With neurodiversity talked about so much more today in the media than ever before, many employees are diagnosing, not only themselves, but their family members too. This, coupled with the long NHS waiting lists for formal diagnoses, means employees are increasingly looking to employers to bridge the gap. But what should they do? And is it reasonable to cover employees' family members too?

This is what happened at BNP Parisbas and, in this episode, Health & Wellbeing Lead Lauren Lunniss explains what a 'wake up' call it was to discover so much demand - and how she systematically dealt with it. Lunniss is a self confessed lover of numbers and spreadsheets and, in this episode, shares some golden nuggets on this front on the link between uptake of services and productivity.

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Time line of conversation:

00:00 Introduction to the Leaders Podcast

00:35 This Week's Challenge: Addressing Neurodiversity

01:19 Expert Insight: Lauren Lni's Experience

01:28 The Growing Awareness of Neurodiversity

01:48 Developing an Inclusive Program

04:11 Survey Insights and Initial Steps

07:18 Collaborating with Healthcare Providers

08:55 Creating a Comprehensive Support Pathway

09:47 The Importance of Follow-Up Care

13:58 Measuring Impact and Success

18:36 Building a Supportive Community

23:43 Final Thoughts and Future Plans

25:29 The Alien Question: Making the Case for Wellbeing

27:34 Conclusion and Call to Action

Today is a very special episode because, for the first time, we have two brilliant guests answering this question not just one - both of them specialise in the legal industry, which is a hot bed for this scenario where managers are under pressure to perform and so, at times, deprioritise people and, even, can lack humanity as well as endangering their own wellbeing.

One is Sam Jardine, Partner at Fieldfisher LLP and LawCare Chamption, and the other is Elizabeth Rimmer, CEO of LawCare, which promotes and supports good mental health in the legal industry across the UK and has just launched its latest report, Life in Law 2025.

This is a fascinating wide ranging conversation, with loads of practical ideas and tips, as well as a bit of philosophy, AI predictions and even poetry. Check out the conversation breakdown below to see just how much ground is covered!

00:00 Introduction to the Leaders Podcast

00:35 This Week's Challenge: Prioritizing People in High-Pressure Environments

01:29 Expert Insights: Sam Jardine and Elizabeth Rimmer

02:10 The Legal Industry's Pressure Cooker Environment

05:31 The Impact of Empathy and Humanity in Management

07:43 Positive Management Stories and Their Impact

08:34 Valuing People Management in the Legal Sector

09.35 Results of the recent LawCare study

12.04 How could line managers be encouraged to focus on better people management

17.25 The challenge hybrid working brings

20:35 The Role of Self-Awareness in Effective Management

26:27 The Importance of Human Skills in the Age of AI

29.00 Measuring Kindness

30.00 The Alien Question, and wrap up

Have you ever found yourself drawn into that trendy narrative that young people today are SO flaky, needy, impatient, demanding, challenging, obsessed with their mental health and not dedicated enough to their work? Or maybe the line managers you work with have said this to you?

Well, this is definitely the episode for you as our guest Alex Smith, Global Lead for Lifestyle, Leisure, and Wellbeing at Unidays, shares his unique and at-the-coalface insight into the mindset of young people today. You will have 'aha' moments and relate to younger generations differently in future.

Alex delves into the importance of self-awareness and understanding the different life experiences that shape team members' perspectives. He highlights practical strategies for fostering a supportive and inclusive environment.

The discussion touches on the evolving nature of the job market influenced by AI and the importance of creating opportunities for diverse talents. The episode closes with the usual ‘alien question'!

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Timeline of conversation:00:00 Introduction to the Leaders Podcast

00:35 This Week's Challenge: Managing a Multi-Generational Team

01:35 Guest Introduction: Alex Smith

01:48 Alex's Experience with Multi-Generational Teams

02:34 Understanding Generational Differences

03:43 Strategies for Effective Management

08:06 The Role of Empathy and Self-Awareness

09:32 The Impact of AI on Graduate Jobs

15:11 Addressing Mental Health in the Workplace

18:51 Final Thoughts and Takeaways

21:25 The Alien Question

22:22 Conclusion and Farewell

Getting the best out of tech suppliers when you are juggling both legacy suppliers you've been with for ages, and the newer, agile tech start ups entering wellbeing, is no easy task.

