareness that needs to be brought here too, because I used to do bodybuilding shows, I used to do ultra marathons, I used to do endurance events, and I never needed a coach or a trainer for those because I’m quite self driven with exercise, but I have to pay my yoga instructor every single week or I will not do yoga, I will not go and do it, I won’t go to a class, I won’t do an online course, I have to show up at our house and do it, because I need that accountability from someone. So depending on different areas of your life, you might need it with nutrition, you might need it with fitness, you might need it with business, but doing that self audit to go: “Right, I’m actually not able to stick with this by myself. I think I need a coach, I need the accountability. And asking that question can be really useful.”

MARTIN: Well, how do we get people into getting the results that they deserve? What do we do here?

BRIAN: It’s interesting because the results you deserve are normally down to the work you put in. But I also tell people that if you get in your car and start randomly driving, you’re going to end up somewhere just, it might not be where you want. So you need to know first and foremost, what’s the goal you’re trying to hit. Are you trying to lose weight? Are you trying to build muscle? Are you trying to get stronger? Are you trying to increase your libido? Are you trying to increase your energy? And then if you need education around that, that’s where a coach can help. But I don’t think everyone needs a coach. Some people just need the education. You put out tremendous content on the podcast and online where people can listen to the episode on arthritis. I’ve got one of my clients who struggles with that, and I sent her the episode and talking her through it. Look, this is what you need, education.

BRIAN: You don’t need the accountability. You actually need somebody to tell you what you need to do with this and to get the results you want. It’s a combination of executing on a plan, but more importantly, executing on a plan that’s directionally correct. Meaning that it’s actually working towards the marathon or it’s working towards building muscle, or it’s working towards the competition you want to do. Because you can go into the gym, and we’ve all seen the person in the gym at some stage in our life who’s doing the same workout program they were five years ago. They come in and do 40 minutes on the cross trainer. They lift a couple of dumbbell curls, they do a couple of sit ups, and then they leave and they look exactly the same and feel exactly the same as they did six years ago. Now, if they’re coming in for a social element and other reasons, that’s totally different. But if you physically want your body to respond in a positive way, then you need to do a correct program and you need to execute on it, because then that’s the way you get the results you want.

BRIAN: Charlie Munger has a great line. The late Charlie Munger, Warren Buffett’s business partner. To get what you want, you have to deserve what you want. And I think physical fitness is a great representation of that.

MARTIN: Interesting. So are you saying that people should be changing up their programs, that they should not be just doing the same thing over and over

BRIAN: If they want to progress, yeah. Like with progression in fitness, normally every six to twelve weeks, you’d want to be switching up a fitness program. Every six weeks if you get bored, more so. Because what happens is similar to inertia, people get bored, they stop going, they fall out of the routine just because they didn’t enjoy it anymore. So every six weeks is normally when I would switch up a program. But every twelve weeks is when you physiologically need to switch up a program because your body would become accustomed. So switching up doesn’t mean you’re doing an entire new program. You might be just changing up the angle of a lift.

BRIAN: You might be progressively overloading, which just means you’re increasing the weight so that you’re failing in a rep range. So let’s say you’re squatting 20 pounds. After six weeks, you’re squatting 25 pounds. After twelve weeks, you’re squatting 30 pounds. That’s progressive overload. So you’re changing something so that it’s not the exact same workout, same weights all the time, because that’s how you progress with any physical exercise program.

MARTIN: I’m trying to think of some ways how I can get you to tell our audience how they can find you.

BRIAN: I try and be on everything, Martin. I literally try and communicate in every style that’s possible. I’ve written four books, three of them that have done very well. They were bestsellers. I have a podcast, which you were on, which I’m not sure which one comes out first, but I highly recommend people check that out. We had a great conversation. I’m on all the social media channels, Instagram. I put out loads of free workouts, loads of free exercise programs that people can follow, because I’m all about the business side of service.

BRIAN: So if people need a specific program designed, they’re going to come and work with me. But if you just need a generic program for losing weight, for building body fat, here’s a set of structures that you can apply, there on the website briankeanefitness.com. And again, it’s just putting out that content, trying to help in any way that we can.

MARTIN: All right, talk to me about your life as an extreme athlete. Like ultra marathon. That just makes my eyes roll to the back of my head.

BRIAN: It’s interesting because for those who can’t see me, I’m not built like an ultra marathon runner at all. I’m five foot eight, which is about 173 cm. I’m 83 kilos. So I think that’s about 183 pounds or so. I’m built like a little hobbit. I’m not built like an ultra marathon runner. I’m built like something out of the Lord of the Rings. I’m short, I’m stocky, I’m muscular, but I used to be a bodybuilder, so I competed in bodybuilding competitions, and I was a professional fitness model for years.

BRIAN: So I was on  those the magazines back in the day, on the covers, in the books, etcetera. So I did that for several years. And when I left that after my daughter was born in 2015, I was looking for a new challenge, and I signed up for my first ultramarathon, which was my first ever marathon at the time, which was called Marathon des Sables. So it’s Czechoslovakia you said you were growing up. Samarita Des Saab is in Morocco. It’s quite a well known one in Europe, it’s six back to back marathons through the Sahara desert in Morocco. And in 2018, I finished that. It was, at the time, the most difficult thing I’ve ever done in my life. And then,

MARTIN: Well, listen. Do you remember the original story of the marathon run?

BRIAN: Yeah.

MARTIN: The soldier ran from the, I don’t know, battlefield to wherever, to the town to give the warning and collapsed dead. Right?

BRIAN: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

MARTIN: And you did six of them in what span of time?

BRIAN: Six marathons in six days. Like an interesting story because I had to keep this post away from my mother. I remember when I posted it because Irish families, I’m really close with my mum when I went to Google. Marathon to Saab distance. You put in marathon De saab D and death comes up before distance. And it shows one of the stories of the guy that died, but also one of the runners who did the race several years ago who got lost in a sandstorm and had to cut open and drink bat’s blood to survive. He crossed over the border into another country, got picked up by the army and was. And was able to get back home.

BRIAN: And those horror stories before I went, because I had never done an ultra marathon, Martin. I was an athlete, and then I did bodybuilding and the gym is really cozy in comparison to the Sahara, so I landed out there. It was a very difficult thing. Very glad I did it. I came back from it and thought, right, I’ve done the heat. I then in 2019, signed up to run through the Arctic. So in 2019, I ran 230 km through the Arctic Circle line in the north of Sweden. And that was like running on the moon.

BRIAN: That was insane. And then I ran 100 miler in Nevada in 2020. The 1st longest run I had done in one go, it was 26 and a half hours straight through, no sleep. And then Covid came and then off the back of COVID I’ve been doing more martial arts and Muay Thai and things like that now. So changing it up slightly as we move through this world in a little bit more peaceful way than having to do the six-hour training sessions on a Monday to train for an ultra marathon.

MARTIN: Yeah. My lord. Okay, well, that suggests that. I don’t know how to put it. Well, you’re certainly resilient.

BRIAN: Learned resilience, I would say. I would say that’s an acquired skill, for sure.

MARTIN: Yeah. Okay, well, I guess that really gives you the chops to explain to anyone who’s got endurance problems how to overcome that, right?

BRIAN: Yeah, for sure. Like, endurance is such a relative term, and there’s a spectrum because endurance for one person is an ability to withstand an hour gym session or a crossfit class or the circuit training or spin session in the gym. Whereas for somebody else, an ability to run 100 miles and then everything in between, I think your starting point is important. So identifying where you are and what you need, because if you are looking to build up your endurance and just feel physically better throughout the day so that your energy and you’re not, like, getting that midday slump. I know you talk about this like that’s not a natural state. People shouldn’t be getting a slump at 03:00 p.m  in the day. That’s a sign that they’re not eating for their body type and, you know, they need to go and take the quiz that you have on the website and see what foods they need and fueling themselves the correct way.

BRIAN: And physical fitness is very similar in terms of endurance, that your starting point matters, that there’s going to be these little targets on the way, but you need to identify, well, what am I looking to achieve? Do I just want to move through the day without feeling tired? Because that’s one goal. Do you want to be able to run a marathon and recover? That’s another goal. Do you want to be able to run 100 mile marathon and be able to do it again a week later, which is a very extreme goal. And we’re really towards the high end of physical recovery from a human perspective in terms of what we can biologically do. But people do it, and it’s possible. So identifying the goal in the front is important. I think that’s for any goal, but particularly for insurance.

MARTIN: Right? I don’t know. What else do you want to share that I don’t know about you?

BRIAN: Geez, I don’t know. Martin, I think we had such a good chat on my podcast, talking all things nutrition. So again, my story from fitness model to bodybuilding, to ultra marathons, to doing what I’m doing now. Like, as I said, I’m one of those very lucky people and very grateful people that I literally do something I would do for free and get paid very well for it. I’m in a very, very positive and grateful position first, and I like the physical challenge. Like, as I said, it was a different season in my life, different phase of my life. I wouldn’t be very mentally resilient by nature. That’s not part of my makeup.

BRIAN: I had to build that over time.

MARTIN: Really? 

BRIAN: Yeah, definitely not. I was a primary school teacher before I qualified as a trainer and a coach. And during that time in my life, I was very unhappy. I didn’t like what I was doing, I didn’t like my work. I didn’t feel very highly energized, which is so interesting because we think nutrition and sleep, which are so important, are everything. But my nutrition and sleep were pretty good during that time in my life, and I still felt low energy because I was misaligned with what I should be doing in my work and in my career. And it’s amazing how it’s all holistic and all like a spider web that’s interconnected, that you need everything lined up, your people that are around you having good, energizing people, not having emotional vampires, people sucking the energy from you doing a job or at least a career that you feel some sort of calling for, a passion for.

BRIAN: And I know everyone’s circumstance is different. Not everyone can do that. They’ve got a mortgage and kids. But doing something that makes you jump out of bed every day, that might be in your personal life, but ideally something in your career, and then your health, your nutrition, your fitness, your sleep, your hormonal system, your balance, all of that. Like, I think it’s really important to connect all of those things. And what I’ve been trying to do over the last decade with content online and books and podcasts is showing people that there’s so many different ways to excel in your life and feel energized and feel vitality and feel passion. That it’s just a case of surrounding yourself with the right people, consuming the right information. Cause like, you’re literally being programmed with what you listen to.

