In this episode, Jess shares her experience of attending the show Clementine Ford & Libby O'Donavon Love Sermon and Helen talks about what got her thinking with the geisha culture with Beasts of a Little Land, Juhea Kim

Jess also shared two amazing books Translating Myself and Other, Jhmupa Lahiri and Babal, RF Kuang 

In the second part, Helen and Jess delve into a conversation about Australian Drama: The Twelve on issues surrounding race, social impact, and how jury members' life intersects with the trial.

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