http://quest.heltsley.net for notes. This show is about the church. A misunderstanding happened at some point in there, so we want to be sure everyone knows that Nathan Caldwell believes that Jesus started His church on the seashores of Galilee.

The Retrobots hijack the studio, while Keith was busy with lots of weekend activities. Fortunately, we had a pre-recorded show ready to go… more or less… Of course, it was up to Callie to keep a short leash on David, in a brief moment of behind the scenes drama, or the show may not have went out on time.

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From the book:

The New Testament Church

By ROY E. COGDILL

TWENTY-FOURTH EDITION

1987

LESSON I THE CALLED OUT BODY

There is a lot to say about what “the Churcch” is, and what it ought to be. The points in this outline are focused on one part of it’s nature… Being a called out body of believers, and what we’re called out to do and be.

I The Meaning of the Term, Church:

1. Derived from “Kuriakos”

Meaning “of or belonging to the Lord.”

Middle English chirche, from the Old English cirice. It is said that cirice in its turn came from the first word in the old Greek phrase “kuriak oikia” which meant “the Lord’s house”

2. Translation of Greek term “Ekklesia.”

The actual term used by Jesus and apostles in the New Testament.

A gathering, or congregation.

3. Literal meaning of term “To Call Out.”

4. The Church then in New Testament Scriptures means

A Called Out Body of People.”

A Called Out Body of the Lord’s (People).” Not a place, but people.

5. The word “Church” used in two senses in the New Testament.

* Referring to all those called out of the world into God’s service, (universally. (Matthew 16:18; Ephesians 5:23-26).

18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:18

23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.

Ephesians 5:23

* Referring to all those “Called Out” into God’s service in any definite locality. (1 Corinthians 1:2; 1 Thessalonians 1:1).

2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

1 Corinthians 1:2

1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace.

1 Thessalonians 1:1

II. The Nature of This Calling:

1. Called of God: a divine calling

(1 Peter 5:10; 1 Corinthians 7:15; 2 Timothy 1:7-9).

10 And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.

1 Peter 5:10

15 But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.

1 Corinthians 7:15

7 for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.

8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony about our Lord, nor of me his prisoner, but share in suffering for the gospel by the power of God,

9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

2 Timothy 1:7-9

2. Called into fellowship and peace of Christ:

Into one Body (1 Corinthians 1:9; Colossians 3:15).

9 God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 1:9

15 And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful.

Http://quest.heltsley.net for full show notes. Atheist views addressed by Keith.

In a solo episode, Keith shares thoughts on the parade of lies, and falsehoods that those in the camp of skeptics and atheists pass off as truth. The usual segments are tossed aside, and to help break up the monotony, the Retrobots do the work of presenting the common claims made by atheists.

The material was drawn from a book, written in the 1930’s, so some may claim that the author’s facts may be out of date. However, to the skeptic, what’s to fear? Certainly science will shed more light on the naturalist worldview, and even more religious myths of the charlatan will be exposed, right? Wrong. As science has advanced, more of the historic claims in the Bible, even the Old Testament, are being proven true. if the Bible is more trusted, with scientific advances in archaeology, it only seems reasonable to actually read it to learn what is being recorded in it.

Granted, opinions on the morality contained inside scripture will probably always be debated, but most of the time an atheist argument goes down is something like this:

* lay down unfounded myth claims, ones that can, and usually are later proven by archaeological finds.

* Propose assertions that nobody in the faith community believes. Something on par with the prosperity gospel types, or those who predict the end will come on a particular day.

* Sets forth a morality claim that anybody in the human race should believe, implying that people of faith are somehow outside that number.

* Then set out to build imaginary castles in the sky, all the while not accounting for the foundation full of holes, and on the shakiest of sand.

This book, despite its age, is no different from any of the top name authors in our modern world. The arguments against faith and the supernatural are entirely opinion , and though the claim is that science will somehow prove the believer in the supernatural wrong, it never has, and never does.though there may be no room in the naturalistic worldview for supernatural explanations, the more light the naturalist tries to shed in the darkened box of science in our universe, to the person of faith, it only broadens what they knew was already there.

Atheist Dogmas

Notes from the book: The Necessity of Atheism

By DM Brooks

Circa 1930’s

In his dedication:

The author makes the claim that gods came to an end long ago. The gods died when the one claiming to be the one true god came on the scene. They laughed themselves to death.

As silly as an opening statement as that is, Keith actually agrees, although when you consider the use of the word “gods” in its meaning as any lesser supernatural entity. Otherwise known as demons, or fallen angels. They certainly are laughing on their way to their death.

Forward

Religion is a crutch, and free thinkers don’t need the encumbrance.

According to Miriam Webster’s Dictionary:

Religion

* the state of a religious

* a nun in her 20th year of religion

* the service and worship of God or the supernatural

* commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

* a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

* archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness

* a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Keith’s responds to say the point is, that humans are creatures of habit. If the practices of religion are anything, they are habits. Not all religious practices are meant for all people at all times. Some of those practices aren’t even meant for more than a select group.

Even if religion is a crutch, even the skeptic has habits they do “religiously” where they find meaning and purpose. If not an organized religion , the free thinker still has some habit of comfort to fall ...

The evil question atheists donâ??t ask. Http://quest.heltsley.net for shownotes

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Probably the single biggest question people have that keeps them from faith in God is, “How can a loving God exist, and there be so much evil in the world?”

A better question, and one that’s easier to relate to is, “Can anger, hate, or wrath exist in a loving relationship?”