BRIAN: So make sure that it’s good things. Don’t plant apple seeds and expect orange trees to grow is what I say in podcasts and books. You need to be consuming good information that helps you. And I’ve spent the last decade trying to build up some of that mental resilience myself because it’s not my natural state, and then just sharing how I did it, why I did it, and trying to use my story to connect with people so they can do the same if they choose to.

MARTIN: Right. Well put. You know, I can’t quite see here how having you for a coach would be very beneficial because you have so much experience in overcoming being in an unhappy place and finding your path to doing what you should be doing, what you love doing, and so on. And so anyone who’s in that place wondering, what should I be? How should I get there? What should I do? Speaking to you on a daily basis, on a weekly basis, or whatever that would be, is probably a very valuable tool.

BRIAN: Yeah, it definitely can be. You know this more than anyone, Martin, because you’re a perpetual self-learner and always educating yourself. And even before we were talking on our podcast, you were like, all right, let’s learn. I want to learn something. Tell me about things. And it’s the same here in the interview. And I think when you’re consuming the right people, whether that’s their content online or working with them directly, that can really shorten your learning curve, because smart people learn from their mistakes. The really sharp one learns from the mistakes of others, and you’re just using the tools and potential, avoiding potential pitfalls on a health journey, on a fitness journey, on a business journey, and just seeing who is around you online, offline that can potentially help get you there.

BRIAN: And I think you do this beautifully. It’s my mission as well, on my side. And again, it’s just constantly giving back. Now, when you’re in that place of gratitude because you’re so happy, you get to do what you do, which wasn’t always the case. I have the contrast point for that. It’s so much easier to give back.

MARTIN: Yeah, I acknowledge that. I have zero problem with motivation because I get out of bed, I roll out of bed wanting to do what I do. There’s no barrier. You illustrated it with your being in a job that just wasn’t aligned with what was in your heart. And, yeah, helping people find that place. I know so many people who just don’t know what they should be doing.

BRIAN: Yeah.

MARTIN: They tell me “I just don’t know”.

BRIAN: Yeah. What’s your answer for that? What do you tell them, out of curiosity? I’m curious if it’s the same as mine or if it’s similar for somebody that says, okay, Martin, I don’t know what I should be doing. What’s the advice you generally offer them, or you get them to look at?

MARTIN: Well, the literature and the experiences that you need to come up with serving others. Just try and find a place where you do something for others, because in giving to others, you will find that you’ll receive it yourself.

BRIAN: Yeah. Yeah. Beautifully said. Agreed. Yeah. I love that.

MARTIN: Love yourself. Don’t try to get the universe to give to you. And this reminded me of Jack Kennedy back in 1960. Something saying, do not ask what the country can do for you, ask what you can do for the country. Which, that was another metaphor, but essentially it is the same thing where you say, okay, I’m going to go and help somebody with something, whatever that is, and you’ll find whether that is something that you enjoy doing. And if not, pick up another one, try something else. Right.

BRIAN: Follow your curiosity. I think one of the most underutilized pieces of advice is follow your curiosity. Because when I’m working with businesses, and I’ve got two businesses, we have a Fitness LLC, which is a company, and then I have a business consulting, which is separate for health and wellness and fitness businesses. And one of the things I do with people I’m working with in that business is ask the question, what do you find easy that other people find difficult? And what are you curious about that other people aren’t curious about? You answer those two questions. They’re a very good starting point to finding your potential.

MARTIN: Yeah. That I love about you, that you actually are helping others get better at business, which, that’s awesome, because having those two perspectives is so helpful. I mean, in business, we always ask, what is the cause of this? In the medical world, people are blocked from that. They just are told, well, you have a symptom, I have a pill. Let’s take it away. That never solves anything. It’s like painting over the rust spots. Your car will rust out before you know it.

BRIAN: You start solving symptoms in business, you go out of business pretty quickly. You need to get to the root cause. And I think your physical health and your functional side as you mentioned are exactly the same.

MARTIN: Indeed. I’m out of questions.

BRIAN: That’s a good sign. Martin. I have hopefully provided a lot of value to people. Again, I think you’re doing tremendous work on your side. We had a great chat on my podcast, and I think covering the nutrition side from yours, covering the fitness side from mine, get people to look at the things that are important in their life, that it’s not a single thing. Fixing your nutrition will fix your nutritional issues. It won’t fix all your life problems, but it’ll go a long way towards helping it. You might have a problem in a relationship. You might have a problem with your work life. You might have a problem somewhere else. So don’t just look at things in isolation, because it’s all interconnected. And I think that is an important takeaway for people so that they don’t, to the man with the hammer, the whole world looks like a nail. It’s important that you know that there’s different things that fix different problems, and that’s what you’re looking to do here.

MARTIN: Yeah. Awesome. You know, just as you’re speaking, I’m reminded of the fact that we teach this, right. We have. I have these four points which I tell people it’s toxicity, malnutrition, stagnation, and trauma. Well, the big one is stagnation. I’m reminded of the fact, I read this. If exercise were a drug, it would be the most prescribed item ever.

BRIAN: Yeah, yeah. It’s so true. If you could wrap up the benefits in a pill, we’d be multi billionaires.

MARTIN: Right. But it’s not like that, right? All of these points that we’re discussing, they all are attained only by when we apply ourselves to it. It’s the dynamic interchange with the universe. You cannot be the recipient. You cannot play the victim. You have to take agency of your life. You have to become an active participant. Otherwise, it’s a fail.

BRIAN: 100%. Well, what I love about exercise, too, to build on that point, Martin, is it’s a representation for how you approach things in life. Because you can’t go into a gym and just start squatting 200 pounds. You have to start with the bar, and you have to gradually build up your strength over time. How you approach everything in your life is the same. Very few things that are worth having come to you easily, very few things that are worth having come to you in a very quick way. It’s normally built over periods of weeks, months, years, decades, and fitness is exactly the same. And I think when you can take the skill set of how you approach workouts, who do I need to help me? What’s the plan I need to follow? Where’s my starting point? What’s my end goal? What’s the milestone and mini target I’m hitting between now and that end goal so that I can stay motivated and on track. All those tools help you in other aspects of your life, with relationships, with your business, with your career.

BRIAN: And you’re just taking this domain dependent knowledge from fitness and applying it elsewhere. I think it’s a beautiful representation for how to approach life. It’s one of the reasons I love physical fitness so much. Obviously, it’s nice to look good with the shirt off and feel good and all of that, but really, it’s the skill set and the tools that you acquire that benefit your life in a positive way. That is where the real one is.

MARTIN: Yeah. And I’m being reminded of, we need to be humble enough to admit that we’re not perfect and that we could get some help.

BRIAN: Yeah. 100%. Again, we’re all, I think when you approach things from a place of service, you know that you can serve people in some areas and you need help from service from people and others. And I think that’s what makes it such a beautiful thing. Identify where you need help, who can serve you, identify who needs help and who you can serve, and just merge those two things together.

MARTIN: Yeah. I’m so glad to have met you. Really. It’s encouraging.

BRIAN: Me, too. I’m so glad we got to do this so quickly as well because we got to do two back to back podcasts, Martin. And I’m glad we will stay connected. As I said, I love what you’re doing, the work you’re doing, and I’m so glad we got to bounce on both podcasts.

MARTIN: All right, so this is Brian Keane K-e-a-n-e. And it’s Briankeanefitness.com. Go take a look. It’s very encouraging. Your life will be better for having met Brian Keane.

BRIAN: Martin, thank you so much again.

MARTIN: Yeah, this is Martin Pytela, life-enthusiast.com, by phone at 866 543 3388. Thank you.

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Podcast 485: Decluttering Trauma

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MARTIN: Hello, this is Martin Pytela. Life Enthusiast health coach for Life Enthusiast podcast. With me today, Valerie Huard.

VALERIE: Hi, Martin.

MARTIN: Hello. Pleasure. Let me try and introduce you to our audience. Valerie, like myself, lives in Canada and like myself, has a pretty deep experience with trauma, both in her own life and helping others. And I think the aspect that we’re going to explore today is valuable. Many of our audience are going through what Valerie is helping people to deal with. Let’s dive in. Welcome.

VALERIE: Awesome. Thank you. I’m really glad to be here.

MARTIN: Yeah. Valerie, I think it would be very helpful to just hear what it is that you focus on in helping people to solve in their life.

VALERIE: Yeah, I help people that have faced, unfortunately, some traumatic event. And because of that, eventually in life they started accumulating clutter. And now they are in a position where not only the trauma is blocking them, but the clutter is isolating them from inviting people at home or from doing some activity or finding some of their objects.

MARTIN: Right? So sometimes it happens because you’re just too tired and too sick to keep up, right? And it just starts accumulating all around you.

VALERIE: Yes. But it’s also because when someone had a trauma, the executive functions are affected after that. Yeah. Basically what happened is due to the fight or flight response. I think your audience already knows about the fight or flight response. After a trauma, the body needs to produce more cortisol. That’s the stress hormone in the brain. And for that the stress hormone raise, raise, raise and then slow down the frontal lobe. There is the executive function. This is where they are. So we’re talking about planning, organizing, sorting, working memory and focus. So all things that are really important to maintain a home tidy.

MARTIN: Yeah I can relate to it in a minor way. I call it my travel brain, where on the travel day I can no longer think clearly. I have to be working off of a list because the executive function, as you correctly name it, is just disconnected. I do not remember how to do things. I have to return to the list and work from that, and I have to have prepared the list on a calm day, 1 or 2 days earlier. That’s what you’re talking about, right?

VALERIE: Oh, totally. That’s what I’m talking about. It’s a really good example of that.

MARTIN: But of course, when it happens every day, then what? Right.

VALERIE: It starts to become a little bit more problematic. Let’s say somebody is working, or doing some volunteering or has some activities out of the house. The thing is, they gave 100% of themselves because most of the clients that I know, they are kind of a little bit perfectionist. You know, they really like to try and they are thriving during the day during their occupation. But when they arrive at home, it’s kind of if they almost shut down because they burn so much energy during the day to keep the executive function up to speed, that now the executive functions are kind of on a break. They have no more energy fueling them. And it’s kind of, oh, now I will pile my things instead of putting them at the right place. And it’s not because the person is lazy, it’s really because it becomes really difficult for the brain to identify where is the right place or where should I start, or how should I approach that pile?

MARTIN: Yeah, it becomes difficult to even start, right?

