Lots of Planets Have a North

As we finish our time with Series 8, Jacob returns to “my old friend alienation,” Ciarán’s suspension of disbelief snaps unexpectedly, and the afterlife turns out to be very Mark Fisher. We wrap up our series-long discussions of abstracted thinking, the Doctor’s attitude towards soldiers and the rediscovery of wonder, and get into a bonus discussion of the complexity of multiple overlapping readings of art, as a treat. Join us in getting overwhelmed all over again by the volcano scene from ‘Dark Water’ and somehow ending up talking about ‘Hell Bent’ a lot, inevitably, and stick around for perhaps our most divergent rankings to date.

Flatline: 0:47

In the Forest of the Night: 26:48

Dark Water/Death in Heaven: 39:07

Final thoughts and rankings: 1:18:46

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Back with the Twelfth Doctor, we find plenty of superlatives to throw at ‘Listen,’ including comparing it to both a critically acclaimed horror film and an episode of Buffy (which is also critically acclaimed), not to mention finding the Master’s secret origin in it. That done, we spend almost no time on ‘Time Heist,’ find a surprising amount to say about ‘The Caretaker’ (including a scurrilous rumour that neither of us put any credence in), and a famously divisive episode proves… well, divisive. Plus the Gothic returns, as it always seems to do, funnily enough.

Listen: 1:03

Time Heist: 33:24

The Caretaker: 42:32

Kill the Moon: 57:10

Mummy on the Orient Express: 1:15:43

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It’s our long-awaited return to our beloved Peter Capaldi, even if we do find him in particularly offputting mode (count how many times the word “abrasive” comes up in the first ten minutes). We ponder whether the early Capaldi era is too aesthetically tentative at times, Victorian London is finally done justice in ‘Deep Breath,’ and ‘The Caretaker’ unexpectedly emerges as the crucial episode of the entire series, for some reason. Postmodernism, utilitarianism, and utopianism are all put through the wringer of discussion – and that’s just in regard to one episode.

The Twelfth Doctor: 01:47

Clara and Danny: 12:05

Deep Breath: 34:43

Into the Dalek: 1:06:05

Robot of Sherwood: 1:20:06

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In this episode, the Eternals have some distressing contemporary resonances, the Master is smoked paprika, and Terminus has an obvious reading that somehow neither of us have encountered before (do get in touch if you know a source that does it well). Ciarán somehow manages to get the words “moral ambiguity” and “Black Guardian” into the same sentence without breaking the English language, before Jacob exclusively reveals said Guardian’s side gig. We also talk quite substantially about the other two Davison seasons, possibly freeing ourselves of the obligation of actually covering them in the process.

Very minor errata that occurred to me (Ciarán) in editing: it’s the Battle of Waterloo, not the First World War, that is said to have been won “on the playing fields of Eton” (quite the opposite is often said of WWI), while the Robert Browning poem mentioned as a source for The Five Doctors is “Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came,” which I think I was mixing up with “Childe Harold’s Pilgrimage,” by Lord Byron. Everything Jacob said is perfect, as always.

Mawdryn Undead: 0:35

Terminus: 20:56

Enlightenment: 43:51

The King’s Demons: 1:02:32

The Five Doctors: 1:18:34

Rankings and Conclusions: 1:34:45

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In this episode, we finally confront the great schism of the podcast: Ciarán and Jacob’s respective takes on the Fifth Doctor. This cathartic outburst done, we settle into giving Eric Saward some credit for once (though not for long), lamenting the wasted potential of numerous actors and, naturally, some Black Guardian impressions. Come to find out why the Davison-era TARDIS team is “peak neoliberal,” stay for us being defeated utterly by Snakedance.

[And yes, the Omega discussion was recorded well, well before ‘Wish World’/‘The Reality War;’ apparently we’re just very in tune with Russell The Davies, surprisingly.]

The Fifth Doctor: 2:13

Tegan, Nyssa, Turlough: 22:56

Script Editor Eric Saward: 47:16

Producer John Nathan-Turner (again): 56:40

Arc of Infinity: 1:12:59

Snakedance: 1:29:33

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NOTE: This episode was recorded before the most recent charges against Huw Edwards were publicly released, and it’s likely that our tone in discussing him would have been less light-hearted had it been recorded a few weeks later. I [Ciarán] don’t see this as inherently a bad thing, as it’s in keeping with the very lightweight nature of ‘Fear Her,’ but it is somewhat less than timely, and deserves an explanation.

Peter Kay’s accent causes Ciarán some consternation, Kel the council worker warms our hearts, and the Daleks are too much for Jacob’s elderly ears. We talk queerness in both broad and specific senses, the broad treatment of race in ‘Fear Her,’ and Jacob’s running critique of imperialism throughout the series comes to a head (sort of). Which 1980s band has Ciarán decided that he is “the Elton of,” and what are the Keir Starmer and Chris Chibnall Zones? All will be revealed…

Love and Monsters: 0:37

Fear Her: 29:22

Army of Ghosts/Doomsday: 46:50

Final thoughts and rankings: 1:11:44

Next time…: 1:28:11

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Clockwork robots attack the Enlightenment, Cybermen attack every conceivable concept, and Mark Gatiss somewhat confusedly attacks the concept of empire and the post-war state. Join us as we talk Ricky’s Newsround gang, people being sucked off by the TV (I said what I said) and Sutekh stuck at the bottom of a crater. Also, Tat Wood (of About Time) is referenced so often that he might as well be credited as a co-host.

The Girl in the Fireplace: 0:32

Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel: 19:26

The Idiot’s Lantern: 38:47

The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit: 1:02:15

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The time has come for us to face down David Tennant once more, presumably in some kind of overwrought shouty showdown. We go from cat nuns to werewolf-worshipping kung fu monks, thus confirming (yet again) that Catholics are inherently evil and sexy, and Alfred Tennyson proves surprisingly relevant. Jacob reveals secrets of his childhood, Ciarán reveals secrets of the English education system, and New Earth proves to house very few secrets indeed. Listen out for “one of the more slanderous comments [Ciarán] will ever make on this podcast.”

The Tenth Doctor: 4:02

Rose (and supporting cast): 17:44

New Earth: 25:46

Tooth and Claw: 41:55

School Reunion: 59:05

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In the second part of our look at Tom Baker’s final season, we wax (appropriately) lyrical about Warrior’s Gate, muse on the poor observation skills of the people of Traken, and mourn Aunty Vanessa (because someone has to). Jacob has issues with Traken as a moral fable, Ciarán ponders whether the Keeper is more Arthur Scargill or Ian Paisley, and we come to a distressing realisation about the inhabitants of Logopolis.

Warrior’s Gate: 0:35

The Keeper of Traken: 28:29

Logopolis: 46:00

Conclusions and rankings: 1:17:58

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After a long absence in E-space, we’ve returned to talk Tom Baker’s climactic final season, featuring the uses of science and knowledge, the collapse of the post-war consensus, and, unfortunately, Adric. Jacob suggests some fun new torture methods for the CIA, Ciarán is unimpressed by the name ‘Dexeter,’ and we want our vampires as hammy as possible. Keep an ear out for Jacob’s fortuitous prediction of ‘73 Yards’ (this was recorded just over a week before that episode aired).

The Fourth Doctor: 01:43

Companions: 09:36

Script Editor Christopher Bidmead: 16:54

Producer John Nathan-Turner: 23:48

The Leisure Hive: 34:26

Meglos: 48:57

Full Circle: 57:35

State of Decay: 1:19:35

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