Duncan Campbell:& Rick, one of the great gifts that you're giving us here as we read through this wonderful work "Cosmos and Psyche", we do all get "intimations of a new world view", as you humbly say. Not proclaiming "this is how it is", but these are possibilities that if we join in together in awareness, we can make a future of the kind that we want in this evolutionary journey.

Rick Tarnas:& Duncan, as always it&’s a pleasure to speak with you in your program.& You bring an extraordinary capacity for insight and clear articulation of quite complicated ideas.& So it&’s a pleasure to have the dialogue with you.

In this Part 2, Rick and I talk about the little-known extensive use of depth astrology by C.G. Jung in his clinical work and his realization that the collective unconscious functions as a kind of anima mundi, or world soul, evolving and maturing over time as it is energized through various cosmic constellations.& We also give examples of some archetypal constellations that have repeated throughout history with amazing synchronicity – such as the alignments in the paradigm-shifting 1960-1972 period and the previous similar combination in the energy field of the 1787-1798 period, which saw the creation of the United States, the French Revolution and the Mutiny on the Bounty.& We discuss the planetary alignments and the energies of 1981-1984 and their recurrence in 2001-2004, which were also present at the beginnings of the Vietnam War (1964-67) and World Wars I and II.& As in the traditional arena of our individual psyche, the point of having such cosmic awareness, particularly in turbulent times, is to consciously identify the larger archetypal patterns at work in the individual and collective psyche, and to transform and enact their possibilities in the most life-enhancing and conscious way.& (This was effected, for instance, by the worldwide anti-nuclear war demonstrations in the &“1984&” Reagan era, when in response the U.S. shifted to open negotiations with the &“Evil Empire&”, rather than continuing to fall back into the era&’s &“we = good; other = evil reactivity and nuclear escalation of the Cold War).

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To order a full transcript of this program, or a CD or MP3 of the complete dialogue with myself and Richard Tarnas, you can contact me at my website:& www.livingdialogues.com& or at [email protected].& Many thanks again for your attentive deep listening in helping co-create this program.& All the best, Duncan

Marc Bekoff.& We need wildness, to be the beings who we are, the beings who have evolved in our niche, if you will, on the planet.& Everything is interconnected, and so if you sever those tight bonds, something&’s going to happen, and I think what&’s going to happen is we&’ll move away from the animals, and we will miss them much more than they&’ll miss us.

Duncan.& Well, Marc, I can&’t agree more, and I must say that the specialness of our world is something that keeps inviting us into its embrace, and it&’s up to us to trust ourselves and our own nature enough to meet and accept that invitation.

Marc.& Duncan, it&’s always so great to be on your show.

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In a prior dialogue (scroll down on this site), Richad Tarnas, quoting C.G. Jung, spoke of the anima mundi, the soul of the world, of the cosmos, that animates us all.& In this dialogue, one of several I have done with my good friend Marc Bekoff over the years, we amplify the insights shared by Marc and his co-author Jane Goodall (one of only ten Ambassadors for Peace named by the U.N.) in their book The Ten Trusts.& These center on the evolutionary imperative that we allow ourselves to learn to re-awaken our natural and joyful expression, &“following our bliss&” in the words of Joseph Campbell.& As green architect Bill McDonough puts it:& &“Form follows function; function follows evolution; and evolution follows celebration.&”& Animals are among our most valued companions and teachers in this great adventure, among the &“endless forms most beautiful and wonderful [that] have been, and are being, evolved&”, as celebrated in the last paragraph of Darwin&’s On the Origin of Species.& Trusting and embracing them, we trust and embrace ourselves and all that is.& In Marc&’s words:& &“To survive and continue to evolve, we need to increase our compassion footprint as we reduce our carbon footprint.&”

To order a full transcript of this program, or a CD or MP3 of the complete dialogue with myself and Marc Bekoff, you can contact me at my website:& www.livingdialogues.com& or at [email protected].& Many thanks again for your attentive deep listening in helping co-create this program.& All the best, Duncan

Richard Moss:& Living Dialogues means a conversation.& A conversation gives birth to something that maybe neither Duncan nor myself, nor any of us when we&’re in conversation in this way, would have expected to happen.& Living Dialogues is very much about giving birth -- to insight, to connection, to connectedness, and to gratitude in the experience of those.