VALERIE: Oh, yes. A lot of people are overwhelmed at the beginning.

MARTIN: Right.

MARTIN: Well, so let’s just come back to the beginning. How did you get into learning all of this? And what I mean, you have plenty of credentials behind you and I think people would appreciate knowing just how much wisdom is packed in your life, right?

VALERIE: Yeah. Thank you. So my journey started, unfortunately, with a traumatic childhood where I got abused and growing up, I dissociated and then I became in the world of I need to perform. And then I got to study occupational therapy. That was awesome for me. I learned so much about the brain and about all of that, you know?

MARTIN: Yeah.

VALERIE: And then my trauma said, you know what? I want some attention. Here I am. Hello. And I had to take care of myself. I needed to kind of stop a little bit and really start healing myself. So I went on that journey of healing where it was difficult but wonderful at the same time, if I can say. Because I went on tons of retreats, some programs, lots of places to learn, I spent over $100,000 just to heal myself, you know? And it was a long journey because I had nobody that was able to tell me, you know what? Go that way. Because even the doctor that I met. They told me, you know what? We don’t know what to do.

MARTIN: Yeah. They don’t.

VALERIE: You will just get worse with time. And I say, oh no, I don’t want that. And it was kind of feeling unworthy almost, or feeling that the medical system was giving up on me. It was really hard at first, you know. But from there I adopted kids that have special needs. And my life continued. And one day we arrived to move and the movers company came. And the guy, I will always remember his face and his blue uniform. He looked around the house and told me, ma’am, we cannot move you. I’m calling a moving company and they’re telling me they cannot move me? What’s going on? And then he continues his sentence by, you need to let go of at least half your belongings. Half my belongings? Wow! I was wanting to cry. I was shocked. Letting go of half my belongings. You know, I grew up in an environment where the more you possess the better status you have in life. 

MARTIN: Yes. We need stuff.

VALERIE: Exactly. And from there, we had three months to declutter before the move. We were not able to do that. So after the three months, my husband had to move first and I stayed behind with the kids to declutter. And the first night when he left. Oh my God, I fell in tears sitting in front of our storage room. And I hadn’t cried for many, many years before that. It was kind of, I was always going, doing the things. But then I connected with the emotion. And that was the moment where I was really starting to raise. So what I mean by that is when I start touching the belongings to really declutter the belongings bring me an emotion, because the sense of touch is linked to the limbic system in the brain. And then I was discovering the emotion progressively of that object. Remind me of these things. Or oh, I was happy when I got that. Or oh, I was sad when that happened. And a couple weeks after I realized I was not just smiling like, I was feeling it, and I was not needing a nap anymore in the afternoon. I was more energized and I was feeling better and my flashbacks were reducing. And all of these kinds of benefits with decluttering the belongings. So we were finally able to reunite the family and I decided that I wanted to help other people. So I did a course in home staging because we were military and we were moving often, you know.

MARTIN: Okay.

VALERIE: And then I realized, oh my God, people are able to place a pillow there or a blanket there, or remove a frame. That’s not a problem. Problem they have is to declutter before doing that.

MARTIN: Yes.

MARTIN: So it involves removing all of the,

VALERIE: Exactly.

MARTIN: I’m just looking behind myself here on my bookshelf and I’m thinking, okay,I’m mostly not very cluttered, but I have been hanging on to books. I want to read that book again. I probably never will.

VALERIE: Exactly.

MARTIN: But it represents something for me, right? It represents the memory of reading it.

VALERIE: Yes, but the knowledge. You already got it. Even if you let go of the book, the knowledge is in you.

MARTIN: True, but I haven’t let go of the book.

VALERIE: I know. At some point we were having 9 or 10 bookshelves full of books. Now we don’t have enough. We have less than one.

MARTIN: Right.

VALERIE: So I then specialized in professional organizing. You know, when we go to people’s home and help people declutter their home.

MARTIN: Yeah.

VALERIE: And very fast, I realized that most of my clients were opening to me about their trauma when I was decluttering with them.

MARTIN: Yeah.

VALERIE: Probably because I suffered myself. So I was approachable on that. And then I specialized even more. I did some studies and we did some research. We contacted researchers about the brain and things like that, to really realize that there’s a link between clutter and trauma.

MARTIN: Aha. Right.

VALERIE: That link that I explained to you at the beginning with unresolved trauma.

MARTIN: Unresolved connection to an object. And it’s holding us in bondage, right?

VALERIE: Yes, exactly. And as long as the executive functions are not able to kick in, people won’t be able to declutter. It will be like a pendulum. They let go of clutter. It comes back. They let go. It comes back. They declutter a countertop. It comes back.

MARTIN: So as a professional organizer, you are actually having to serve as an emotional coach or I don’t know, what would you call that?

VALERIE: I often search how to call me. The best way I found was trauma and decluttering coach.

MARTIN: Yes. Makes sense. Now, as I’m looking at my own self and my own problems, I’m just thinking, oh dear, this is going to be a very, very prevalent issue in the population. Right.

VALERIE: It is, it is. And people don’t want to talk about it because both trauma and clutter are too taboo.

MARTIN: True enough. I mean, you started out by saying that in your childhood, you experienced serious abuse, right?

VALERIE: Yeah.

MARTIN: I mean, my heart goes out to you. This is just.

VALERIE: Thank you.

MARTIN: A child that gets abused is just so. It’s such a betrayal.

VALERIE: It is. It is.

MARTIN: Okay. So you need to deal with that. And that’s not a small thing.

VALERIE: No it’s not. It’s not, but it’s possible. And there’s a way out. I helped hundreds of clients that were really able to move forward and create a happy life in a tidy home.

MARTIN: Yeah. I want to celebrate the personal victory. For you. And then what you bring to clients.

VALERIE: Yeah. Thank you.

MARTIN: Right? Like you’re actually able to hold them up with the emotion that you have experienced in yourself.

VALERIE: Yeah. With that. And I also did a trauma certificate to get even more knowledge and be able to support them more.

MARTIN: All right. So in practical terms, I can just see how much help you would be to someone who’s realizing that their emotional trouble is connected directly to their physical environment. Right?

VALERIE: Yeah.

MARTIN: And what is the process? How does it  work for you when engaging with the client?

VALERIE: At the beginning, they don’t necessarily realize that they are connected. They realize that there’s some clutter and they feel overwhelmed, and they’re kind of paralyzed when they arrive to start decluttering. This is how they realize. And then when they connect with us, we explain to them that there’s a link with the trauma that is unresolved, and from there we bring them on a holistic decluttering journey. We put that stuff down. That’s our books. And in it there’s the dual method. And the dual method is really simple. There’s four steps everybody needs to pass through the four steps.

MARTIN: Okay. Let’s describe that.

VALERIE: Yeah. The very first step is to reduce the stress because as the cortisol is too high, the stress is too high and the executive function is slowed down. So when we decrease the stress the executive functions kick in. And I can see that easily when it’s not in a blood test, you know. But it will be when clients arrive on a call and they say, you know what, Valerie? Today I went to the mail and I right away discarded what I didn’t need. And. Sort what I decided to keep. That was awesome. I didn’t pile it on the countertop. Or they say, oh, I did my laundry and folded my clothes right away. So things like that that the people know they want to do. But with the executive function paralyzed or slowed down, they’re not able to do them. So they pile up. So that’s the very first step.

MARTIN: So reduce stress. And sometimes that will be difficult because you need to be making yourself safe in the environment, safe in your relationships and so on. Right.

VALERIE: Yep. And then we can tackle the mindset. So I call it the letting go mindset. That’s really, really important because people are now able to make decisions about to keep or not an item. But often they keep that one just in case. And maybe and what if and just in case and maybe and what if in that pile in the middle becomes the biggest pile?

MARTIN: Yeah.

VALERIE: So we want people to be able to be aligned with themselves to know what they want. To know their value. To know where they’re going in life. And for that, we talk about different subjects like emotion, authenticity, relationships, lots of different subjects that will help the people at the end of the day say, yes, I will really use that. Or you know what, this one? I don’t think so. If I need it again, I’ll find another one.

MARTIN: Yeah. That’s the victory, right?

VALERIE: That’s a huge victory. And after mindset we tackled time. I call it “discover free time.”

MARTIN: Okay.

VALERIE: Because what happened is lots of people have difficulty sleeping. So we look at routines and habits, not just about sleeping. That’s an example. But they will get more energized if their sleep is better and they will be able to obtain better and declutter easier. But we also look at our morning routine. How to get started in the day at some decluttering routine, all of that. But the basics is really that lots of people, they have too many things in their calendars that they’re freaking out, sorry for the word. Or, they’re sometimes on the couch scrolling and scrolling and scrolling, knowing that they have things to do and not able to do them because they don’t know where to look to do their things. So there’s a little bit of time management in there as well.

MARTIN: Mhm.

VALERIE: It’s an organizing skill. And not everybody learned it or was able to pass on the paper way to manage it to the online way or the phone way.

MARTIN: Right. Gosh, this gets complicated in many ways.

VALERIE: Yeah. And then we pass to the one that everybody is waiting for. It is “simplify your living space.” Now we have all the strategy we need to be able to declutter and maintain it.

MARTIN: Right.

VALERIE: The other things that we often forget is if we declutter too fast, it will come back. You know those big shows they do on TV? Sensational TV.

MARTIN: Like sensational weight loss and sensational this.

VALERIE: Yeah, the hoarders show and things like that. You know, they declutter so fast. It’s another trauma for these folks. And people just gather stuff afterwards unfortunately, because it’s not the way to do it..

MARTIN: Wow. Okay. I can just relate how if you don’t process the emotion that goes with letting go of the item, if you just throw it away, you’ll go back and you pull it back out of the garbage can, right?

VALERIE: Oh yeah. Like, you cannot imagine how often what I did is, I put things in a box and there’s a giveaway at the curb. So you put it in the box at the curb with free sign on it, and you sit on the couch in the living room and you’re looking through the window.

MARTIN: I think I need it. I think I need that.

VALERIE: Someone is picking it. Oh, and then you, the people left, and you go grab the box, put it in the garage just in case. I did that. 

MARTIN: It will come handy. I cannot go without it.

VALERIE: Yeah.

MARTIN: Yeah. I can just see that. Oh, okay. So that’s straightforward. So the process is, it’s good to know that you have it structured, that you understand the steps and what you need to do. Because in many, especially in coaching, you need to have a plan you need to know,

VALERIE: Oh definitely.

