In this episode of Fierce Compassion, we welcome Christine Saxman. Christine is a racial equity facilitator, coach, and co-author of Being White Today: A Road Map for a Positive Anti-Racist Life. Christine shares her journey from classroom teacher to a full-time anti-racism educator. We explore the role of self-compassion in navigating mistakes, the power of loving accountability, and the challenges of working with white people at different stages of racial awareness. Christine offers insights on embracing both/and thinking, breaking down white defensiveness, and fostering transformation without reinforcing shame. Join us for a nuanced, deeply reflective conversation on what it means to engage in anti-racism with courage and care.

Episode Transcript

Christine Saxman is the co-author of Being White Today: A Roadmap for a Positive Antiracist Life with Shelly Tochluk and the Western State Center’s Toolkit “Confronting Conspiracy Theories and Organized Bigotry at Home: A Guide for Parents and Caregivers” with Shelly Tochluk and Joanna Schroeder. Her racial justice work has been featured on NPR’s Life Kit and other shows.

A seasoned racial equity facilitator, coach, and consultant with twenty years of experience, she guides White people to transform into healthy antiracist change agents. She also co-facilitates interracially to help organizations to build cross-racial equity transformation into leadership. She can be found at christinesaxman.com.

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Episode Mentions:

bell hooks

Shelly Tochluk

Being White Today: A Roadmap for a Positive Antiracist Life

White Privilege Conference

SEED

SURJ

White Rage by Carol Anderson

Ismalis Nunez

NPR’s Life Kit

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