Duncan:& It&’s true.& It becomes a dialogue that expands, like a pebble in a pond.

&“At the center of our personal mandala is a much deeper awareness than that of the ego – the mind is still, all of our senses are alive to the present moment.& The sense of meaning is not derived from the content of thought, it simply floods us from within.& This is available to us with intention and practice, without the need for any intermediary authority.& Consciousness we see everywhere on the planet, and over time we&’ll see it throughout the universe.& It is not limited to our brains.& When we hear and follow the call of our Holy Soul, we start to realize that we are really on the evolutionary path, we have started to outgrow the human as an idea of itself, the human man or woman as an idea of itself.& The co-creative process of conversation and true dialogue between men and women is crucial to our evolution.& If we start with conditioned identities of what it means to be a man or a woman, we&’re going to just be in a ceaseless negotiation and conflict.& But we can start from a deeper awareness and the deeper consciousness that is not male or female, and is neither born, nor does it die -- whether you&’ve had that experience directly or not, or you just take on faith or trust that you can rely on your own understanding of your soul. What is needed now, what evolution itself is demanding, is that we experience the self-transcending power of the soul.& We do not have to change the world.& We only need to reclaim the fullness of our being that is ever-present and always seeking to awaken in us.& And in so doing, we become transmitters of a profound faith in life, and then the world begins to change.&”

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To order a full transcript of this program, or a CD or MP3 of the complete dialogue with myself and Richard Moss, you can contact me at my website:& www.livingdialogues.com& or at [email protected].& Many thanks again for your attentive deep listening in helping co-create this program.& All the best, Duncan

I’m Paul Hawken, the author of Blessed Unrest: How the Largest Movement in the World Came Into Being and Why No One Saw It Coming. One of the aspects and the expressions of this Movement is Living Dialogues, which you’re listening to right now. And I urge you to continue to do so to build this Movement.

As observed in my prior dialogue with Richard Moss (scroll down on this site), it is by evolving our consciousness that we will initiate transforming and sustaining ourselves and the world. As Einstein famously said: we cannot solve problems from the same level of understanding that created them. The whole of Living Dialogues are in this sense a kind of high-level “cliff notes”, accessible deep listening, for our required consciousness revolution, called forth by every part, inner and outer, of our alive universe. In this dialogue, Paul and I continue this evolutionary exploration through the non-hierarchical, self-organizing “human taxonomy” he has gathered, revealing the pattern of countless others of us worldwide engaged in this same resonant process – each active, diverse expression uniquely different, but amazingly none in conflict with each other, all harmonious with the evolving “immune response” of the whole.

“Blessed Unrest is exciting, compelling, and very important. It describes the growing unrest that I encounter around the world, the frustration and courage of those who dare to challenge the power of the corporate world. Paul Hawken states eloquently all that I believe so passionately to be true – that there is inherent goodness at the heart of our humanity, that collectively we can – and are – changing the world. Please read and share Blessed Unrest, a celebration of the awakening of the human spirit. It will inspire and encourage millions more to take action.” -- Jane Goodall, UN Ambassador for Peace

“This is the first full account of the real news of our time, and it’s exactly the opposite of the official account. The movers and shakers on our planet aren’t the billionaires and the generals -- they are the incredible numbers of people around the world filled with love for neighbor and for the earth who are resisting, remaking, restoring, renewing, revitalizing. This powerful and lovely book is their story – our story – and it’s high time someone’s told it. Nothing you read for years to come will fill you with more hope and more determination.” -- Bill McKibben, author of Deep Economy and The End of Nature

As Margaret Mead observed: “For the human species to evolve, the conversation must deepen”. As I say on Living Dialogues: “Dialogue is the language of Evolutionary Transformation – integrating and going beyond our indigenous and modern minds, to an awareness that we are active co-creators of an all-pervasive living reality, in ever-evolving dialogue with the cosmos itself”. In this dialogue, Paul and I talk about key world historical events we have experienced that helped generate the numberless organizations and projects that have spontaneously sprung up worldwide, and that are catalogued in a “living taxonomy of human organizations” in the very exciting new website www.wiserearth.org which Paul describes in depth. Wikipedia-like, but beyond that in its transparency and accountability, www.wiserearth.org is truly our ongoing evolutionary creation; and we are all invited to “the table which has been set for us to celebrate together” in Rumi’s words.