MARTIN: Things need to happen before and after. It’s really important to have antecedents and understand how the process works. So how do people interact with you? Is this done one on one or is this done in group sessions? How does it work?

VALERIE: We have group sessions. So basically I have a platform that we call the Doers Academy. And in there, there’s some video that people are following and they can ask questions and things like that. And we suggest people to really not binge watch them because we want the subconscious to sink the information. Right. That’s one part of the program. Then we have meetings, and we have meetings almost every day except Sunday. It doesn’t mean that people need to be there every day, but it means that there’s a safety net if they’re processing something and they need support. And we have meetings on the four different steps that I explained. We have meetings on decluttering together, putting some music on and having fun together. Decluttering. We have different activities. Oh yes, people love that.

MARTIN: So it becomes a team effort.

VALERIE: It becomes a team effort. Yes.

MARTIN: That’s good. Yeah. because when people are finally willing to let a guest, even if it’s just on a video, but when you’re willing to let the guest come into your room and see the mess. Right?.

VALERIE: Yeah. At the beginning, lots of the clients on the call are either closing their video or putting a fake background or a blurry background. And progressively they will come with their own background. And it’s beautiful to see the transformation happening because my program is a year long. Because it needs time to change habits and paradigms.

MARTIN: Yes I agree.

VALERIE: And there’s so much to change when people have been suffering from trauma.

MARTIN: Right on. Okay. Well, this explains it rather well, Valerie. Where will people be able to connect with you?

VALERIE: Yeah, we have a website. It’s DowellHT.com. People can get on there. There’s a little bubble at the bottom of the website. They can click on it and start chatting with us. Or they can send an email in the contact to us. There’s really multiple places. I’m on Facebook as well.

MARTIN: Okay, great. So this is almost as good as any other movement, right? Any other movement that liberates us from dependencies, that helps us reach our full potential. Because what you’re describing is really blocking an expression of an intellect and of a creative person and so on, all that. So we have.

VALERIE: Oh yeah it’s a huge transformation. 

MARTIN: We have all this human potential locked up essentially in trauma. Right?

VALERIE: Yeah. And people are so creative and they want to do their piece of heart or creating music or writing that they want to do. And they’re blocked, right? 

MARTIN: You need to have time, right?

VALERIE: You need to have time and they’re blocked because, oh, I must be decluttering right now. Or where is that journal that I put somewhere or where is that piece of fabric.

MARTIN: Right. And so you spent two hours looking for the thing.

VALERIE: Yeah.

MARTIN: Mhm. Yes. This is so uplifting to me because of course I recognize it in me, I recognize it in other people. And it’s great to be able to connect with just knowing that you’re there. But for those who really need it, I’m just so encouraged to be able to introduce you to the audience that we have here at Life Enthusiast.

VALERIE: Yeah, thank you so much. I’ll make a link for people with the notes so they can contact us directly.

VALERIE: All right. Valerie Huard and DowellHT.com

VALERIE: Like home transformation.

MARTIN: Home transformation and human transformation at the same time.

VALERIE: And holistic transformation. Yes.

MARTIN: As well. That’s great.

MARTIN: Valerie, thank you very much. This is Martin Pytela at Life Enthusiast podcast. Life-enthusiast.com. Thank you.

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Podcast 484:  Lung Repairs with Alvectin

On today’s podcast, Spencer Feldman from Remedy Link joins Martin to explore the crucial subject of lung health. Discover how environmental pollutants, microplastics, and toxins impact your lungs. Learn about Alvectin, a cutting-edge product designed to detox the lungs and support lung surfactant proteins to enhance respiratory function.

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MARTIN: Hello there everyone! Martin Pytela for Life Enthusiast with me today, Spencer Feldman. Spencer is relentless. He has come up with more inventions. And today we’re going to talk about your lungs. Spencer Feldman from RemedyLink. Welcome.

SPENCER: Hey, how’s it going, Martin?

MARTIN: Oh, it’s going all right for me.

SPENCER: Okay, so let’s talk about lungs. I’ve been researching the human body now for about 30 years. And one of the things that I find when I do analyses of people’s bodies and try to figure out what was going on for them is, by and large, almost everybody had lung damage. It was to the point where I almost started ignoring it because it was everybody. Every time I looked at someone’s free radical load, the lungs are the ones are the most damaged. 

MARTIN: I have a thought on that. Industrial revolution. Burning of coal. Burning of wood. Forest fires. Cars. Industrial pollution.

SPENCER: Yeah. I mean, most humans live in cities and by highways. And if you ever are in the country driving towards a city, you’ll see a brown dome over the city. So, if you live in a city or near a highway, it’s like smoking a couple packs of cigarettes a day. There are some parts of the world where it’s like smoking a pack or two a day, just going outside and breathing. So, yes, there’s all the particulate matter. Well, let me back up. 

I didn’t know, I never really found a great way to support lungs. Yes, spirulina for some reason seemed to be beneficial in lungs. But I think that was more quenching the free radical damage and not so much clearing out the actual toxins. And so it was always in the back of my mind. I thought that one of these days, if I ever figure out how to clean out the lungs, that would really be great. So now there’s another issue. 

Then there’s microplastics, right? Because the amount of microplastics is just absurd. There’s so many tons of this stuff. And it breaks down and gets finer and finer and finer and it gets into the atmosphere. So we’re all breathing microplastics in all the time. There’s like, what, 400 million tons of plastic made around the world each year that ends up in landfills. And it keeps breaking down from the sun and goes airborne. So, I’ve always been wondering: how could we clean out the lungs? And so the first thing we could talk about is this microparticulates.

SPENCER: Right. So the ability to remove a particulate depends on the size of the particulate and its electrical charge. Mucus in the lungs is negatively charged. So if what comes in is positively charged, which it often is, it can stick to the mucus. And also, if it’s relatively large, it can get stuck to the mucus. And then what happens is there’s these little finger-like projections called cilia that rhythmically move the mucus up and out of the lungs at about a quarter to half an inch a minute. And it kind of vibrates at around ten cycles per second. And then you swallow it and now it goes into the toilet. That’s assuming that you have proper mucus function, which requires bicarbonates, which is another conversation. But let’s assume you do for now. 

So the larger particles don’t tend, they tend to get stuck in the mucus. If they’re neutral, they don’t get stuck in it so much as dissolved in it. But either way, they come out. The question really is, what about the really tiny ones? And so at the very end of the lungs or the center of the lungs, like after you breathe it and it goes all the way down to the place where the gases are being exchanged, they exchange in a place called alveoli. And you have 400 million, or at least you start with.

MARTIN: Think of tiny little caves like a sponge.

SPENCER: Tiny little sacks. 400 million of these little sacs called alveoli. And that’s eventually where the oxygen and the carbon dioxide exchange in the lungs. And we don’t have mucus or cilia in these tiny little sacs. How could we? They’re so small. And if mucus gets in there, you couldn’t breathe. So the problem is, how do the alveoli get detoxed? Because if you breathe in really, really tiny microparticles like smoking cigarettes or you drive a lot and you’re breathing in the exhaust and the brake pad particulate or you’re in a city or the microplastics, some of that gets into the alveoli. How do you get rid of it? Okay. 

To get rid of stuff out of the alveoli, we rely on our white blood cells. And they can try to digest the particles. But they’re not digesting plastic. They’re meant to digest infections. 

MARTIN: Also, I’m also thinking of the famous asbestos. The tiny needles o silicates of some sort.

SPENCER: Yeah, there’s a lot of things in glass fragments that get in. So the first thing is you could try to have the white blood cells digest them. They can’t digest them. They can try to push them into the lymphatics and then get them out the lymph, or they can try to shove them out of the alveoli and pass them on to the mucus and the cilia to push them out. But regardless of how the white blood cells get rid of the particulate, they first have to know that they’re there. So they have to get tagged. And this is done with special proteins called lung surfactant proteins. And what they do is they tag these particles and they stick them together in little clumps. So the white blood cells can then find them. And they kind of put them into little garbage bags. Get them all together. And then the white blood cells either push them out of the alveoli or into the lymph. So that’s one way in which we clear that out. That is really pretty much the main particulate. Volatile organic compounds are certainly toxic, but they’ll typically come out. Or you can bind to them with glutathione.

And it’s great to do glutathione nebulization every once in a while if your lungs are a little challenged. But the third thing is, what about infections like viruses and stuff? So, the white blood cells also try to kill the infections and move them out, and they also have to get tagged. There’s these two lung surfactants, and this is a lung surfactant A and D. And they’re associated with this kind of defense and cleaning process, pulling this junk out. Now the other thing is, there is another aspect of the lungs that have to be dealt with and that’s water in the lungs. So think of it this way. Let’s say you pour a little bit of water on your countertop in your kitchen, and then you put a pot on top of it with a flat bottom. If you try to pull the pot up, it’s kind of stuck there, right? 

MARTIN: There’s the, what do you call it? Surface tension. Yeah. Surface effects somehow. 

SPENCER: Yes. Well, why is that happening? Right. It’s not like water is sticky, but water has this property called surface tension. It likes to stick to it. Water doesn’t stick to other things, but it does stick to itself. And so when you pull it up, it tries to separate from itself. It doesn’t want to. And so it’s hard to pull it up. Well, the same thing happens in the lungs. If there’s any water in the lungs what happens is the alveoli, every time you breathe in, the alveoli have to expand a little bit. And when you breathe out they contract a little bit. Well, if there’s water in the lungs, it’s hard for them to expand. For the same reason, it’s hard to pull a pot off of a wet counter. The water is sticking to itself and it resists. So this is why near drowning and drowning is so dangerous. It’s because if water gets into the lungs, it makes it very hard for the alveoli to expand. And that’s why even a little bit of water on the lungs is a problem.

MARTIN: So this actually also reminded me of the problem with cytokine storm, where all of a sudden you have the infection and the immune system goes overdrive, and you have too much inflammatory response in the lungs, and all of a sudden there’s a whole lot of fluids and you’re drowning.

