What is it like to be a refugee? What are our preconceived ideas? Maybe you have a deep understanding from being a refugee ourselves. Maybe we just understand Trauma.
For a while now, as I thought about who to interview for July’s podcast episode, one name kept coming to mind. It was so strong I couldn’t shake it, but resistance came in (I’m reading The War of Art which talks about the creatives’ resistance). I looked for excuses as to why I couldn’t ask him (which were valid) and other options of great people, but no matter how hard I tried Munjed’s name kept coming up.
With last month being World Refugee Day and this month the World Day of Hope, I could no longer ignore it.
I’m so glad I listened to that voice, as Munjed just happened to be in Sydney on a fleeting visit with a small window in our schedules where we could record. Whilst I knew a little bit about his life, from researching him before seeing him for my hip, I was not prepared for the depth of insights I would gain from this conversation. Munjed shows us that lived experience really does give us the best insights into policies and their impacts. It highlights the humanity often missing in politics and policies, how we need to be engaging with each other and ultimately the testament of the human spirit.
His goal in life is to leave the world in a better place than he found it, but this has not come easy; well, that’s an understatement. Even though the hits keep coming, his fighting spirit for justice just keeps getting stronger.
It’s clear the trauma he has faced has had an impact on his life, yet he chooses to continue to persevere. His reflections also encompass the importance of our experiences in life propelling us forward and that we learn and grow from them.
Calling himself a disruptor he lives by the codes that his father left him as he leads pioneering developments in medicine. It’s tough being a pioneer because you’re out there on your own, with no one having done what you are doing before. He doesn’t let injustice lie and fights hard for what he feels is right.
But how do you keep hope when you are stripped down to no longer having an identity and barely “existing?”
Munjed shows us time and time again how he continues to show resilience and the importance of acts of kindness.
There is one point in the interview he stops to thank me, I had not realised how moved he was by what I had said until we finished recording. I was genuinely surprised as all I had done was spoken truth. Munjed gave me my life back; I was allergic to titanium, no one was listening, and the position of my hip was shaving titanium into my body and slowly poisoning me.
During this interview, we do discuss trauma with a sense of moving through and of hope. I just wanted to give you a heads up, as this could be difficult for some people to hear with their own trauma backgrounds. I do hope though, you will see the hope in the story and feel the sense of pride rising in yourself that you are where you are today because of your inner strength and people’s acts of kindness.
We also mention seeing a dead body and working with cadavers (my friend donated his body to science when he passed) and a substantial amount of work seems to have been with plastinated body parts. For those of you who don’t know The National Library on Medicine states, “Human cadaveric dissection has substantial value in medical education. Not only is it viewed as a valuable educational tool for teaching and learning anatomy (Estai & Bunt, 2016) but it also scaffolds professional and emotional development in preparation for a career as a doctor (Flack & Nicholson, 2018).” .
Munjed states that all the bees are important to the hive; they all have their job to do. So any time you feel like you might not be important, remember you will always be an important part in the big picture of life even if you can’t see it.
We all have a purpose in life, whether we think it’s small or big. Maybe we’ll encourage or be the next medical engineer who creates something life changing. We need each other; no one is more important than another, whether they are a politician, a doctor or someone we consider important; they are still people just like us.
Kindness goes a long way to building a hopeful community. Look out for that moment this week when you could offer hope and do a genuine act of kindness, no matter how small you think it might be. Feel free to share anything that gives you hope in the comment section of this episode or the previous post Colours of Hope What hue are you in?
I hope this interview will encourage, inspire and maybe even help broaden your thinking as it did me.
Remember Life’s Like That, and when you harness who you are in this world, you shine as 2nd Chance Heroes.
Warmest
Talie
Living and working on Aboriginal Land with gratitude
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