“If you have lost a sense of direction in your life, if despair dogs your every step, pick up a pencil and pick up this book. Paul Hawken, without a trace of self-importance, impales a very dark room on the beam of a very bright light here. In his hands, the civil society movement reveals itself as the action that has replaced the talk.” -- Barry Lopez, author of Resistance and Artic Dreams

“Blessed Unrest is a beautiful, soulful, crucial book. It is a manifesto of hope for the 21st century grounded squarely in the hearts of engaged people around the planet. Paul Hawken testifies on behalf of this “movement with no name” with his charismatic intelligence and insight. This book makes the invisible visible. I believe Hawken when he says we are part of the Earth’s immune system each time we exercise our active compassion in the name of social justice and ecological health. I love this book. It is a field guide for all that is possible.” -- Terry Tempest Williams, author of The Open Space of Democracy

“Paul Hawken has written an important and significant book – intelligent, compelling, moving, and hopeful. In the broad sweep of a history of diffuse and seemingly unconnected events and people he has found emergent pattern. That pattern, amazing simultaneously in its intricacy and simplicity, gives clarity to the direction humankind is moving in its struggle for survival. Read and regain a sense of optimism for our grandchildren’s grandchildren; and be motivated to ensure that they inherit a restored earth and an equitable society.” -- Ray Anderson, CEO of Interface and author of Mid-Course Correction

I’m Paul Hawken, the author of Blessed Unrest: How the Largest Movement in the World Came Into Being and Why No One Saw It Coming. One of the aspects and the expressions of this Movement is Living Dialogues, which you’re listening to right now. And I urge you to continue to do so to build this Movement.

SUBSCRIBE HERE FOR FREE TO LIVING DIALOGUES AND IN THE COMING WEEKS HEAR DUNCAN CAMPELL’S DIALOGUES WITH OTHER GROUND-BREAKING TRANSFORMATIONAL THINKERS LISTED ON THE WEBSITE WWW.LIVINGDIALOGUES.COM. TO LISTEN TO PREVIOUS RELATED DIALOGUES ON THIS SITE, SCROLL DOWN ON THE LIVING DIALOGUES SHOW PAGE HERE ON WWW.PERSONALLIFEMEDIA.COM TO HEAR DUNCAN’S DIALOGUES WITH DR. ANDREW WEIL, MATTHEW FOX, COLEMAN BARKS, RUPERT SHELDRAKE, JOSEPH CHILTON PEARCE, DEEPAK CHOPRA, CAROLINE MYSS, VINE DELORIA, JR., MICHAEL DOWD (THE UNIVERSE STORY OF THOMAS BERRY AND BRIAN SWIMME), STANISLAV GROF, RICHARD TARNAS, MARC BEKOFF AND JANE GOODALL, RICHARD MOSS, AND OTHER EVOLUTIONARY THINKERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD.

To order a full transcript of this program, or a CD or MP3 of the complete dialogue with myself and Paul Hawken, you can contact me at my website: www.livingdialogues.com or at [email protected]. Many thanks again for your attentive deep listening in helping co-create this program. All the best, Duncan

