Recorded on 25th June 2025 on Zoom.
Fr. Carlos Massieu [00:00:00]:
Going to the chapter, to the content of the chapter. After receiving communion, Luisa sees Jesus crucified. She feels drawn to look at herself in him, to become like him about these words. This attraction to see oneself in him, and the desire to become like him is very important in our relationship with Jesus. It is a grace and at the same time an impulse, a desire that we must nurture within ourselves for the good it brings to our soul and above all, for the precious effect it produces, which Lisa describes. She saw that Jesus was reflecting Himself in her to draw her to his likeness. And she felt the pains of the crucified Jesus being infused into her. Jesus then speaks to Luisa about the central theme of this chapter.
Fr. Carlos Massieu [00:01:15]:
He wants Luisa's nourishment to be suffering not for its own sake, but as the fruit of his will. Everything we do and experience should be lived as the fruit of his will, including suffering for this union with his will. The union of our wills is the sincerest keys and strongest bond of friendship between Luisa and Him and between us and him. Continuous suffering will be the indissoluble knot that will bind us in constant embraces with Him. Luisa continues. And she sees that Jesus, whom she had seen crucified, was, on nailing himself, took his cross and extended it inside her body, feeling her bones being dislocated and a hand, that she cannot tell whose it was, was piercing her hands and feet. Moreover, she saw or felt Jesus sitting on that cross, taking the light in her suffering and in the one who was piercing her hands and feet. Who was it that was piercing her hands? Jesus explains this to her.
Fr. Carlos Massieu [00:02:54]:
He could not rest. He could now rest. And he didn't even have to go through the trouble of crucifying her Himself. And the answer to the question, obedience wants to do everything. That hand was obedience. Obedience wants to do everything. And Jesus said, I freely leave you in the hands of obedience. Then what allows Jesus to rest in us is obedience, which for Louisa, comes imposed by the Church through the priest when his spouse, the Church fulfills her mission, inspired by God, to impose obedience on the chosen victim.
Fr. Carlos Massieu [00:03:46]:
The Church acts in the in the place of Jesus. And he can rest as he makes these souls like Himself. Luisa continues. She tells us that Jesus, getting up from the cross, laid himself on her heart to rest. Jesus rests when he can make us like Himself. This is the core of likeness. He rests when he can make us like Himself, especially in his love for the cross willingly suffered. And that she remained in this position for a long time and that it caused her great pain, and unlike other times, he did not quickly relieve her by returning her to her natural state, nor did she see the hand that had crucified her.
Fr. Carlos Massieu [00:04:47]:
She told all these to Jesus, who told almost playfully, that was not he but obedience that put her on the cross, and therefore obedience must be the one to free her. Luisa concludes this chapter saying that finally Jesus grants her the grace of being free, and I conclude saying in relationship of the title or titles, those that we have and those written in Luisa's index or listed in the index of some of the volumes. As seen in this chapter, the title does not always give us a complete idea of the teaching that Jesus gives us, either directly or through wisa. That is why both the title and certainly the content should be read and meditated, meditated on attentively. Do you have any question or commentary on this beautiful and profound chapter.
