Is baptism the final step after a checklist of Bible studies — or simply a response to encountering and deciding to follow Jesus? In this episode, Mike and James talk with Pastor Ben Martin about the purpose and timing of baptism, and whether we've made it more complicated than it needs to be.

In this follow-up episode, James reflects on his journey into legalism, the fruit of that experience, and the gradual shift toward a faith no longer driven by fear.

We’re kicking things off with Mike’s story — how he came into faith with a heavy dose of legalism, and what it took to start letting that go.

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