SPENCER: So the way the body keeps fluids from building up is with two different lung surfactants called B and C. And what they do is they push the water out of the alveoli. And that’s one of the reasons why, if you breathe on a cold day and you see fog in your breath, that’s your lung surfactants busy at work, pushing water out of your lungs. So now the challenge is, as we get older and as we’re exposed to toxins, the levels of our surfactants decrease. So over time, the people start to lose their lung function. And what you can do is we can put up some videos if you want. I’ll send them to you so you can edit these in. We will definitely link that. Alright. So if you take a look at these pictures on the screen now, you can see that on the images on the left, you see lungs that have some darkness in them. That’s water from people that have gone through near drowning experiences. And on the right hand side, you can see that those dark spots have diminished to a great degree. That’s after they were given lung surfactants. So you can see the lung surfactants are actually great for near drowning. And it’s something that’s actually being done more and more in emergency rooms.

MARTIN: Okay. Awesome. So if you’ve had long term water on the lungs then the surfactant will help to bring you closer to back to normal, right?

SPENCER: Another aspect of this is there are some safe and effective decisions people have made that are specifically destroying the parts of the lungs that make lung surfactants.

MARTIN: And so we are actually less efficient at making the stuff that will keep us well.

SPENCER: Right. There are some infections out there that will damage the body’s ability to make lung surfactants. Which means now, not only can’t the body go after the infection in the lungs, but there’s less, as the water builds up from inflammation, it can’t clear the water. So, the goal would be, from my perspective, what can we do to support lung surfactants? 

We have a product called Alvectin, which has a proprietary yeast extract which may support the body in healthy lung surfactant levels. And when might you want to work on lung surfactants is a great question. So let’s go over who might consider this. 

Anybody who’s ever been a smoker. Anybody who is maybe living right next to a highway or drives for a living or lives in a very polluted city, that’s something you could consider. Anybody who has either a chronic or an active infection that seems to be getting them in the respiratory centers. They could consider something to support their lung surfactants. 

Also, if you look at your blood test, if your CO2 level is 29 or more, it should be 27. And once it gets to 29, that’s indicating that the body is having a buildup of carbon dioxide. And typically the way that could happen would be the alveoli are damaged or there’s not enough of them left, and the body is not able to get rid of as much carbon dioxide as it wants to. So a CO2 level above 27 is an indication that somebody might want to start supporting their lung function.

MARTIN: Alright. Yeah, I recall so well, my father, a smoker, would spend the first hour of every morning hacking, just trying to bring out all the stuff that came in the day before. And it was quite interesting. And now listen to this, I have moved to a new area. I have moved into a more industrialized, urbanized place and I now have more coughing issues than I’ve had when I lived in a better environment.

SPENCER: Yeah. When lungs get damaged, when the alveoli fail, it’s not the kind of thing that typically gets recovered. It’s really something you want to protect. You don’t want to lose alveoli as you age, and you want to protect the ones you have. Being able to get carbon dioxide out and bring oxygen in, it’s fundamental to how healthy you’re going to be and what your experience of having a body is going to be like.

So, I got to say, I was looking for something to support lung surfactants for 20 years, and I’d kind of given up on it, Martin. I was like, okay, it’s just not going to happen. They do make lung surfactants for premature delivery babies. But you need a prescription, and it’s incredibly expensive. And I thought, God, is there any way to support this in adults? And when I found out that there was, I was really excited. So if I either feel like I’ve been exposed to something either particulate matter, like maybe it’s smoke season, or maybe I’m in a car with someone who’s coughing and they’ve got a cold, whether it’s particulate or whether it’s infectious. That’s my signal. Okay, you know what? Let’s boost my, let’s see if I can support my lung surfactant levels a little bit right now. Maybe now’s a good time for that.

MARTIN: All right, so how do you administer this? Is it capsules?

SPENCER: Oh yeah. It’s a liposomal capsule. So it’s pretty easy.

MARTIN: So, take one. Take two. How do you do it?

SPENCER: Right. I mean, the stuff is harmless. So you could take lots of it. I mean, I’ve taken tablespoons. But basically the idea would be based on body weight. You could do 1 or 2 a day if you’re thinking, hey, I’m just going to do a lung detox. Or if you thought, wow, I think I’m coming down with something, what can I do to support my lungs right now? You could consider, I’ve taken as much as 2 to 3 capsules an hour for a little while. Just if I felt like I was at a risk to,

MARTIN: Every hour for the next 12.

SPENCER: Yeah, that’s what I’ve done for myself.

MARTIN: 24 capsules in the next 12 hours.

SPENCER: That’s what I’ve done when I thought I might be coming down with something.

MARTIN: All right. Okay. So this is like a rapid, let’s just strengthen the entire inner works from the nose in.

SPENCER: Well, most specifically, we’re looking at the alveoli. Now, having said that, if a person’s lung surfactant system improves, there’s no reason that it wouldn’t. Even though lung surfactants are primarily in the lungs, the ability to tag infections can happen anywhere. So it is possible that if you support your lung surfactants, that you could have a global improvement, regardless of where the body might be challenged at the moment.

MARTIN: All right. This is really good. I think this pretty much completes this introduction of Alvectin. It’s super exciting because it’s natural. You say it comes from yeast, actually, but it’s not going to give people Candida. Don’t be afraid of yeast. And here we are. Does it need to be refrigerated?

SPENCER: Does it need to be? No. Having said that, everything lasts longer in the fridge. I would say I would like it to be refrigerated. Anytime you’re dealing with small molecules that, um, where the shape of something is very important. So what does it mean for something to be colder versus hotter? The hotter a thing is, the more it vibrates. That’s what heat is. It’s a measurement of the vibration of something, how much it’s wiggling at a molecular level. And so if you have something that’s a relatively complex molecule, you don’t want it to wiggle too much because eventually it will break. Right. So when you have complex molecules, have them wiggle less and they’ll last longer. That’s not something you have to worry about for say something like, vitamin C. That’s very simple. But if you have something that’s a complex protein, then you would be well advised to keep it as cool as possible.

MARTIN: All right, Spencer, thank you for introducing Alvectin. This is awesome. So think: lungs, lung health. If you’re coughing, if you’re challenged by respiratory problems.

SPENCER: Well, I wouldn’t focus on the negative. I would say focusing on the positive. If you would like to support excellent lung health, then consider how to support your lung surfactant proteins.

MARTIN: Awesome. This has been Spencer Feldman from Remedy Link. Martin Pytela, life-enthusiast.com by phone at (866) 543-3388. Thank you.

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Podcast 483: Feral Cells

In this episode, we examine the concept of feral tissue, exploring its fundamental triggers—Short Chain Fatty Acids, Aryl Hydrocarbon Receptors, and pH imbalance. We discuss Spencer Feldman’s innovative, research-oriented protocol aimed at addressing feral tissue growth through a comprehensive 6-step program. This protocol includes products designed to repair the microbiome with short chain fatty acids and lactic acid. As well as products to shift pH balance. It also employs a trophoblast program using pancreatic enzymes and electrons. While promising, these methods are currently unproven and intended solely for research purposes. They are not medical advice, nor have they been proven safe or effective.

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MARTIN: Well, hello, it’s Martin Pytela. Life Enthusiast podcast. And with me Spencer Feldman Remedy Link Chief Formulator. Today we have a topic that is big. In the sense that a lot of people end up with very tragic health outcomes when they mismanage what we’re going to talk about today. Anyway, Spencer, let’s see how we can frame it without getting into trouble and stepping on toes of the people who are censoring us.

SPENCER: Right. Okay, so let’s start by saying that neither Martin nor I are physicians, and nothing we’re saying in this video should be construed as medical advice or for the treatment or diagnosis or therapy for any disease. Right. Now, having said that, we can also have intelligent conversations as free and sovereign human beings who are responsible for our own health.

MARTIN: Yeah, we can talk about physiology. We can educate about nutrition. We can educate about how things work in the body. We’re not promising that we are going to cure or remove or mitigate or whatever, any health condition. But we can talk to you about how health is built.

SPENCER: Having said that, as of pre-COVID days, one out of three people died of growths in their body.

MARTIN: Runaway cells.

SPENCER: Runaway cells. Tissue growing in ways we don’t want. Since vaccination, those numbers have increased. Some of them have. Sometimes people will go from diagnosis to death within one month. I suspect that in the decades to follow, it’ll be closer to 50, 60 or 70% of people will find that the end of their life is a result of growths in their body they don’t want. 

MARTIN: And post mRNA technology people now have this turbo version of this stuff going.

SPENCER: The term I’m going to use for this video is called Feral tissue. F-e-r -a-l. Now I’m using that word very specifically. And let me give you a way of, the reason is because the word that’s typically used has a lot of baggage associated with it. A lot of fear, a lot of scientific baggage. That word when someone hears it, they could feel that their body has betrayed them, is fighting them, is hurting them. It’s out to get them, that it’s an evil and malignant entity. And I think that’s the wrong way to think about our bodies. 

MARTIN: Yeah, let me just put it in my thoughts. The feral or feral or feral has to do with something that previously was civilized has gone wild. Think of it in that way.

SPENCER: So let’s say you have a family dog, a German shepherd, for instance. Right. And it’s a great dog and loves you and protects you and protects your family. But you weren’t properly trained on what it is to be a dog owner, and you don’t feed it for a month straight. Well, then at the end of the month, you hear a ruckus at three in the morning, you go outside and there’s your German Shepherd pinning down a chicken in your chicken coop that he broke into, and he’s about to eat it. Well, you go over there and you scold the dog and you try to take the chicken away, and he snarls at you, he may even bite you. Well, whose fault is that? It’s not the fault of the dog. It’s the fault of the owner who didn’t understand that you have to feed your dog. So, you could shoot the dog right then and there, but that would be violent and wasteful. You could poison the dog. Okay. Or you could go back inside and go get some raw hamburger meat and some bacon and a raw egg and put it in a bowl and bring it out and put it in front of your German shepherd. That went feral and went wild. And the dog might look at you and the chicken and the bowl of food and think for a second, and then sit down and gobble down all that food you made for it. Then lick your hand and go to sleep by your feet. You have now recovered your family dog. It is no longer feral. Right. That’s what we want to do with growths in the body. This was originally us and it went feral. It went a little wild and it doesn’t want to be wild. It’s just doing that, I believe, because we didn’t understand what it needed. So let’s back up. And what I want to show you Martin, if you’ll cue that logo now. Yeah.

MARTIN: I’m going to have on screen the logo. It has three circles and a bunch of words around it.