The answer is, yes.

We examine sources from the progressive, liberal side of the issue, comparing it to simple teachings from the bible. In particular how a parent shos love to a child. There will be no surprises to realize the model of love that sets God in place as our parent, matches the advice that even anybody can understand. In particular, we look at an article from Huffpost that follows God’s model of loving discipline to mold his children.

God’s wrath is slow to anger, he is patient with his children, but steps in when judgement dictates unsafe behavior, or other infraction where a lesson needs to be enforced. A parent may need to control their anger before dealing out corrective action, exactly like God’s being slow to wrath.

Parents need to reach a point where the child is removed from the scene of the crime, so to speak, and an age appropriate form of discipline is administered. Discipline that may seem unfair, or harsh to the child, but just as God is fair, the parent is in a better position to know more than the child why their behavior merits being corrected.

Love knows how, and wen to apply discipline, even when itg involves hardship, Judgment, or Correction. As humans we understand this, and because we want our children who we love, to become self-disciplined adults. If we didn’t love them, we wouldn’t care how they acted.

Love exhibits the love and faithfulness of God.

Deuteronomy 8:5

Know then in your heart that, as a man disciplines his son, the LORD your God disciplines you.

(ESV)

Psalm 119:75

I know, O LORD, that your rules are righteous, and that in faithfulness you have afflicted me.

(ESV)

Proverbs 3:12

for the LORD reproves him whom he loves, as a father the son in whom he delights.

(ESV()

Here’s the talking points to compare to Huffpost on Child Discipline

* Get a grip on your own anger.

* This is an opportunity for you to teach. Often children have to do the wrong thing on their way to doing the right thing. And yes, for that there is a consequence.

* Whatever the behavior was, you are stopping it. Remove the child from the scene of the crime.

* Say as little as possible. using your low, slow, icy voice. Mean business.

* Remove and isolate your child to a safe place. No words.

* DISENGAGE. Do not give your attention of any kind, negative or positive. Nothing.

* After calming down, revisit.

* Have a short, direct conversation, (about what happened and what will happen as a result.

* For children 7 years old and younger, have your logical consequence ready to impose.

(Logical consequences are directly related to the misbehavior.) You showed me that you do not know how to use balls responsibly, so you will not be able to use balls of any kind for the rest of the week.

* For children older than 7, in addition to the logical consequence, there might be a removal of privileges, or restitution to repay damages.

* Have patience. Know that it takes time for the lesson to take hold.

What happened to Sergeant Wilkes? Will Ben Styles beat The Masquerade?

Psalms Crossover. Psalm 9

A show that has been requested from listeners to hear one more time. With a short tag to open the feature, the original show from our first season plays through in its entirety.

Shortened from our original post in August 2015:

* Keith reports on recent doctor visits, and the alternative to aging.

* Nathan has adventures with computer upgrades, as Windows 10 was originally rolled out.

Keith shares about a meet up with James Kennison, from That Story Show.

* There’s some overlapping update with the Alive and Married podcast, and a Robin update, and good followups from the doctors. .

The Skype call goes through, and we’re priveleged to get Greg Koukl on the line. Nathan asks him about his testimony, about how he came to be a Christian. He also shares about his ministry through his radio show, books, and information that can all be found at Stand to Reason. Equipping Christian Ambassadors with Knowledge, Wisdom, and Character. You’ll find regular blog articles on apologetics there.

Educate yourself there with such current topics and articles on:

* When the Problem of Evil Gets Personal

* Be a Student of Your Craft

* Does God Judge Nations through Weather Phenomenon?

* Don’t Trust God to Protect You from Pain

* The Resurrection Was a Real Event in History

* A Clever Tactic to Take on Tough Questions

* And more.

We get into topics that are found in Greg Koukl’s book, Tactics.

* what he calls the Columbo method. What does he mean by that?

* It’s OK to approach someone about sharing the Gospel, but it’s also OK to walk away from a person if it means bruising the relationship with them.

* How did Greg develop his simple method of asking questions to grow a productive conversation with someone?

* Discover what another person believes, or discover tender spots to avoid

* The point is to engage others in conversation.

The tactics he talks about in his book are things that anybody can do, and not be confrontational about it. It takes a little practice at observation, and listening. No qualifications, or credentials are needed as a professional debater to take the pressure off, and just talk with someone. Sometimes people will still hang a label on you, and we talk about how to respond to that.

Sometimes people hide behind slogans, or sound bites from the culture that they live in as arguments for their belief. Is there any slogans, or party line statements that Christians fall back on, and should probably avoid? Greg’s answer may shock you! But don’t wory, he offers alternatives. Learn a little about his idea on avoiding religious buzz words. The Christian still needs to know what he believes, and why, then paraphrase those ideas into language that his listener can understand. How do you know how to phrase in a way your listener can understand? Because you took the time using the Columbo questioning method to learn about them, and what makes sense to them.

The concept of “putting a stone in a shoe” is described. It makes it OK to walk away from a discussion where resistance is met. Not every conversation has to end with the person coming to know Christ. It’s OK to not even get close to the gospel. Just planting a seed for the person to think about, a stone in the shoe to create a point of discomfort to start the mind thinking.

Being a good Ambassador for Christ means to first understand who you’re talking to, their needs, and be tactful and compassionate in responding to them.

Want to know more? Greg shares ways to find his books online. Print books can be purchased through his web site, str.org. If digital books are your thing, books are available as an ebook,

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