From Magic addiction to Margins updates - Sean finally talked to a customer! Andrew tried Claude Code and wasn't impressed, then gets into product ideas around workflows and flexible tables for MetaMonster. Surprise twist: the guys accidentally design a $699 productized service for MetaMonster and close the deal live on the call. Also: type 2 fun, hiking debates, and why slabbing a kid isn't what it sounds like.

Links:

• Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskins
• Andrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/
• MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/
• Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsun
• Miscreants: http://miscreants.com/
• Margins: http://margins.so/
• Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/

For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/.

Transcript:
00:00:00.82
Sean
What's up?

00:00:02.45
Andrew
Not much. Just hanging out. What's up with you?

00:00:05.69
Sean
Cool. I have blown so much money this week. and Last week.

00:00:12.87
Andrew
Oh yeah?

00:00:13.75
Sean
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:00:15.24
Andrew
On something fun, I hope?

00:00:16.73
Sean
actually Magic the Gathering. Magic the Gathering.

00:00:22.28
Andrew
is Are you like building a deck to play? Is this investing? Are you like trying to buy collectibles?

00:00:29.29
Sean
anyone anyone that tells you they're investing in Magic the Gathering is lying to you and themselves.

00:00:29.64
Andrew
What's the...

00:00:33.17
Sean
No one no one invested this in cardboard. No one invested in Magic the Gathering. let me I'm sure baseball cards are are profitable in whatever way. and Yeah, I'm bill building a deck to play and also just like spending money opening packs. and i got really into it in high school.

00:00:54.33
Sean
and I think I was like fairly okay at it. And this is my like latest like obsession, indulgence, addiction, all that stuff.

00:01:05.22
Andrew
For whatever reason, I never got into magic.

00:01:05.37
Sean
Yeah.

00:01:06.86
Andrew
I was super into Pokemon, and like I was you know collected Pokemon cards like crazy back in the day, but I never...

00:01:13.89
Sean
Pokemon is huge now, by the way.

00:01:15.58
Andrew
Yeah, I know.

00:01:16.30
Sean
Yeah.

00:01:16.41
Andrew
I i like have a couple of creators I follow on YouTube, and it is really addicting watching people open packs. and then

00:01:25.44
Sean
It really is.

00:01:25.71
Andrew
I also follow, you know Coop's Collections?

00:01:28.70
Sean
No. No.

00:01:30.08
Andrew
His whole MO is just that he's like really stupid, nice to people, like mostly little kids.

00:01:34.08
Sean
Okay.

00:01:35.28
Andrew
And so like little kids, he pretty openly says he doesn't make that much money selling.

00:01:35.34
Sean
Okay.

00:01:42.13
Andrew
He makes most of his money from content. And so like little kids will come up to him at shows and he'll just give away cards and stuff.

00:01:44.60
Sean
Right. and Nice.

00:01:50.93
Andrew
There's a, he live streams himself at shows.

00:01:53.19
Sean
Uh-huh.

00:01:54.49
Andrew
And so people will just like watch him interact.

00:01:57.25
Sean
I see, I see.

00:01:57.79
Andrew
And there's, there's someone in his community who goes by the name Sweaty Booger. That's their username. And like Sweaty Booger is famous on Goof's collections because he will often like,

00:02:05.26
Sean
Okay.

00:02:12.57
Andrew
donate money so that Coop can slab a kid. There's, it's, it's pretty slab a kid, which means give them a, give them a graded card in a slab.

00:02:17.17
Sean
Wait, so he can what a kid? Slab a kid.

00:02:21.67
Sean
Slab a kid. bla

00:02:25.70
Andrew
yeah

00:02:25.91
Sean
Slab a kid. Okay. Okay.

00:02:27.67
Andrew
Slab a kid.

00:02:29.37
Sean
That's, uh,

00:02:30.04
Andrew
There's like all this funny, like, yeah, I feel like even more than some of the other YouTube shows I watch. it has very quickly, because I think he's only been doing it for a year or two, it has very quickly developed lore and, sort you know, it's its own terminology and everything.

00:02:47.77
Sean
Sure.

00:02:52.03
Andrew
It's funny.

00:02:53.33
Sean
Cool. Slab a kid. Okay. That is not what I thought you said. It's like sweaty boogers fucked up, man. It's almost as bad as as that Twitch streamer shocking his dog.

00:03:08.04
Sean
Okay.

00:03:05.09
Andrew
Oh, fuck. I don't want to know about that. Don't don't tell me. i I would rather not.

00:03:08.96
Sean
Okay. All right.

00:03:10.83
Andrew
Fuck that person is all i all I have to say.

00:03:14.57
Andrew
I don't even know, but I don't need to know.

00:03:17.61
Sean
okay yeah this is this is whoever's listening this is just a this is just an internet culture magic the gathering podcast now

00:03:26.06
Andrew
Oh, dude. If you want to just go deep on, like, our latest YouTube obsessions, I can i can do that any day. I've been getting really into, like,

00:03:33.32
Sean
oh my latest youtube what is that what is

00:03:35.26
Andrew
the Caleb Heron world lately. He's a comedian based out of l a who's like, he is super progressive, but is from Kansas City and like grew up evangelical. And so I think he does a good job of making fun of like progressives and like the right and Caleb Heron I think is how you pronounce it h-e-a-r-o-n

00:04:04.03
Sean
how do you How do you spell it? cure

00:04:11.85
Sean
oh Oh, okay. I know who this is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this is cool.

00:04:15.08
Andrew
yeah bigger dude who's like

00:04:16.02
Sean
I've never heard his name read out loud. Yeah.

00:04:19.43
Andrew
Yeah, it's, I never know if I'm saying it right, but I've been listening to his podcast a bunch and watching clips.

00:04:26.24
Sean
Nice.

00:04:28.77
Sean
Cool. Sweet.

00:04:29.88
Andrew
Yeah.

00:04:30.73
Sean
Yeah, i so I think I've seen some of his clothes. It's pretty funny. He also does stand up, right?

00:04:35.11
Andrew
Yeah, I think he does stand-up. I think he's working on a movie. Was writing for...

00:04:39.09
Sean
Nice.

00:04:40.51
Andrew
He wrote for some TV show i I had watched. A pretty big one, I think. I can't remember what it was. Yeah. He seems like...

00:04:49.32
Sean
Cool.

00:04:51.90
Andrew
It's interesting. I feel like the more I get into like the dropout world and and then some of these... creators.

00:05:02.40
Andrew
Oh, he also blew up the other day because, uh, Rolling Stones ranked him higher on most influential creators than Mr. Beast and Mr.

00:05:09.91
Sean
I saw that.

00:05:09.95
Andrew
Beast got like butthurt about it.

00:05:12.02
Sean
I saw that.

00:05:12.29
Andrew
and it was really funny.

00:05:13.09
Sean
Yeah. Yeah.

00:05:15.56
Andrew
So he's he's definitely not small. H...