Jeremy talks to Lord Sumption, a senior judge and former member of the Supreme Court who has suggested that in its covid response the government has overstepped its legal authority and that the public needs to resist its totalitarian instincts.

Note: this is meant to be a pub lock in rather than a podcast about the news, but these are extraordinary times we're living through and it's perverse to ignore that fact, so this is one of a handful of 'off-script' episodes we'll be putting out alongside our regular chats. 

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