SPENCER: Right. So this logo is, let me pull it up here so I can look at it with you. Okay. So this logo is from the website feraltissue.com that will go into much more detail on the model that I’m presenting. And I want to express that this is a theoretical model at this point. We will have more information in a few months as we go through our first trials. Right now this is theoretical, but I’m going to present it to you because I think that there’s value to it, if only from a peer review perspective of opening up conversation. But also this may well be the model that is able to help a lot of people. So let’s talk about the model. 

On the logo, you see three circles and seven terms around. And the term at the bottom is good health. That’s where we want to be. That’s where we start. And at the end of the journey, that’s where we want to come back to. And then each of those three circles represents a trigger event, something that triggers the body into becoming feral or tissue thereof. The first one is SFCA, that’s a short chain fatty acids. And it’s brown because to remind us that that’s the color of stool, you need a healthy microbiome to make short chain fatty acids. And the other two we will get to that’s the AHR and the pH. We’ll get to those in a minute.

And then these six phrases around the, as you go around the circle, these are the various programs that the body, I believe, activates as a result of these insults, these mistakes that we’ve made. So the goal is to reverse these six programs, and we do that by addressing the programs directly, but by also dealing with the three causes in the middle that started them all. So let us start with the first one, and that would be short chain fatty acids. 

The microbiome, your gut, if it’s healthy, will make good short chain fatty acids including lactate, butyrate, propionate, acetate, valerate. These are all things that are very good for our health, and they control an enormous amount of our functioning. Now, you’ve heard of the term epigenetic. That’s the way of saying that, hey, genes are one thing, but the genes have to be turned on or off by things in our environment. And it is these epigenetic triggers that are as important as your genes, because a person can have terrible genes, but if they’re not activated epigenetically, that’s fine. And a person can have great genes, but if they’re not activated properly, then they don’t function properly. Even a good gene operated improperly is a bad outcome.

MARTIN: Yeah, you could start as a strong person and live a bad life and you’ll have bad outcomes. You can start as a weak person, but if you live well, you’re going to actually end up living a better quality of life than the person with great gifts who has abused them.

SPENCER: So let’s talk about what happens then. If the person doesn’t have enough short chain fatty acids because like most of us, they’ve taken antibiotics and glyphosate pesticides in their food and chlorinated water and so forth and so on. The body has less short chain fatty acids. Now, what the short chain fatty acids are supposed to do is they’re supposed to go on to these receptors that take them into the cell, and then they are there to interface with the nucleus and the DNA and give instructions to the DNA. Now, I want you to imagine that you’re a fisherman. Imagine a fisherman who needs to feed his family with five fish a day. He’s got a bunch of kids, and so he goes out to his favorite fish fishing spot every day, and he catches his five fish and feeds his family. Well, one day he goes out there, and then there’s only four fish and then three fish, then two fish. And now he’s down to one fish a day and his family’s getting hungry. So the next time he goes out, he dives off his boat and he looks around underwater and he goes, wow, there’s just not a lot of fish here. There are some fish, but not many.

SPENCER: So he goes back home and thinks about it. Makes four more fishing poles. Goes out the next day, puts all five fishing poles out in his boat, and now he’s getting some more fish. And it’s fun, right? So the fish in this analogy are the short chain fatty acids, and the fishing poles are the receptors that will pull in the short chain fatty acids into them, into the nucleus. Now, what the body will do when it doesn’t have enough of a particular ingredient that it needs, is to increase the number of fishing poles or increase the number of receptors. So that takes us to the first program, a receptor upregulation. It’s making more receptors to try to grab what it needs in an environment that is deficient. And so the indigo colored circle has the letters A, H, R. That stands for ARYL hydrocarbon receptor. That’s the receptors that we’ll be bringing in the short chain fatty acids. So let me tell you a story about a scientific mistake that happened 50 odd years ago that set us on the path of why I think feral tissue is still not resolved, medically speaking.

MARTIN: Well, it’s misunderstood because the genetic seduction happened, right? 

SPENCER: So two things happened. I mean, more than two of them.

MARTIN: Yeah. Right.

SPENCER: So back in the 70s, somebody found a new receptor in the body that would bind to dioxin, which is the chemical in Agent Orange. Incredibly toxic for the body. And they said, okay, this binds to dioxin. We’ll call this a hydrocarbon receptor, because dioxin is a hydrocarbon. Well, that’s stupid because God didn’t give us a hydrocarbon receptor, right? The first exposure of hydrocarbons for humans was maybe 800 AD in China, with the first oil well dug. Before that, we didn’t have hydrocarbons. So why would we evolve a receptor for hydrocarbons? Well, it was lazy. It was scientifically lazy. What they should have done is say, hey, this receptor is binding to hydrocarbons. Let’s find out what it’s really for. And they might have found out it’s for short chain fatty acids, but they called it a hydrocarbon receptor. And then they said, wow. This hydrocarbon, when it attaches to this hydrocarbon receptor, causes growths in the body that can kill people, causes feral tissue. And so everybody starts looking for toxins, like hydrocarbons that will cause that. Now, the other thing they found with feral tissue is there’s a lot of genetic damage. And everybody said, oh, look, there’s 50,000 genes that are screwy in people that have feral tissue. Certainly, somewhere something in there must be the key. There must be some gene that’s doing it. Okay, so these are the two errors. The idea that genetics are causing this, I think, is backwards. I don’t think that the genes are causing feral tissue. I think the feral tissue is causing the damage to the genes, and so they’re looking in the wrong place. Yeah.

MARTIN: Exactly right. This is the epigenetic explanation of what’s really going on.

SPENCER: Right. Now, that’s not to say that there aren’t some genetic mutations that make people more likely to have feral tissue, but more likely to if the short chain fatty acids aren’t there. More likely, if the toxins are there, it still requires some trigger, right? It’s a predisposition, but it still requires a trigger. So the first thing I would say is it’s not necessarily genetic. And the proof for this would be a landmark study that was done where they took the nucleus of a feral cell and put it in a healthy cell. And the healthy cell did not become feral.

MARTIN: Yeah,. You’re now discussing Thomas Seyfried and his research and he’s proven that this whole thing is a metabolic problem, not a genetic problem.

SPENCER: Right. And the other part of that study is they took a normal nucleus and put it in a cell that was feral, and it stayed feral because it wasn’t the DNA that was running the show for the feral issue, it was the environment the cell was in. 

MARTIN: And just to illustrate, I want to illustrate it so clearly, when you have an aquarium in which you are seeing sick fish, you don’t treat the fish, you change the water.

SPENCER: Yeah. Great point, great one. So because we’ve been looking at genetics as a prime mover rather than a secondary effect, And because we’ve been looking at hydrocarbons rather than because we’ve been calling these receptors hydrocarbon receptors rather than what they really are, which is short chain fatty acid receptors which can bind to hydrocarbons. The last 50 years, research went, in my opinion, down a very unfruitful path. 

MARTIN: Oh, totally. We’ve wasted billions of dollars. Sorry to keep interrupting. We’ve wasted billions of billions of dollars in the war on that. That is just so unfruitful.

SPENCER: Well, and hundreds and hundreds of millions of people have died.

MARTIN: Oh, yeah. We saved no one. 

SPENCER: So with all those extra hydrocarbon receptors, it’s just a vacuum sucking in these toxic metabolites of virus fungi, bacteria and parasites and these toxic chemicals that are causing feral tissue. So the first thing, one other thing to understand is this isn’t theory. 20% of all feral tissues are associated with viruses like Epstein-Barr, Cytomegalovirus, herpes virus that a lot of us are carrying. So, the spike protein Covid, actually hijacks the hydrocarbon receptor. It’s why it accelerates feral tissue so aggressively. So what do we want to do? Well, the first thing we want to do is at the very bottom, is we want to increase the short chain fatty acids. We can do that immediately by actually taking short chain fatty acids. We have a short chain fatty acid product called Phylamet. But also long term we want to recover the microbiome. And you know we’ve got protocols for that. But that’s not necessarily going to be enough once this process is started. So the next thing we need to do is deal with the hydrocarbon receptors. So the reason it is indigo-colored is because the ingredient that I think we should use for the hydrocarbon receptors is an extract of the indigo plant. Now, dioxin, for instance, has an incredibly strong bond to the hydrocarbon receptor.

SPENCER: It’s got like a, I don’t know, like a five-day half-life, something like that. You need to displace it. So what we want to do is we want to knock the toxins off the hydrocarbon receptors so they can’t cause problems. And then we want to pull them out and detoxify them. But to knock them off, you need something with a stronger bond than the toxin itself. And dioxin has an incredibly strong bond to this. So the one thing, the only thing I found that will actually make a stronger bond to the hydrocarbon receptor than some of these toxins is the indigo extract. And thankfully it’s nontoxic. So we have a product called Receptimet that has an indigo extract in it that I like. And what I want to do is I want to clean off the receptors, and I want to kind of seal them up temporarily so that while we’re pulling these toxins out of the body, while we’re working on supporting the immune system, to have the body deal with the viruses and fungi and bacteria and parasites, that those metabolites don’t hijack our hydrocarbon receptor systems. So I want to pull them. So, that’s the indigo color.

SPENCER: Well, I would actually say it’s more active than passive, right? I would say that these are actually little arms sticking out of the cells, grabbing and pulling things in. So all those receptors are actively looking for short chain fatty acids. They’re hungry for them. They want them and they grab on to what they think is short chain fatty acid. And it turns out it’s a toxic chemical. Some instructions by a bacteria or virus or a fungi to tell the DNA to stand, to tell the DNA, to tell the immune system to stand down. So it’s not so much it’s an opening in the cells. They’re actively being pulled in. So what we want to do is imagine you’ve got all these little hands pulling in all these toxins. What you want to do is you want to go and kind of knock the toxin off the hand and then put something else in that hand to keep it busy so it doesn’t do it again. And that’s what I like to use in indigo extracts for.

MARTIN: Awesome.

SPENCER: And when I looked up these indigo extracts in medicine, guess what I found. They’ve been used for thousands of years for guess what? Feral tissue. So I wasn’t the first person to figure this out. I was just the first person to figure out how it’s happening, right? We understood verbally for thousands of years that, hey, this works. They use it in Chinese medicine for feral tissue. They just didn’t have the biochemical sophistication at the cellular level a thousand years ago to understand why it was working, but they figured it out. God bless them. 