Karen Sancto, Microsoft's EMEA Benefits Consultant brings the benefit of her expertise here to this podcast, exploring this intricate process.

She gives us practical, instantly useable advice and, in an increasingly automated world, underlines the importance of human relationships.

Listen to the end to ensure you hear all of her strategies, and her answer to the 'alien question'!

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Time line of conversation:

00:00 Introduction to the Leaders Podcast

00:35 This Week's Challenge: Legacy vs. Agile Tech Companies

01:24 Expert Insights: Karen Santo from Microsoft

01:43 Navigating Supplier Relationships

02:41 The Role of Technology and Data Privacy

03:54 Building Effective Partnerships

06:48 Cultural Considerations in Supplier Management

13:16 Measuring and Scaling Supplier Management

17:20 The Human Element in Supplier Relationships

17:59 Fun and Creativity in Benefits Management

19:15 Final Thoughts and Alien Scenario

21:22 Conclusion and Call to Action

Matt Wilson, the UK Wellbeing Lead for Computacenter, talks candidly about the crisis of confidence he overcame working in the wellbeing industry. Not only because he felt, at times, insecure because he didn’t come from a traditional HR background, but also because he suffered a severe stammer. 

He talks with refreshing honesty about his experiences and gives practical advice to anyone else experiencing any kind of confidence issues that are affecting work.

While his tips are applicable to everyone, his insight is particularly relevant to men who find it hard to talk about emotions or their struggles. He tells his story of how, after taking action, he ends up with more self-awareness and confidence, as well as a commitment to being authentic at work.

The conversation also touches on the significance of demonstrating the ROI of wellbeing initiatives (and how this can boost your confidence), the importance of good communication strategies and the need for formal training in the field. 

00:00 Introduction to the Leaders Podcast

00:35 This Week's Challenge: Navigating Wellbeing Without an HR Background

01:54 Guest Introduction: Matt Wilson, UK Wellbeing Lead

02:03 Matt's Journey: Overcoming a Stammer and Building Confidence

04:02 The Importance of Authenticity in Wellbeing Roles

04:53 Men and Therapy: Breaking the Stigma

09:41 Proving the ROI of Wellbeing Initiatives

12:05 The Role of Commercial Skills in Wellbeing

14:25 The Need for Formal Training in Wellbeing

16:42 Final Advice for Wellbeing Professionals

18:09 The Alien Question: Making the Case for Wellbeing Investment

20:03 Conclusion and Call to Action

Balancing high performance with health and sustainability is a huge topic in workplaces currently, especially when the economy is under such pressure. 

Dr Monika Misra, who is Group Head of Employee Health and Wellbeing at Mars knows this conundrum very well - so well, she’s even (co) written a book on it! It’s called ‘Healthy High Performance: unlocking business success through employee wellbeing’, with Sir Cary Cooper. 

In this podcast, packed with practical and strategic tips, she talks us through step by step how she got a 30% uplift in employees’ energy levels and unlocked high performance under pressure.

And if you are listening when this podcast comes out - then you have two days to get yourself to hear her talk at the MAD World Leaders Summit in London on 9th October where she is doing a keynote on Healthy High Performance in an age of uncertainty. Go to madworldsummit.com for more info.

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Timeline of conversation:

00:44 Meet Dr. Monica Misra: Expert in Health and Wellbeing

01:28 Understanding Employee Burnout

03:45 Building the Business Case for Wellbeing

06:36 Implementing Evidence-Based Solutions

14:13 Measuring Impact and Sustaining Change

17:43 Final Thoughts and Key Takeaways

21:07 The Alien Question and Closing Remarks

It's great when employees are passionate and enthusiastic about spreading the Health and Wellbeing message. But - what do you do if they're not quite the right people you want driving the agenda?