Coleman Barks (click on his name at right for Living Dialogues program), poet and leading American translator of the world-centric poet Rumi, has observed that “we are trying to create a civilization without elders to lead us”. That is not to say that this new civilization – or wisdom culture – will be without elders, but as I take it, only that in these literally unprecedented 21st century times we must become our own elders. Collectively we can do this by recognizing that only through mutually informing and respectful dialogue, between generations, between men and women, between different ethnicities, between different spiritual traditions and approaches, between private enterprise and government, etc. can we collaboratively bring forth a new wisdom culture. To meet the demands of interpenetrating globalization, peak oil, and global warming, such a culture must be planetary in scope, capable of holding the exploding worldwide diversity in a larger creative and cooperative whole. To do this, we also have to grow up, to mature beyond what Paul Ray in this dialogue describes as the narcissistic, self-centered adolescent economic model that currently dominates in many spheres. We here elaborate on what I have said in many of these dialogues -- that we can do this by activating an energizing remembrance of a deeper felt sense of unity that is part of our collective past, together with the individual creativity and innovation of our modern mind, to co-create the new structures and content of a transformed culture.

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To order a full transcript of this program you can contact me at my website: www.livingdialogues.com or at [email protected]. Many thanks again for your attentive deep listening in helping co-create this program. All the best, Duncan

What patterns are emerging in the 2008 U.S. Presidential Primaries? Will what Bob Herbert of the New York Times and many others have referred to as the bitter divisions of the last 20 years prevail and thus continue and intensify? Or will America be able to embrace real change and live up to its motto E Pluribus Unum, ‘out of the many we are one’, to survive and prosper in the 21st century as a respected and generative force in the world? In this program, I dialogue with Pulitzer Prize winner Joseph Ellis, called "the 'Founders' historian" by The New York Review of Books, and author of Founding Brothers, American Sphinx, His Excellency George Washington, and most recently American Creation -- about the tipping point historical significance and perspective of the 2008 Presidential Primaries and elections, and what effect a further divided or united America emerging will have on the survival prospects of "the continuing American revolution".

Will the de facto dominance of two "monarchial" families (the name-recognition-based 'collusive celebrarchy' as some have called it) of the last 20 years, with their commonality of encouraging ‘identity politics’ in the political spectrum to win power and govern through divisiveness, continue? Or will the 21st century see once again in American history an adaptive evolutionary transformation of politics in a genuine cleansing and fresh perspective, freeing us from the continuing self-serving gridlock and stains of the past and bringing new 'clean energy' to both process and policies, in the unifying spirit of Washington and Lincoln? As Jonathan Alter of Newsweek framed it, "will it be Restoration or Inspiration" that we choose now to be the hallmark of this next generation.

As I mentioned in my prior dialogue with Paul Ray on the creation of a world wisdom culture, in order to meet the demands of interpenetrating globalization, peak oil, and global warming, all parts of our culture, including our political culture must be planetary and world-centric in identity and scope, capable of holding the exploding worldwide diversity in a larger creative and cooperative whole. To do this, those of us in America also have to grow up, to mature as a nation beyond being in the co-dependent thrall of mentally adolescent politicians and other would be authorities whose narcissism disempowers and polarizes by playing on victimhood, doubt, ignorance and fear to manipulate the identity politics of both left and right.

In this two-part dialogue, Joe Ellis and I give historical confirmation to what I have said in many of my other dialogues – affirming that we can do this by activating an energizing remembrance of a deeper felt sense of unity that is part of the heritage of our collective past, together with the individual creativity and innovation of our contemporary modern mind, to co-create the new structures and content of a transformed culture. A new kind of inspirational politician is now required for this bold evolutionary and creative leap to take place in our public sphere, one who interacts by mutually empowering deep listening and opening to heartfelt eloquent speech that stirs the soul – evoking our deep shared hope that is in accord with “the most heartfelt and cherished version of our original intentions as a people and a nation”, in the tradition of Washington, Lincoln, FDR, and JFK, as well as Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy. Only such a figure can adequately play the truly transformational political role called for as part of our collective drama in this historical tipping point time, to bring new energy and participants together.

