Sen. Jim Perry returns as the podcast interview host for a second week to talk with lobbyist Brian Lewis about his transient mobile home life in eastern North Carolina, his start in NC politics in 1994, and how a lobbying mistake in 2011 led him down a path to #DoPoliticsBetter.  

House Majority Leader John Bell also returns to the podcast as Skye David's guest co-host this week.  They cover the latest from the Attorney General Josh Stein criminal investigation, Medicaid expansion talks, and the 2022 mid-term elections.  They also talk a little Tiger King, Joe Exotic, and more.  

The Do Politics Better podcast is sponsored by New Frame, the NC Travel Industry Association, and the NC Beer & Wine Wholesalers Association.