What if you need more influential people, especially those not working in Wellbeing or those who are personally invested to drive it?

Today's brilliant guest Dr Sabrina Robinson, Chartered Psychologist and Wellbeing Lead at Essex County Council talks us through this exact problem today and reveals some cunning tricks of the psychological trade to help us on our way.

And, of course, she answers the alien question in a truly novel way!

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Time line of conversation:

00:00 Introduction to the Leaders Podcast

00:45 Meet Dr. Sabrina Robinson

02:08 The Challenge: Ensuring Consistency in Wellbeing

03:08 Renewing the Governance Strategy

04:20 Leadership Buy-In and Accountability

05:49 Engaging the Right People

14:30 Formalising the Governance Strategy

17:32 Achieving Consistency and Employee Experience

19:07 Final Thoughts and Advice

21:33 The Alien Question

22:48 Conclusion and Farewell

We know the theory: difference leads to innovation and, ultimately, profitability. But, in practice, working in multigenerational teams can be really challenging and lead to a lot of tension.

Patrick Dunne OBE has seen this situation numerous times in his vast experience of business and boards - he's also just co-written a book called 'Five generations at work; how we win together for good'.

This conversation covers everything from a maximising mindset, empathic leadership, dealing with conflict, 'microwaved' relationships and even dad dancing. It's peppered with practical tips and real-life solutions he's seen work.

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Time line of conversation:

00:00 Introduction to the Leaders Podcast

00:44 Meet Patrick Dunne, OBE

02:25 The Multi-Generational Team Challenge

03:42 Understanding and Communication Across Generations

05:46 Practical Tips for Managing Multi-Generational Teams

11:54 Conflict Management Techniques

20:18 The Importance of Trust in Teams

23:03 The Alien Question and Conclusion

We've chosen Dr Lia Ali, neuropsychiatrist and digital health innovation strategist for the NHS, as a launch interviewee because of her immense knowledge of being able to pinpoint what actually works - and what WILL work - based on the evidence.

She's faced this question numerous times, and talks us through how she tackled it - and her favourite model - the biopsychosocial one.

You'll leave this podcast inspired, and so if you want to hear more of Lia - she's doing a key note at the MAD World Summit on 9th October in London.

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And, if you have a burning issue you'd like discussed, or any feedback at all, email [email protected]

A quick summary of the conversation:

00:00 Introduction to the Leaders Podcast

00:44 Meet Dr. Leah Ali: Digital Health Innovation Strategist

01:41 The Bio-Psychosocial Model for Better Health Outcomes

04:39 Case Study: Occupational Health in Australia

06:42 The Importance of Preventative Interventions

09:41 Embedding Health Strategies Across Organizations

12:21 Inclusive Design and Health Inequalities

15:24 Concluding Thoughts and Future Conversations

19:36 Outro and Call to Action

Stella Gavinho is Group Head of Wellbeing at Entain and we chose her as one of the launch interviewees for her honesty and warmth, as well as the energy and resilience she applies to problem solving.

She talks us through dealing with a significant drop in employee engagement in employee health and wellbeing, with lots of practical and strategic insight.

If you like this episode, please like and subscribe and - even better - share it with someone to keep the workplace wellbeing conversation going!

And, if you have a burning issue you'd like discussed, or any feedback at all, email [email protected]

To find out more about the MAD World Leaders Summit agenda on 9th October, in London, and to register, ⁠⁠click here⁠⁠.

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Key timings in the conversation:

00:00 Introduction to the Leaders Podcast

00:44 Meet Stella Gino: A Warm and Honest Wellbeing Leader

01:38 Setting the Scene: The Wellbeing Challenge

03:03 Facing the Wellbeing Crisis: Stella's Experience

04:42 Strategic Response: Data-Driven Solutions

08:57 Implementing Manager Training Programs

13:15 Results and Reflections: Positive Outcomes

19:12 Advice for Leaders: Embracing Wellbeing Initiatives

23:43 Conclusion and Final Thoughts