We who are the vanguard of choosing change are all called to lead by example, to meet the core challenge of the evolutionary impulse and imperative to realize E Pluribus Unum in all spheres. Barack and Michelle Obama are part of this vanguard in political life. By having the courage to choose change, repudiating deceit and refusing to endorse an expedient, corrupting strategy of sowing divisiveness, we maintain our truth and integrity, and build trust that we can feel inspired and “follow our bliss” to once again feel good about our country, ourselves, and the prospects for the species. I, you, we – all the personal pronouns together – can make history now by “turning the nation’s sorrowful partisan and racial narrative into something radiant and hopeful”. Otherwise, in the words of a recent Op-ed piece: “it’s not change, it’s not a breakthrough moment in American history. It’s just a nervous decision that we’d rather go back than risk going forward”. Are we collectively and individually ready to take this courageous evolutionary leap, to confront, expose and leave behind the either-or polarizing ideologies and politics of the past in order to meet this historical moment to secure an evolved future for all? If not, then that which we fail to transform, both inner and outer, through healing awareness, that which is avoided and kept apart rather than “transcended and included”, will show up, as observed by C.G.Jung, not as our destiny, but as our fate.

SUBSCRIBE HERE FOR FREE TO LIVING DIALOGUES AND IN THE COMING WEEKS HEAR DUNCAN CAMPELL’S DIALOGUES WITH OTHER GROUND-BREAKING TRANSFORMATIONAL THINKERS LISTED ON THE WEBSITE WWW.LIVINGDIALOGUES.COM. TO LISTEN TO PREVIOUS RELATED DIALOGUES ON THIS SITE, SCROLL DOWN ON THE LIVING DIALOGUES SHOW PAGE HERE -- OR CLICK ON THE NAME OF A GUEST ON THE LIST AT THE RIGHT -- TO HEAR DUNCAN’S DIALOGUES WITH DR. ANDREW WEIL, MATTHEW FOX, COLEMAN BARKS, RUPERT SHELDRAKE, JOSEPH CHILTON PEARCE, DEEPAK CHOPRA, CAROLINE MYSS, VINE DELORIA, JR., MICHAEL DOWD (THE UNIVERSE STORY OF THOMAS BERRY AND BRIAN SWIMME), STANISLAV GROF, RICHARD TARNAS, MARC BEKOFF AND JANE GOODALL, RICHARD MOSS, PAUL HAWKEN, PAUL RAY, AND OTHER EVOLUTIONARY THINKERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD.

To order a full transcript of this program you can contact me at my website: www.livingdialogues.com or at [email protected]. Many thanks again for your attentive deep listening in helping co-create this program. All the best, Duncan

What patterns are emerging in the 2008 U.S. Presidential Primaries? Will what Bob Herbert of the New York Times and many others have referred to as the bitter divisions of the last 20 years prevail and thus continue and intensify? Or will America be able to embrace real change and live up to its motto E Pluribus Unum, ‘out of the many we are one’, to survive and prosper in the 21st century as a respected and generative force in the world? In this program, I dialogue with Pulitzer Prize winner Joseph Ellis, called "the 'Founders' historian" by The New York Review of Books, and author of Founding Brothers, American Sphinx, His Excellency George Washington, and most recently American Creation -- about the tipping point historical significance and perspective of the 2008 Presidential Primaries and elections, and what effect a further divided or united America emerging will have on the survival prospects of "the continuing American revolution".

Will the de facto dominance of two "monarchial" families (the name-recognition-based 'collusive celebrarchy' as some have called it) of the last 20 years, with their commonality of encouraging ‘identity politics’ in the political spectrum to win power and govern through divisiveness, continue? Or will the 21st century see once again in American history an adaptive evolutionary transformation of politics in a genuine cleansing and fresh perspective, freeing us from the continuing self-serving gridlock and stains of the past and bringing new 'clean energy' to both process and policies, in the unifying spirit of Washington and Lincoln? As Jonathan Alter of Newsweek framed it, "will it be Restoration or Inspiration" that we choose now to be the hallmark of this next generation.

As I mentioned in my prior dialogue with Paul Ray on the creation of a world wisdom culture, in order to meet the demands of interpenetrating globalization, peak oil, and global warming, all parts of our culture, including our political culture must be planetary and world-centric in identity and scope, capable of holding the exploding worldwide diversity in a larger creative and cooperative whole. To do this, those of us in America also have to grow up, to mature as a nation beyond being in the co-dependent thrall of mentally adolescent politicians and other would be authorities whose narcissism disempowers and polarizes by playing on victimhood, doubt, ignorance and fear to manipulate the identity politics of both left and right.

