Mac McDonald of Vision Cellars is not what you would expect from someone making some of California's best Pinot Noir.

He is African-American in an industry where diversity is in the terroir and almost never among the winemakers. Mac speaks with a southern drawl, wears a farmer's hat, and sports blue jean overalls in a world of California's "Wine Country Casual."

He is a boutique craftsman who makes his wine in the corporate beast that is Wagner Family Wines.

This is my full interview from 2013, recorded at Walt Churchill’s Market in Maumee, Ohio.

In the interest of supporting diverse voices in the wine business, I’ve assembled the entire interview here.