Okay, so this takes us now to the next of the programs, which is fermentation. So let’s say that we didn’t fix the microbiome. The short chain fatty acids are deficient. And now the hydrocarbon receptors are increasing. And that’s still not enough. The body says I still even though I’ve made all these extra receptors, I’m still not getting enough short chain fatty acids, but I really need them. So here’s my theory. My theory is that the body will then get or shift some cells from their normal function to actually making short chain fatty acids, that it’ll make some cells in the body ferment like the microbiome. Now, if you look at the work of Otto Warburg and you ask, what Otto Warburg said about feral tissue is he said, these are fermenting cells. Well, what’s the end product of fermentation? Well, in the gut, the end product of fermentation is short chain fatty acids. Now, what are the,

MARTIN: Lactic acid more often than anything else. Right?

SPENCER: Well, lactic acid is the one we’ve looked at. So let’s talk about that. So feral tissue has a lot of strange behavior that doesn’t make sense unless you are outside of this model. One thing is, it makes a lot of lactic acid or lactate. But that’s a very inefficient way to make energy. It’s like 16 times less efficient in making energy. And so people say, well, feral tissue is stupid. It’s bad. It’s dysfunctional because it’s not making energy properly. And if you look at it from the model of that tissue is designed to make energy. You’re right. It’s not very efficient, which is why it has to run 10 to 100 times faster. However, if you look at it from the model of it’s trying to make short chain fatty acids for you, it’s wonderfully efficient. So it’s very good from that perspective that it’s doing right. So the question is, do you think the body is stupid? If you think it’s stupid, then it’s making a mistake and very inefficient. But if you think it’s smart and it’s doing it on purpose for what it thinks is a temporary scenario, it thinks, hey, maybe the person got injured and you know, the caveman got bitten by a saber tooth tiger and isn’t eating food for 2 or 3 weeks by the fireside while he recovers.

SPENCER: That person’s not going to get food to make short chain fatty acids.  The body does short term things that have long term consequences because it, I’m not going to say the body is omnipotent. It’s very intelligent. But it does have this flaw that sometimes it will do things in the short term that will have a long term consequence. Now from the intelligence of the body, if you’re 20 and it gets you to live to 40 before you die, or 30 before you die, and you get to have a bunch of kids, that’s success. Your genes have passed on, right? Your DNA is fine with you having a lot of kids that you have at 20 raise till they’re old enough to be on their own and they’re 30, and then you pass away. So if we say, well, the body is stupid, it’s making these short term benefits for long term problems. Yeah. But from its perspective it only wants it only cares if you make it to 40. Right. Anything after that? Well, maybe you’re out of the gene pool at that point. You’ve already passed it on. So even to say,

SPENCER: It’s still not stupid. It’s doing what it wants from its perspective of passing on its genetics. It’s just not doing what we want for, say, living to 80 and good health. So okay, so now we’ve got these cells that are making lots of lactate. Well, what about the other short chain fatty acids? Acetate, propionate, butyrate. That’s an hour long conversation that if you go to feral tissue com there’s a video that shows the biochemistry about how all the mechanics and enzymes of making all those other short chain fatty acids are increased in feral tissue. Let’s just say that you know that science is there, whether it’ll be proven out at peer review levels, we don’t know. But there is definitely some good scientific justification for suggesting that feral tissue is there primarily to make short chain fatty acids.

MARTIN: So I guess the bottom line for me is let’s not be so simplistic as to think that it’s some kind of a mistake that makes lactic acid by accident.

SPENCER: Yeah, yeah. Or any of the other short chain fatty acids. Right. All right. And some people will say, oh, well, lactic acid increases feral tissue. Well, there is a study that said, okay, is it the lactic acid or is it the acid. And what they did is they added lactic acid and some buffer agents. So it wasn’t acidic anymore. It was neutral to some feral tissue. And the feral tissue started behaving normally. So actually short chain fatty acids seem to have an anti feral tissue effect, but it’s the acids that caused the problem. So why does that happen? So think about where acids are meant to be formed. Short chain fatty acids are meant to be formed in the large intestine. And the large intestine has several defenses against this. One is every four days the cells of the large intestine will slough off and go out into the feces that’s there so that they won’t become feral, because if you leave a cell around acid long enough, it can become feral, it can become damaged. So it’ll slough off. But one of the first, the other thing is it creates a lot of mucus as a protection. And we’re going to get to both of those. But one of the first things that happens, first things that happens, the green pH circle, it starts dropping the pH in the area. Now feral tissue is interesting. It’s actually alkaline on the inside and acid on the outside.

SPENCER: And again that’s not something we can necessarily get into at this point in this video. I would watch the other videos for that. But the green circle with the pH is there to tell us that it’s pH. That’s the final driver of the worst of the problems. And the green color is there because if you check your urine, you want the pH paper to turn green, which suggests that you’re alkaline enough. So that’s what that color stands for. So the first thing that happens when tissue gets damaged is stem cells are recruited to repair tissue. Now, if you look at feral tissue, it de-differentiates. It doesn’t look like the tissue it started. If it starts as breast cells, it doesn’t look like feral tissue in the breast. Doesn’t look like a breast anymore. Feral tissues in the lung doesn’t look like lungs anymore, and the prostate doesn’t look like a prostate. It differentiates. It’s becoming more and more like a stem cell. Well, okay. That’s how injuries are repaired. The body takes normal cells and pushes them back towards stem cells. That differentiates them. So the beginning process of feral tissue is a healing process. It’s the creation of stem cells. And the problem is that those stem cells can’t heal the injury caused by the acids that are building up in the tissue. So the body is trying, but it doesn’t really have the capacity to do that. 

MARTIN: This is an interesting point here because there are some other scientists that talk about electricity. Doctor Tennant came up with that, and he’s showing that cells to repair themselves correctly need to be in an alkaline environment. Right. So we’ll talk about 50 millivolts and all that.

SPENCER: Yeah. We’ll talk about the voltage in about another ten minutes.

SPENCER: So the stem cell part of this program is actually a healing response of the body. So the fermentation, and all of these things, the upregulation is the body trying to deal with short chain fatty acids, the fermentation, the lack of short chain fatty acids, the stem cell aspect and dealing with the injury. So the next thing that happens is mucus is produced or mucus. Feral cells have a lot of mucus in them. And well, where in the body do you find mucus? A lot of it you find in the large intestine as a protection against acids, or in the stomach as a protection against stomach acids. So the mucus is explained by this. So then the next thing that happens is sloughing. Now in the large intestine, when the cells are about four days old, they slough off so they don’t get damaged so that the damage they’ve incurred from the short chain fatty acids doesn’t cause them to become problematic. Where does a cell sluff off if it’s in the breast or the prostate? It can’t go anywhere. Well, actually it can, and it can leave and go into the blood vessels of the lymph and set up shop somewhere else. So sloughing is a process of the escape of those cells to other parts of the body.

MARTIN: I guess proliferation would be the word for that?

SPENCER: So the last program we’re going to get is called the trophoblast program. And that becomes a part of the placenta. Now, in animals other than humans that have an egg yolk sac. Reptiles and birds, part of the placenta actually leaves and goes to become the egg yolk. And it does the same for humans. But since we don’t make egg yolks, it then decides to come back and on its way back, it passes through all the tissue and tries to make its way back to the genital crest and into the ovaries and the testes. Because those are germ cells, but not all of them make the return journey. And it’s these kinds of lost trophoblastic cells that we believe are the seeds for future feral tissue. So we all have these seeds in us, places where a couple of hundred of these cells throughout the body that didn’t make it back. And these are the ones that I believe are recruited by the body to make short chain fatty acids for us because they’re stem cells. They’re they’re pluripotent. They can become anything.

SPENCER: So they said, okay, well become this. All right. So let’s take a look at some very interesting equivalence between the trophoblast or the placenta and feral tissue. Both grow very quickly. They both can exist in an environment of low oxygen and high carbon dioxide. They both have high blood, accelerated blood vessel growth. They both lack contact inhibition. That is, they don’t stop growing when they touch each other. So let’s say I get a paper cut. Well, the cells on either side of the paper cut are going to grow until they meet in the middle. And then when they touch each other, that’s contact inhibition. They say, okay, I should stop growing now. Placenta and feral cells don’t do that. They keep growing. Both have limited Krebs cell activity and make lactic acid. They both create the pregnancy hormone hCG, which triggers progesterone, which then stimulates migration and evasive behavior. You can actually test for feral tissue with a pregnancy hormone. So that’s telling you that there’s something going on between pregnancy placentas and feral tissue, right? They both produce enzymes that allow them to invade other tissue. In the case of placenta, it’s invading the uterine wall to kind of anchor in. So these are very similar tissues. 

MARTIN: Yeah. I have visualized it for myself as the placenta is really a foreign body. The baby is a foreign piece of foreign tissue inside of the womb. And so normally the immune system should attack it and destroy it. So it needs some kind of a signaling system that tells the immune system, yes, I am strange and foreign, but leave me alone.

SPENCER: Right? And it also needs messages going to the placenta to keep it from doing… What happens is that right about day 56 [of gestation], the placenta gets a signal to stop being aggressive. It stops invading. It stops making new blood vessels. It starts acting like normal tissue because if it didn’t and in some women it doesn’t. And then that’s deadly. It would keep growing and just take over the mother and kill her. And that does happen for some in some rare cases. So what is it that happens at day 56 that tells the placenta, stop acting like this.  That phase is over. Now it’s time for you to kind of become normal tissue again. And so what happens is at day 56, what we have is the creation of certain enzymes, certain pancreatic enzymes in the fetus. Now why would the fetus need pancreatic enzymes. It’s not digesting food. It’s not eating anything. It’s getting it all from the umbilical cord. It turns out that these pancreatic enzymes are the enzymes that trigger the placenta to become normal tissue again. And so there was a famous Doctor Beard who said, hey, I think he was an embryologist. He studied the process and he said, hey, I’m seeing a lot of correlations, a lot of equivalences between placenta and feral tissue. And he was the one that figured out what happened on day 56. So he started injecting people with pancreas extracts that had these enzymes in them and getting a lot of great results.

