Our guest for today’s interview, Franca Baroni, shares how we can break out of that mold and bring our hearts into the work that we do. She talks about what HeartMath is and how coherence plays into an overall healthy well-being, which ultimately leads to a better impact in the industry. Yes, this might sound a little “spiritual”, but it’s all backed by over 300 scientific studies!
In the podcast, Franca also tells us how her career has shifted from being a full-time lawyer to being an actress, how HeartMath principles helped with her well-being, and her take on governance. 
It’s Not About Winning or LosingIt’s easy to accept the mindset that finding success in the law is all about winning or losing. After all, this industry stands on an adversarial system, where everyone’s so focused on the results. Many think that lawyers have to be tough all the time, like robots that just need to get the work done. But we’re humans, not machines. It’s not natural for us to be consistently insensitive to the world around us. As much as we lawyers may want to avoid the word “feelings”, our emotions are still a part of how we function and make decisions. Why else would there be so much conversation surrounding mental health and burnout among our peers? It’s because we’re not bringing our hearts to what we do and our continued acceptance of these practices hinder us from what we truly want. Franca emphasizes that no one has to go through this conundrum and shows us a path to a win-win situation where you don’t have to change what you for your clients, but only how you do it. As you change your ways, the outcomes become more fulfilling, creating satisfaction for yourself and those around you.
The Relationship Between Our Thoughts and Emotions with PhysiologyThe world’s accustomed way of thinking is undeniably outdated. These thought patterns have led us into a state of incoherence, which Franca describes as driving a car with one foot stepping on the gas pedal and the other on the breaks. This phenomenon results in an unfortunate wear and tear situation, which causes unnecessary stress. And because our nervous systems regulate 90% of our body functions, our physiology is significantly affected when we work with a harmful mindset. The manifestations of this would be all too relatable to us, like migraine, headaches, adrenal exhaustion, and many more! Franca also paints this idea of wear and tear through the analogy of drained batteries. We may feel that our energy runs out quickly throughout the day. Some of us could even claim being consistently exhausted from the time they wake up to the moment they go to bed! If that’s you, then you now know what’s going on. 
Being in a coherent state makes the driving experience a lot smoother. If only one foot steps on the gas and also steps on the brakes whenever needed, there’s noticeably less stress (mentally and physically), and you also get to your destination much faster. Not only will you be able to control how you drive yourself, but Franca says that you could also develop the ability to charge your batteries and even increase their capacity!
HeartMath and CoherenceIf you think that all of this sounds a little too far-fetched, don’t worry, there’s a science to the process called HeartMath. Research in this field has shown that the heart has its own energy center, which can be observed and measured. If you can link the heart and the brain, you get into the state of coherence, where stress is neutralized! In this state, you can radiate the same energy through the measurable electromagnetic field of the heart. 
Franca shares that before meetings, court proceedings, or any other problematic negotiations, she would always utilize various HeartMath techniques to prepare herself for potential frustrations. She’s even extended her energy through an entire courtroom and managed to positively shift the behavior of immigrant officers to make interviews less challenging! 
Don’t get us wrong here. Just because you’re putting HeartMath principles into practice doesn’t mean you’ll win all arguments in court. We’re only human, and we can still get stressed out no matter what “anti-stress measures” we employ. But what’s happening is that when we utilize our hearts, we can access solutions that are not available when we’re trapped in our own heads. It becomes a new resource for answers to questions that you once couldn’t figure out. To put it into simpler terms, a “connection” with a stranger makes for better conversations since both parties are “in the same wavelength”.

So if there’s such a dire need for a change, what exactly do we need to do? How do you put HeartMath into practice? What are the steps to start moving out of an incoherent state? Make sure to listen to the episode to learn more about the benefits of HeartMath and coherence. 

