In this episode of “I Am Citizen Abels,” The Citizen and longtime and very smart friend, Ken Perry, discuss his passion for longevity and wisdom. Ken talks about experts and well-known YouTubers and health experts, Peter Ragnar and John Rose, two men who he credits with tremendous insight into leading a better, happier, and longer life. Nothing from Daoism to The Citizen’s raisins go untouched in this great conversation. And believe you and me, The Citizen never likes to have his raisins untouched.