In this two-part dialogue, Joe Ellis and I give historical confirmation to what I have said in many of my other dialogues – affirming that we can do this by activating an energizing remembrance of a deeper felt sense of unity that is part of the heritage of our collective past, together with the individual creativity and innovation of our contemporary modern mind, to co-create the new structures and content of a transformed culture. A new kind of inspirational politician is now required for this bold evolutionary and creative leap to take place in our public sphere, one who interacts by mutually empowering deep listening and opening to heartfelt eloquent speech that stirs the soul – evoking our deep shared hope that is in accord with “the most heartfelt and cherished version of our original intentions as a people and a nation”, in the tradition of Washington, Lincoln, FDR, and JFK, as well as Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy. Only such a figure can adequately play the truly transformational political role called for as part of our collective drama in this historical tipping point time, to bring new energy and participants together.

We who are the vanguard of choosing change are all called to lead by example, to meet the core challenge of the evolutionary impulse and imperative to realize E Pluribus Unum in all spheres. Barack and Michelle Obama are part of this vanguard in political life. By having the courage to choose change, repudiating deceit and refusing to endorse an expedient, corrupting strategy of sowing divisiveness, we maintain our truth and integrity, and build trust that we can feel inspired and “follow our bliss” to once again feel good about our country, ourselves, and the prospects for the species. I, you, we – all the personal pronouns together – can make history now by “turning the nation’s sorrowful partisan and racial narrative into something radiant and hopeful”. Otherwise, in the words of a recent Op-ed piece: “it’s not change, it’s not a breakthrough moment in American history. It’s just a nervous decision that we’d rather go back than risk going forward”. Are we collectively and individually ready to take this courageous evolutionary leap, to confront, expose and leave behind the either-or polarizing ideologies and politics of the past in order to meet this historical moment to secure an evolved future for all? If not, then that which we fail to transform, both inner and outer, through healing awareness, that which is avoided and kept apart rather than “transcended and included”, will show up, as observed by C.G.Jung, not as our destiny, but as our fate.

SUBSCRIBE HERE FOR FREE TO LIVING DIALOGUES AND IN THE COMING

WEEKS HEAR DUNCAN CAMPELL’S DIALOGUES WITH OTHER GROUND-BREAKING TRANSFORMATIONAL THINKERS LISTED ON THE WEBSITE WWW.LIVINGDIALOGUES.COM. TO LISTEN TO PREVIOUS RELATED DIALOGUES ON THIS SITE, SCROLL DOWN ON THE LIVING DIALOGUES SHOW PAGE HERE -- OR CLICK ON THE NAME OF A GUEST ON THE LIST AT THE RIGHT -- TO HEAR DUNCAN’S DIALOGUES WITH DR. ANDREW WEIL, MATTHEW FOX, COLEMAN BARKS, RUPERT SHELDRAKE, JOSEPH CHILTON PEARCE, DEEPAK CHOPRA, CAROLINE MYSS, VINE DELORIA, JR., MICHAEL DOWD (THE UNIVERSE STORY OF THOMAS BERRY AND BRIAN SWIMME), STANISLAV GROF, RICHARD TARNAS, MARC BEKOFF AND JANE GOODALL, RICHARD MOSS, PAUL HAWKEN, PAUL RAY, AND OTHER EVOLUTIONARY THINKERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD.

To order a full transcript of this program you can contact me at my website: www.livingdialogues.com or at [email protected]. Many thanks again for your attentive deep listening in helping co-create this program. All the best, Duncan

