Gregg Brown (he/him) joins Gio and Renée to talk about how he brings the lens of organizational psychology, behavioral science, change management, and talent development to individuals and teams looking to harness change and develop leadership skills in their personal and professional lives. From his early days teaching kids to canoe and macramé as a camp counsellor, working in harm reduction, and counselling sex workers, Gregg has always tried to use his "bleeding heart" in the service of meeting people where they are and helping them. Gregg discusses how these days, he's helping people figure out what makes their own brains tick, and coaching them in applying change management principles to create the behaviors and beliefs they want to see in their work and personal lives. Sidebars include the COVID-19 pandemic's long-term fallout and impact, young Gregg's Farrah Fawcett hair, and the universal human desire to be seen. Like the show? Go to patreon.com/listen2mepod to find out how you can support it! See more of our work: Gio at giografik.com and Renée at reneewrought.com.