The Ultimate Insider’s Look at Big Pharma, the AI Healthcare Revolution, and Doing Business in China.

About the Guest: Ben Wu

Ben Wu is a healthcare executive with over 30 years of experience in the pharmaceutical industry. Trained as a pharmacist in Canada, he spent 14 years at Johnson & Johnson, eventually becoming a General Manager for the Greater China region. He has held CEO and VP roles across major pharmaceutical companies in the Asia Pacific. Having lived and worked extensively in both the East and the West, he brings an unmatched perspective on global healthcare, biotechnology, and cross-border business.

About the Host: Leon Ge

Leon Ge is an ex-Googler, founder, investor and industrial systems thinker working across China, Europe and Southeast Asia. He focuses on materials, manufacturing, supply chains and the geopolitical shifts reshaping the real economy. He is also the founder and CEO of Tocco, where he is building an industrial intelligence platform.In this episode, we cover:

• Why drug development relies so heavily on "luck" and the staggering realities behind bringing a new drug to market.
• How Big Pharma truly operates, why giants like J&J buy startups instead of doing their own R&D, and whether they are a "force for good".
• The massive disruption AI is bringing to the medical field—from taking the guesswork out of drug discovery to standardizing patient treatments and bringing down costs.
• The real differences between Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and Western medicine, and how the two are slowly merging in modern hospitals.
• What it's really like doing business in China as an outsider, the power of Guanxi, and why building deep, lifelong trust is essential.
• A pragmatic view on the future: Why the world is actually getting better, the reality of human longevity, and how AI is creating more opportunities for the next generation.

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The Ultimate Insider’s Look at the Collapsing Global Order, Vietnam's Rise, and the Shifting Power Dynamics Between East and West.

About the Guest: Tu Minh Tri

Tu Minh Tri is a Saigon native and a political scientist by training, holding degrees from the University of Cambridge and LSE. He has worked in think tanks and management consulting across the UK and is currently a researcher at RMIT University Vietnam, focusing on sustainability policy and emissions trading schemes. As a Gen-Z scholar, he brings a sharp, pragmatic, and highly educated perspective to the most pressing geopolitical shifts of our time.

About the Host: Leon Ge

Leon Ge is an ex-Googler, founder, investor and industrial systems thinker working across China, Europe and Southeast Asia. He focuses on materials, manufacturing, supply chains and the geopolitical shifts reshaping the real economy. He is also the founder and CEO of Tocco, where he is building an industrial intelligence platform.

In this episode, we cover:

• Why the old geopolitical order is dead, the rise of nativist parties in the West, and how the Iran conflict affects global inflation.
• The truth behind Vietnam's economic boom, the risk of the "middle-income trap," and why demographic challenges mean Vietnam might grow old before it grows rich.
• The complex history of Vietnamese nationalism, shedding French colonial legacies, and the pragmatism of Ho Chi Minh.
• Europe's stagnation and the political paralysis that is threatening its social democratic model.
• The nuanced reality of Taiwan-China relations and why China is becoming "cool" again globally.
• Why sustainability and the physical world matter more than ever in an era of global conflict and the rise of AI.

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The Ultimate Insider’s Look at China, Europe’s Decline, and the Future of the Global Economy.

🎙️About the Guest: Sven Agten

Sven Agten is a Belgian executive, author and columnist who has spent more than 20 years living and working in China. He is CEO Asia Pacific at RHEINZINK, a Chinese green card holder, and a veteran operator with deep experience in general management, market entry, joint ventures, manufacturing build-outs and cross-border growth across China and Asia Pacific. He has also written extensively on doing business in China, the Chinese economy and Europe’s strategic challenges, bringing a rare mix of industrial, geopolitical and on-the-ground perspective.

🎙️About the Host: Leon Ge

Leon Ge is an ex-Googler, founder, investor and industrial systems thinker working across China, Europe and Southeast Asia. He focuses on materials, manufacturing, supply chains and the geopolitical shifts reshaping the real economy. He is also the founder and CEO of Tocco, where he is building an industrial intelligence platform.

In this episode, we cover:

• Sven’s wild journey from an unemployed historian in Belgium to a leading multinational CEO in Shanghai
• The massive culture shock of doing business in China and why Western "planning" often fails in the East
• Why Europe is facing a "five-front war" and how Western automakers completely missed the Chinese EV revolution
• The truth about Chinese innovation: Why it's no longer about "stealing IP" but dominating the global high-tech transition in robotics, biotech, and manufacturing
• How to position yourself and your business for the next 20 years of massive global disruption

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• Check out Tocco Agency with Industrial Advisory Program in China & Vietnam https://tocco.agency/