SPENCER: He was followed by Doctor Kelley and then Doctor Gonzalez. The FDA made injections of pancreatic tissue illegal, and so they had to go and make supplements. And here’s what ended up happening. The enzymes that Doctor Kelly sorry, Doctor Beard was originally using were in a precursor form. Right. So the enzymes were trypsinogen and chymotrypsinogen. And the ogen part at the end means they haven’t been activated yet. And what happens is those were getting in the blood and they would go to the site of the federal tissue, and then they would get activated at the site of the feral tissue, just like what happens in the placenta. And they were triggering the placenta, the feral tissue to calm down, to stop doing that kind of behavior. But when they stopped allowing that injection, people had to take it orally. And when you take it orally, what happens is the stomach converts it into the active form, the trypsinogen becomes trypsin, the chymotrypsinogen becomes chymotrypsin. And some of that happens in the small intestine. And so now we’ve got the wrong form. It still works, but not as well. And that’s why I believe people like Gonzalez were telling other people who are using that kind of protocol to take 150 to 200 capsules a day, because they were getting the wrong form.

MARTIN: Right. Yeah, the quantity had to be just right. Yeah.

SPENCER: Right. So when you see a protocol that takes enormous quantities of something, that should be a sign that maybe someone hasn’t figured out the absorption or hasn’t got the formula just right. So what I did is I looked at this and I said, well, what we really want are the trypsinogen, the chymotrypsinogen, the precursor forms. It’d be great to inject them, but we can’t do that. And if I give it to somebody orally, it’s going to shift the form. So what we did is we made it as a liposomal so that it’s protected from the stomach, and it opens up in the small intestine, and then the actual original form gets delivered. So this is.

MARTIN: This actually is genius. Really. You know, thank you. Don’t don’t just underestimate how big a leap in scientific thinking this is.

SPENCER: Thank you. So, the product is called Pancremet. And the idea is we’re trying to recreate what Doctor Beard, and then I think Doctor Kelly did it for a little while before he was shut down, was doing with these. We’re trying to recreate the original form and what we want to do is we want to give the same trigger to the feral tissue that they were giving, the same trigger that the fetus gives the placenta at day 56.

MARTIN: Right. It’s like me saying, okay, mommy, I have finished the growth phase of this initial. Now we’re going to go into this other mode, right?

SPENCER: Yeah, exactly. So If we take a look at these six programs, what we want to do is reverse them. Right? So what can we do about the trophoblast program? Well, perhaps, precursor pancreatic enzymes. What can we do about the sloughing and the mucus and the stem cells? Well, that’s all because of the pH, right? It also happens that the same pancreatic enzymes also tend to break down mucus, which is important when you’re dealing with feral tissue because you want to, the mucus can keep the acids from leaving and the supplements you’re trying to give from getting in. So we want to break that mucus sheath down. So we have actually have access to that tissue, which is something I don’t normally talk about, but that’s another way that plays in. So we want to shift the pH. Now, normally the person who did most of the work on pH with feral tissue was Doctor Simoncini. He’s no longer with us, but his daughter Minerva is carrying the torch. When I spoke to Doctor Simoncini, what I found out was that they were doing injections of sodium bicarbonate.

MARTIN: Yeah. It was direct delivery into the tissue.

SPENCER: As close as possible. And they were getting tremendous results. But and again, we know this clinically that if you change the pH at the tissue, you change the behavior of the feral tissue, it becomes normalized. However, they didn’t get good results if it had already become metastatic, or if a person had already done chemo or some other forms. And well, you know, that’s a lot of people. So that’s why you don’t just focus on one part of the equation. You don’t just say, oh, we’re just going to work on pH, or we’re just going to work on detox, or we’re just going to work on enzymes. You have to take it as a whole. So, I’m very grateful for the time that Doctor Simoncini gave me to help me understand this. 

So the first thing I was doing was I was actually subcutaneously injecting sodium bicarbonate into my lymphatic region. And that’s a great thing to do. And if you know how to do it or you don’t, I’ll walk you through it. But the other thing you can do is you can take baths with sodium bicarbonate. But the easiest thing to do is we make a product called Bicarbamet, which is the bicarbonates and a time release delay method, so that it doesn’t wipe out your stomach acids, and it opens up in the small intestine where it should be. But pH would be very important.

SPENCER: You could look at our Bicarbamet product. I could walk somebody through how they could do some subcutaneous injections if they wanted to do that. And you could also take two cups in a hot bath of baking soda. And what you want to do is you want to see your urine pH get up to around 7.5. If you’ve got a urine pH of 7.5, you now have a surplus of alkalinity. You don’t just want to get to the place that a healthy person should be, which is 6.5. You want to take it so high that you’re just flooded with alkaline. And the nice thing about the sodium bicarbonates in when you’re dealing with feral tissue is they tend to accumulate right at the feral tissue. And again, this is because this is not something trying to kill you. This is not something trying to hurt you or outsmart you. If you give it what it wants, it will work with you. It will pull in the short-chain fatty acids. It will pull in the bicarbonates. Right. This is the dog that wants to protect the family. It’s not looking to hurt your chicken and bite your hand. We have to stop this idea that this is something that we have to go to war with. This is something that we have to coordinate with and understand. Now, yes, there are some cells that may be so feral that they have to be killed.

SPENCER: And that’s a job for a functioning immune system. But I believe the mass majority are ones that we can recover. Okay. So now we go back. That’s a stem cell. We get to the fermentation. So we got the shifting of the pH. We’re moving backwards. We’re down regulating the hydrocarbon receptors. We’re blocking the receptors. Maybe we’re also going in there and pulling out some chemicals and some metals. We make products Xeneplex and Medicardium, if you want to support the body and deal with detox. And then we’re going to go back even further and we’re going to say, well, what started the whole thing? And my opinion is it was originally started at the microbiome level as a shortage of short-chain fatty acids. There’s one other thing we can do. You did mention the work of Doctor Tennant and he has done some brilliant work. And he brought to everyone’s attention that normal cells have a much higher voltage than feral cells and also placental fetal cells. Also very low voltage, actually, surprisingly, fast dividing cells. And so some people will say, well, we should go out and get electrically grounded. We should walk barefoot. And that’s all well and good. And I think it’s a fine idea. I don’t have the ability to spend my days walking barefoot in the forest and on the beach,

MARTIN: The climate doesn’t support it.

SPENCER: Yeah. And I spend most of my time doing research. So I needed a way to get an electrical charge. And maybe you saw this band that I’m wearing. So we have two electrical charging devices. We make the clinical version that goes up to 18,000V. Don’t be spooked by the number. It’s not the volts that are dangerous. It’s the amperage. It’s at very low amperage. And then that’s very high voltage. You could support the body in breaking down crystals. That’s a whole other ball of wax inside the tissue. But we also make the one I’m wearing at the moment, which is a portable charger which does 300V, which is about twice what you’d get walking barefoot on the beach. And so that’s like being grounded 24/7, or as long as you’re wearing it, you don’t have to plug in anywhere you can walk. You could be in your car. You could be doing anything. And the studies on mice, what they did is they did these studies where they gave mice some tumors and then they stripped them of their electrons. They put something like a carpet that the mice would have to crawl under as they moved around. Because synthetic materials strip electrons off our body and the tumors grew really, really quickly. So we know that the speed of which a tumor grows is directly related to the voltage that is applied to it. So although it’s not listed on this particular map, on this system, voltage is an important part of it. It’s not something that, it’s just not part of the process by which the body is reacting. The body, I don’t think, is lowering voltage. It’s more like a third-order effect, but it’s still something that we should address.

MARTIN: Well, I would like to just throw in this bit, which is, it’s the electrons. The electron is donated when you are grounding and the lack of electron is also known as oxidation. Oxidative stress. So when you’re donating these electrons, you’re repairing the deficit that you may have created through your lifestyle.

SPENCER: And so one way to think about it is you could buy a lot of antioxidants, to try to donate electrons. And what the antioxidants do is they are the transport mechanism for an electron. But once they donate their electron, what do they do? So you still need to have the electron. So let’s say you have a city and it needs to have trucks come in to bring food. If all you do is have the trucks come in with one load of food and you don’t refill the truck, that truck can’t keep bringing in food. If there’s no more food that goes in the truck. Better that your city has half the number of trucks, but they keep filling up with food, then having lots and lots of trucks that only take one, that only do one delivery. So the Earth is the ultimate antioxidant. The electrons come off the solar wind from the sun, hit the atmosphere, transfer to the Earth by lightning strikes, and then we suck it up through our feet. If we walk barefoot into our bodies, through the meridians, which then transport it to our cells. And you don’t need as many antioxidants which are the trucks to transport the electrons if you’re loaded with electrons in the first place. So if you’re out there buying lots and lots of antioxidants, you don’t need so many. What you really need is the electrons that they’re meant to transport.

MARTIN: So hug trees and get an Electron Charger.

SPENCER: Yeah. Go out for a walk barefoot in the forest if it’s a nice day or by the beach. 

MARTIN: Okay. So have you gone full circle all around?

SPENCER: I think we’ve gone the whole way back. Right? So we reverse it.

MARTIN: One thing I wanted to mention is, of course, the oxygen. Right. The pH is inversely proportional to how much oxygen the body fluid will carry. So when we were talking about pH and relationship to oxygen and how the cell will or will not respirate, we need to be aware of the fact that the more acid the body fluid is, the less capable of carrying oxygen it is. That’s why this pH of above seven is so important.

SPENCER: So to summarize this from a protocol perspective, going backwards through the programs. At the trophoblast program level, you could consider the Pancremet product which contains the precursor forms of the pancreas enzymes and a liposomal form. At the pH level, you could consider our Bicarbamet product that has the bicarbonates that open up at the small intestine. At the AHR, the aryl hydrocarbon receptor level, you could consider the Receptimet product that contains the indigo extract and moving down to the short-chain fatty acids, you could consider Phylamet, Pokegeshi and Panaceum to support the body in working towards a healthy microbiome.

MARTIN: Right.

SPENCER: Again, this is a model. This is theoretical. This is something that I would do. I’m not saying this is something that you should do or something you should do instead of doing something else. It’s just something to consider and hopefully in time, we’ll have enough peer reviewed study of this model to see if it’s something that can be of benefit to humanity.

MARTIN: Yeah, someday this may become medical mainstream. Right now it’s not. All right. Well, Spencer Feldman, wonderful amount of research and inventiveness in helping the body and the immune system in functioning correctly. I think this is a breakthrough for me. Anyway, thank you for listening. This is Spencer Feldman. Remedylink. And Martin Pytela. Life-enthusiast.com by phone at (866) 543-3388. Thank you.

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