Daniel talks to Jason about poverty, mental health policy, the importance of lived experience and the faith that continues to guide him through work and life.

Jason is Head of Policy and Advocacy for beyondblue, one of Australia's best-known mental health services. Before that he led social policy work within The Salvation Army for more than a decade.

This episode was recorded in September 2020 via Zoom. Thanks to Thomas Hayes for advice and assistance with editing.

Daniel talks to Sally about the fight for equality, country and western music, lateral hostility and her proudest moments.

Sally is a quiet rockstar of Australia's LGBTIQ+ community, breaking down barriers and never giving up the fight for justice. She has been instrumental in winning countless legal reforms, including Victoria's historic birth certificate changes.

You can read more on Sally's website: www.sallygoldner.com.

This episode was recorded in October 2019 and broadcast 22 October 2020. Thanks to Adam Branson, Jinghua Qian and Thomas Hayes for their advice and/or assistance in editing this episode.