About Franca Baroni:Dr. Franca Baroni is an award-winning author, actress, intuitive trainer and practicing immigration attorney. She holds a Doctorate in public international law and Master of Laws and is admitted to practice in New York, Washington State and Switzerland.  For over 20 years, she has assisted individuals to maximize situational awareness for greater well-being. She has offered several CLE programs to inspire greater resilience and heart-intelligent lawyering & mediation.  As a certified HeartMath® resilience trainer, she shares valuable knowledge that has helped thousands of professionals in many sectors around the globe to effectively build resilience in the midst of crisis.  Her organization, The Public Heart™, fosters conscious leadership & citizenry and a deeper & simpler understanding of governance & law through art entertainment, training, mentoring and interactive speaking events.  She is a contributor in the 2017 ABA Publication “Lawyers as Changemakers”. Her one-woman show Act In The Public Heart: A Lawyer’s Journey (2017-present) is a call for a heart-centered collective realignment to activate societal change.

Outline of the Episode:[01:50] Franca Baroni’s escape from a full-time job in the law to an acting career in a one-woman show. Live a conscious heart instead of being a dead machine.[04:15] The significant edge that being a lawyer can bring in achieving your dreams and its potential limitations in bringing satisfaction. [07:23] Bringing your heart into whatever field of law you’re involved in, no matter how adversarial it is. It’s not only about winning or losing![11:59] What is coherence? How can it help us lawyers and the people we serve?
[16:51] What is HeartMath all about? It’s all science, not woo-woo spirituality![23:03] The influence we have on others is a scientific fact![25:06] Why shouldn’t we live life by stepping on both the gas and brake pedals at the same time?[32:31] The importance of finding our ability to govern ourselves. Your head is definitely needed in making decisions, but your heart is just as important.[40:04] Your life expands or contracts in relation to the amount of courage you have.

Resources:Franca Baroni’s WebsiteEmail: [email protected] 
Connect with Adam and Casey!Esquire Academy WebsiteCasey’s LinkedInCasey’s TwitterLeave Law Behind

Join Adam and Casey with their guest, Ritu Goswamy, as they talk about meditation, mindfulness, and productivity. Ritu shares her expertise in these topics to help you find clarity in your life’s mission. The three get into having a passion for work while having balance in life, properly embracing your identity as a lawyer, and why meditation might not have worked for you before. 
We know there’s a lot of people rolling their eyes when they hear about meditation and mindfulness. As lawyers, we’re expected to be skeptical, so that's only natural!. But that doubt also makes us look at those who claim that meditation turned their lives around for the better. Tune in to the podcast, and see that it’s not as “woo woo” as you might have thought! 
What You’ll LearnExtinguishing an Exhausting Fiery ConstitutionAccording to Ritu, lawyers tend to be very driven and passionate like a burning fire. We’re almost always trying to produce results left and right. Just because we can continue to push, we’ll go all out with everything we have. It’s not a bad thing to be an achiever, since we’ve got to where we are now because of all the hard work we’ve done. However, going literally “above and beyond” is not always the best thing for ourselves. Instead of going at 150% every time, dial back to 75% and find that balance you've always been looking for. 
Once you start this practice of toning things down, you might think that you’re not doing enough for the day. However, that’s EXACTLY the issue that we’re trying to deal with here. You’re not supposed to feel exhausted every single day. But how do you pull back? Well, one of the reasons you’re doing this is so that you could define the things that you want to do. So, if you look at your workload, figure out which ones you love doing and stick with those. Adam mentions you could keep your A and B clients while “firing” the rest! Another solution you could utilize is delegation. Sometimes we may be hesitant to let others do our job because of our overachieving nature, but what we don’t realize is that there are other people much better (and more efficient) than us on some of the tasks we do each day.
Once you’re able to create a good system for yourself, you’ll find more time to love yourself, clarity with what you want to do, and opportunities to act on your newly-discovered (or reawakened) passions. Not only that, but you might also find yourself earning much more than you are now!
Setting Expectations with Meditation and MindfulnessNow that we’ve established the value of slowing things down, it’s time to talk about taking care of the mind. Because we’ve overworked our minds to point of exhaustion almost every day in the span of our career, it’s essential to let it rest now. This is where meditation or mindfulness comes into the scene. Without getting too technical about it, mindfulness is simply giving yourself time to be in the moment. There are a plethora of ways to go about it, but one example mentioned in the show is staying still for at least five minutes and getting your mind out of the hamster wheel of “more”, “fast”, and “next”. This state of mind allows you to be clear, giving yourself some room to breathe. If you have special space for yourself, you can proceed with whatever you have next with more intention.
While all of this sounds good, many people still give up. Why? It’s because mindfulness is a lifestyle that one has to develop. A few sessions of meditation can’t just immediately bring alignment into our lives. Success with this practice is a matter of starting somewhere and putting in the effort. Some people can do it by themselves, but others may do better a little guidance. Listen to the full episode, learn more, and get the opportunity to avail of Ritu’s book for free!

