Today I'm chatting with Naomi Grevemberg. Like me, she's low waste and lives in a van, but the similarities pretty much end there. She's been doing van life for twice as long as I have in a van that's older than I am, and definitely way older than my own van. She travels with her husband while I travel solo. They like rural camping. Well, I prefer to stay in urban areas, etc. So as we're swapping stories and tips from our lives on the road, you get to learn all about van life from two very different perspectives today.