Is magic and witchcraft for fairy tales? Can magic, witchcraft, and rituals be a way to connect with our bodies and tap into our intuition? Can tarot be used to help us get clarity on the choices we have and the decision we have to make?

Effy and Jacqueline hang out with Pleasure Witch Haylin Belay to talk about how magic and tarot can provide a framework for us to get in touch with what we know intuitively.

To find more about Haylin Belay, go to his website www.haylin.co or follow her on Instagram @haylin.co.

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