About Ritu Goswamy:Ritu Goswamy, Esq., is a lawyer and productivity strategist for lawyers. She is the best-selling author of The New Billable Hour: Bill More Hours, Be More Productive, and Still Have Work Life Balance and The Holistic Lawyer: Use Your Whole Brain to Work Smarter Not Harder. Ritu is the creator of the New Billable Hour ® system, which helps lawyers increase their productivity by billing themselves first. She teaches this system directly to lawyers in a way that is engaging, fun, and practical. Ritu hosts "The New Billable Hour Podcast" available where you like to listen and on YouTube. She consults with lawyers individually and in groups and is an active speaker and trainer in the areas of lawyer productivity, competence, and mindfulness. For a free copy of her first book and other resources, visit: www.ritugoswamy.com.
Show NotesOutline of the Episode:

• [01:19] The problem with the overworking and overachieving culture among most lawyers. Self-care is still possible even with the limited time we have!
• [05:03] The legal profession is imbalanced by design, but the biggest stress is the pressure we put on ourselves.
• [09:02] Pulling back the fiery constitution that exhausts your energy. 
• [13:41] Take time to live in the moment and tone down on looking at the next task on the to-do list.
• [15:47] We can’t do all of the things we’re told to do! Settle down and decide on which ones are important for you.
• [18:28] The value and difficulty of delegation as a lawyer.
• [21:16] Why would we be fixated on the “Esq” at the end of our names?
• [24:01] Why didn’t meditation work for you the first time? Discomfort is normal when we’re trying to transform ourselves!
• [26:51] Improvement doesn’t happen at a moment’s notice.
• [29:40] The consciousness of the heart and why we should trust in our “gut” feeling.
• [30:17] The New Billable Hour, what’s in it for you? How are ALL of the lives of Ritu’s clients changed by the steps in this book?
• [34:51] Once you start being more aligned to your mission, find out how you can be The Holistic Lawyer!
• [37:00] The essence of learning more about leading yourself before leading others.

Resources:

• Ritu Goswamy’s Website
• Ritu Goswamy’s LinkedIn
• Email: [email protected] 
• Power vs Force Book Link- https://amzn.to/3hECzcW
• Getting Things Done Book Link- https://amzn.to/3rRhSzk
• The Presence Process Book Link- https://amzn.to/3pKbXKs
• The Power of Now Book Link- https://amzn.to/3hEZMf2

Connect with Adam and Casey!