In this dialogue, I talk with one of our fellow visionaries (and media activist) Duane Elgin about certain of the core themes Living Dialogues has expressed since its inception. Included among these Living Dialogues perspectives are: (1) the fact that we live in an “alive universe”, in which our dialogues as humans are not exclusively with ourselves, or even “within ourselves”, but from my perspective, also with all of manifest and unmanifest creation -- involving a feeling for the natural world and the cosmic potential for goodness (acknowledged by Einstein among countless others), which supports us in our hope for an evolved future beyond the destructive fragmentation of our current cultural settings; (2) the recognition that as a species, our human family is currently in an adolescent stage of development, now beginning a kind of collective rite of passage into a greater maturity, so that we can go beyond demonizing dualism as a survival strategy into a greater sense of understanding and unity within diversity (“out of the many we are one”) – and so keep pace as a species within the evolutionary imperative coming from an infinitely expanding universe, which science shows us is continuing to further complexify and integrate at an ever more rapid pace; and (3) recognizing that, as I often say, “dialogue is the language of evolutionary transformation”, that we can only make this evolutionary adaptation and survival leap in concert with one another, a shared midwiving if you will -- involving multiple ongoing dialogues between all participants in this birthing of a new and deeper required understanding of ourselves and our world.

As the well-known anthropologist Margaret Mead once said: “For humanity to evolve, the conversation must deepen”. This is what the program Living Dialogues is about, with myself, my guests, and all of our deep listeners continually and collectively evoking further insights of this new understanding from and with one another.

In this Part 1 of my 3-part dialogue with Duane Elgin, we set the overview and lay the foundation for our subsequent two dialogues, in the process referring to certain themes discussed on previous Living Dialogues on this website (scroll down and see, for example, Programs 31 and 32 with Richard Tarnas and Program 37 with Paul Ray). Among other topics, we talk about the 20th century role of Joseph Campbell in helping us prepare for this next great initiation: the creation by all of us together of certain new planetary myths (beyond the tribal myths Joe documented and explained so well). We talk about how this collective initiation of the human family in the 21st century involves a time of reflection, taking an assessment of ourselves in our personal and social actions. I believe this process is a kind of collective vision quest going out beyond the range of both our ancestors and our conventional modern world perspectives, to a new third consciousness, capable of sustaining us in this time of ever more rapid change.

Among the key dialogues that need to take place are those among youth and elders, men and women, different ethnicities, different nations, indigenous and modern cultures.

I talk about the “ethical dialogue” psychologist and historian Erik Erikson said all civilizations need to nurture between youth and elders in order for a civilization to remain vital and survive and thrive. This dialogue about the values we proclaim and being accountable for the gap between those values and our culture’s lived reality is essential. Idealistic youth bring a certain wisdom to the table in that they have a passion for these values to create a world that will live as long as they do (sustainability), and they have a familiarity with the rapidly changing technology of communications. And real elders, like Socrates in his time, support that hope by stressing the importance of integrity and truth, in ourselves and in our actions in the larger world, in order to create change that will benefit the whole and endure.

The first step to creating a sustainable future together is mutual understanding and finding common ground beyond dualities of gender, race, nationality, generations, etc. Then we use new forms of technology (video, internet, etc.) to democratize and vitalize our communications beyond the non-reflective, manipulative, commodity and consumerist driven commercial consciousness perpetuated and reinforced by our current mass media, in order to make the leap to a new and deeper consciousness. Duane Elgin talks about his passion for bringing our mass media back into a responsible role in our cultural dialogue, offering the perspective for his focus on media transformation: “It is primarily through our ‘social brain’ (i.e., the television system and its interconnected computer and satellite networks) that the mindset of the species will be established and cultivated. How we use our tools of mass communication is not just another issue – it is the basis for understanding and responding to all issues.”

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In this dialogue, I talk with one of our fellow visionaries (and media activist) Duane Elgin about certain of the core themes Living Dialogues has expressed since its inception. Included among these Living Dialogues perspectives are: (1) the fact that we live in an “alive universe”, in which our dialogues as humans are not exclusively with ourselves, or even “within ourselves”, but from my perspective, also with all of manifest and unmanifest creation -- involving a feeling for the natural world and the cosmic potential for goodness (acknowledged by Einstein among countless others), which supports us in our hope for an evolved future beyond the destructive fragmentation of our current cultural settings; (2) the recognition that as a species, our human family is currently in an adolescent stage of development, now beginning a kind of collective rite of passage into a greater maturity, so that we can go beyond demonizing dualism as a survival strategy into a greater sense of understanding and unity within diversity (“out of the many we are one”) – and so keep pace as a species within the evolutionary imperative coming from an infinitely expanding universe, which science shows us is continuing to further complexify and integrate at an ever more rapid pace; and (3) recognizing that, as I often say, “dialogue is the language of evolutionary transformation”, that we can only make this evolutionary adaptation and survival leap in concert with one another, a shared midwiving if you will -- involving multiple ongoing dialogues between all participants in this birthing of a new and deeper required understanding of ourselves and our world.