• Adam’s LinkedIn
• Esquire Academy Website
• Casey’s LinkedIn
• Leave Law Behind Website 

Join Adam and Casey with their guest, Elena Deutsch, as they talk about her experience with women lawyers leaving the law, taking baby steps towards your calling, and the steps to remove the roadblocks that stop you from starting to make a change. Elena is the founder of WILL: Women Interested in Leaving (big) Law, which specializes in helping women find clarity and take action on their dreams. She shares her story on how she found her purpose, explains why any lawyer can choose to leave the industry, and shifts the common perspective that people in the law have when going for a non-law career. Stay tuned, and enjoy!
What You’ll LearnMicro Relief To a Macro ResultMany of us might get consumed dreaming about our end goals that we forget to take action in the present. At the moment, the journey is more important than the destination! If you're constantly musing on the idea of finally being able to break free from the law, the pesky emails, and the harrowing stress from your current lifestyle, what are you doing about it? Your aspirations may seem so far from reality at the moment, but each step in the right direction, even baby steps, will add up to bring you where you need to be in the future.
Where do you start? Curiosity. Instead of sinking in the ideas that you'll never be able to get out of your mortgage, escape from the kids, or put food on the table, Elena says that we have to break ourselves out from this thought pattern. Instead, ask yourself, "What if I took that class or webinar?" "Why don’t I scour the internet to find the right information?" "Where can I locate people that can help me get to the next step?" Once you understand the concept of Elena's "micro relief", you'll see that each step towards your ideal self is right in front of you!
Mend Your Mindset Using the TFAR MethodIn the podcast, Elena gives a tool based on the cognitive-behavioral theory that gives an outline you can follow to realign your problematic beliefs. 

1. Thoughts. These are ideas in our heads are the foundation of everything. 
2. Feelings. Those thoughts bring out a sensation from us. 
3. Action. Our feelings lead to a response. We take a step, or, decide not to move forward. 
4. Results. The actions we take (or lack thereof) lead to an outcome.

For example, if we think that we can't maintain our family's lifestyle without the wealth in the law, we'd feel stuck. Because of this anxiety, we may incline not to do anything and let things continue as they are. Obviously, the situation remains the same, yielding no results.
However, if we change the initial thought into "we're smart and wise people", we'd feel confident about ourselves. This innate courage then pushes us to find a solution to solve our present problems. Going back to the idea of baby steps, even the tiniest of actions can produce results for us bit by bit. It all starts from having the right thoughts. Make sure to listen to the full episode to take advantage and learn more about this method!
About Elena Deutsch:Elena Deutsch, MPH is founder and CEO of WILL – Women Interested in Leaving (big) Law.  She is committed to helping women lawyers who struggle to leave big law take action towards a career and life they love.   
Prior to this, she was a partner in Wildfire Strategies, a consulting and coaching firm that ignites leadership in executives and teams.  Before Wildfire, she held leadership roles at the American Cancer Society and CAI Global.
Elena has coached senior leaders and teams in a range of industries, including: law firms, health care, and the arts. She supported executives and teams to lead with greater ease, confidence and impact.
Elena completed her coach training at New York University, and her Master’s in Public Health from the University of North Carolina – Chapel Hill.  Elena is also a certified MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) practitioner.
Currently, she lives with her family in upper Manhattan.
Show NotesOutline of the Episode:

• [01:21] Why would Elena work with women lawyers when she isn't one in the first place?
• [05:03] The Call in Cape Cod – Elena's discovery of a newfound purpose in life.
• [07:20] Experiencing an "emotional high" when realizing what you want to do.
• [10:34] "If you're as hardworking, smart, and capable to go to law school and work in a big firm… then you can do anything." Give yourself permission to start!
• [11:48] No matter how big the golden handcuffs are, you can still listen to the whispers calling you to take that first step!
• [13:25] The value of taking baby steps toward your big dreams. If you want to be out of the law someday, then you have to start somewhere.
• [17:22] The main challenges that Elena's observed among her members.
• [19:13] Thoughts, Feelings, Actions, and Results. Elena discusses the steps for you to formulate a solution for your issues in leaving the law.
• [21:27] There's an infinite number of jobs out there that call for your skills. You can get paid just for being nice and charming!
• [24:42] Asking for help is not a sign of weakness. If all the successful people at the top have coaches, then why shouldn't you?
• [27:21] Being a lawyer and your emotions have an impact on the relationships you have.
• [30:24] The potential effects of leaving the law on your family and the next generation.
• [33:22] The need to get out of the mindset that we’re stuck in the law.
• [36:43] Breaking free from the limiting beliefs around identity and stature. You can still have the identity of being a lawyer while in a non-law pursuit!

Resources:

• Elena Deutsch’s LinkedIn
• Elena Deutsch’s Twitter
• WILL Website
• Kaizen
• Gallup Clifton Strengths Assessment

Connect with Adam and Casey!

• Adam’s LinkedIn
• Esquire Academy Website
• Casey’s LinkedIn
• Casey’s Twitter
• Leave Law Behind

In this episode, you will learn:

Love or Leave the Law is honored to have Mark Weber join us! Mark has more than 20 years of experience counseling and advising students and attorneys about their careers, and he shared a wealth of knowledge in this episode.

 Since 2000, Mark has served as the Assistant Dean for Career Services at Harvard Law School. He held that role at his alma mater, the University of Illinois College of Law.

 Before counseling students, Mark practiced law at a mid-sized firm in Chicago where he focused on tax, corporate and bankruptcy matters and worked in the tax department of a Big Four public accounting firm. Mark is also a CPA and received his B.S. in Accountancy from the University of Illinois. 

In our talk, we discuss

-       The trends in the legal industry, as well as the job market from a Harvard viewpoint

-       Tips, tricks, and ideas for students and graduates to help find out what they are good at, and how to find jobs that align with these skills

-       Great tips on how to actually “enjoy” the practice of law

-       Mark Weber’s experience moving from a law firm to career guidance “Sherpa”

-       And why asking yourself "How do I feel?” on Sunday night tells a lot about what you should do with your life.

 

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Casey Berman founder –  Leave Law Behind

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Adam J. Ouellette, Esquire

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www.idealclientformula.com

www.esquiremastermind.com

www.whythelawsucks.com

www.RaisingTheBarBook.com

In this episode, you will learn:

We are very excited to have Dan Lear on today’s show!

Dan is a lawyer, blogger and currently the Director of Industry Relations for Avvo, where he frequently speaks to lawyers and bar associations.

As a technology-focused business lawyer, Dan advised companies from startups to the Fortune 100, helping to develop agreements and terms for early cloud services offerings well before "the cloud” was an everyday norm.

Dan has been mentioned, featured, or published in The ABA Journal, Law Practice Today, Law Technology News, NWLawyer, Above the Law and other legal industry press.

In 2015 he was named to the FastCase 50 – a group of entrepreneurs, innovators, and trailblazers in the legal profession – and in 2014 Dan was honored with the Washington State Bar Association President's Award for his participation in and and advocacy of legal technology projects locally and nationally.  Find him on Twitter at @rightbrainlaw.

In today’s show, we talk with Dan about

-       Trends on the legal market and legal tech in particular

-       How we attorneys can build a brand, and grow people's awareness about us

-       How to determine our respective “ideal clients”

-       Which legal technologies out there are best for us to use in optimizing our legal practices

-       And advice, tips, and tricks for us to use in being happy as an attorney

 

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Casey Berman founder –  Leave Law Behind