As the well-known anthropologist Margaret Mead once said: “For humanity to evolve, the conversation must deepen”. This is what the program Living Dialogues is about, with myself, my guests, and all of our deep listeners continually and collectively evoking further insights of this new understanding from and with one another.

In this Part 2 of my 3-part dialogue with Duane Elgin, I focus on at the second of the three core themes of Living Dialogues set forth above, as we explore together in depth the history and stages of human evolution to see why we are at an inflection point now in our development, poised in an initatic evolutionary moment which could (1) make a quantum leap beyond our adolescent dualism and conflict into the beginnings of a real maturity, what I often call a Sacred Marriage of feminine and masculine energies, able to hold our rapidly evolving technologies in a non-destructive, nurturing, generative manner, a new meta-Renaissance; (2) degenerate further into complete collapse, ushering in a new Dark Ages, then rebuilding from a devastated base, or perhaps not rebuilding at all; or (3) remain stuck in a kind of polarized and destructive stagnation until one of the previous two dialectical alternatives prevails.

We review our pre-individualist knowings from the beginnings of human consciousness, moving into the homo sapiens sapiens explosions of artistic and spiritual creativity that emerged in our species approximately 35,000 years ago (evidenced by cave paintings in various parts of the world), followed 25,000 years later by the beginning of agriculture (the “domestication” of the plant and animal species), then advancing through city-states (with mathematics, astronomy, metallurgy, architecture and complex building) following the Modern Mind development trajectory as it continued into the industrial revolution, and now into our present “communications era” characterized by planetary modes of communication, satellite television, international air travel, the Internet, etc.

Many of us understand that we are poised and challenged to make a quantum leap of consciousness during our lifetimes, with the key distinctions from past eras that we may for the first time in human history be able to reach “critical mass” so that the transformation is both conscious and intentional, as well as a broad-based transformation beyond small numbers of aware people as have existed throughout history. We are energized in this by the push of dire necessity (global warming, species extinction, etc.) and the pull of extraordinary opportunity (the ever more available access to the whole storehouse of human knowledge and wisdom traditions, and the ability to democratically communicate with one another over the Internet, etc.).

Or, as I often put it in shorthand: we are challenged to keep up with the imperative of evolution itself, the increasingly rapid complexification of the cosmos in both greater and greater diversity and higher and higher levels of integration. And we can only do this by embracing an “engaged cosmology” together in multiple dialogues – within and between ourselves and all forms of consciousness.

As I have seen everywhere I have traveled throughout the world, there is a huge movement now afoot about shared consciousness, moving from fragmented consciousness to connection and dialogue – where we come together not just to share information, but to evoke an empowering revelatory awareness, one that sparks our ember of consciousness into an ever greater fire of generative and positive change and transformation. (Scroll down most recently and listen, for example, as just one example, to my dialogues in Programs 36 and 37 on this website with Paul Hawken.)

We can all join in engaging this evolutionary energy by participating in “conversations that matter”, such as these Living Dialogues in which your deep listening is an essential part of what gets evoked and articulated -- not only within the program but in conversations and awareness stimulated beyond when we continue to come together in an open-ended and open-hearted manner. Such coming together occurs when each of holds, in quantum physicist David Bohm’s term “a bank of the river” of dialogue rather than mere discussion. This is where the great river of Logos – the revelation of the Mystery – can flow into time through us.

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To order a full transcript of this program you can contact me at my website: www.livingdialogues.com or at [email protected]. Many thanks again for your attentive deep listening in helping co-create this program. All the best, Duncan