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Adam J. Ouellette, Esquire

www.esquireacademy.com

www.idealclientformula.com

www.esquiremastermind.com

www.whythelawsucks.com

www.RaisingTheBarBook.com

In this episode, you will learn: Love or Leave the Law is on the second part of the interview with the best selling author Amy Impellizzeri. After spending thirteen years as a BigLaw corporate litigator in New York City, Amy left to raise her family and write novels. Her first novel, "Lemongrass Hope," debuted in October 2014, as an Amazon best-seller (Romance/Fantasy and Romance/Time Travel) Her second novel, "Secrets of Worry Dolls," was released in December 2016 and her next novel, "The Truth About Thea," will be released in October 2017.Casey and Amy focused on her non-fiction book published by the American Bar Association called "Lawyer Interrupted" - a how-to guide for leaving the practice of law which Amy says “something about half of all lawyers want to do”.The talk focuses on why law schools won’t help you get a non-law job, but your local bar agency might. Amy talks about what women specifically should keep in mind as they transition out of the law, and provides inspirational examples of people who have left the law to builds businesses that incorporate their gifts. She also gives some good advice on how to begin writing and get that novel we all have in us onto paper! Enjoy! Get this podcast delivered directly to your inbox  or for more information visit us at: www.loveorleavepodcast.comDid you get some value from this content?  Then let you friends know and leave us a review on Itunes! Contact Info and questions:[email protected] Casey Berman founder –  Leave Law Behindwww.leavelawbehind.com Adam J. Ouellette, Esquirewww.esquireacademy.comwww.idealclientformula.comwww.RaisingTheBarBook.com





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In this episode, you will learn:

Love or Leave the Law welcomes best selling author Amy Impellizzeri. After spending thirteen years as a BigLaw corporate litigator in New York City, Amy left to raise her family and write novels.

Her first novel, "Lemongrass Hope," debuted in October 2014, as an Amazon best-seller (Romance/Fantasy and Romance/Time Travel) Her second novel, "Secrets of Worry Dolls," was released in December 2016 and her next novel, "The Truth About Thea," will be released in October 2017.

Casey and Amy focused on her non-fiction book published by the American Bar Association called "Lawyer Interrupted" - a how-to guide for leaving the practice of law which Amy says “something about half of all lawyers want to do”.

The talk focuses on why law schools won’t help you get a non-law job, but your local bar agency might. Amy talks about what women specifically should keep in mind as they transition out of the law, and provides inspirational examples of people who have left the law to builds businesses that incorporate their gifts.

 She also gives some good advice on how to begin writing and get that novel we all have in us onto paper! Enjoy!

 

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Casey Berman founder –  Leave Law Behind

www.leavelawbehind.com

 

Adam J. Ouellette, Esquire

www.esquireacademy.com

www.idealclientformula.com

www.esquiremastermind.com

www.whythelawsucks.com

www.RaisingTheBarBook.com

In this episode, you will learn:

Can you own a successful law firm and travel around the world for months on end every year?  This lawyer in does.  Listen to find out more about how he makes this happen! Interview with Greg McLawson

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Casey Berman founder –  Leave Law Behind

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Adam J. Ouellette, Esquire

www.esquireacademy.com

www.idealclientformula.com

www.esquiremastermind.com

www.whythelawsucks.com

www.RaisingTheBarBook.com

 

In this episode, you will learn:

Why does life have to be so difficult for most of us?  It all has to do with our belief systems!  In today’s episode we will discuss some of the “Global” belief systems that cause us all trouble, and how we can begin to let go of the limitations we have.  Once you begin to let go of the limited belief systems in your life, you can start to open up to the beliefs you want in your world.  

 

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Casey Berman founder –  Leave Law Behind

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Adam J. Ouellette, Esquire

www.esquireacademy.com

www.idealclientformula.com

www.esquiremastermind.com

www.whythelawsucks.com

www.RaisingTheBarBook.com

In this episode, you will learn:

In this sixth episode of how to reconnect and “refresh” an unhappy attorney’s connection with his or her practice, Adam and Casey talk life balance. This is not a new topic for many of is, and many of us find ourselves failing to find such a balance … and in turn feeling overwhelmed and overworked. Casey and Adam discuss the one question we can ask ourselves to unpack this important concept: What is most important to us in life?

 

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www.leavelawbehind.com

 

Adam J. Ouellette, Esquire

www.esquireacademy.com

www.idealclientformula.com

www.esquiremastermind.com

www.whythelawsucks.com

www.RaisingTheBarBook.com