Main Street AI Interviews

Amy Winner and her co-founder Elise started Wheels Up Collective in 2020, which Amy calls their COVID baby. Both had spent years in the startup world, and both had run into the same wall when looking for marketing help. The options were the large agencies, expensive and slow, or a patchwork of contractors and small shops that couldn’t operate at the level required. Nobody understood what it feels like to have a board expecting numbers, a funding round approaching, and a sales team in hypergrowth.

So they built the agency they couldn’t hire. Everyone at Wheels Up is senior. No junior staff learning on a client’s budget, a model Amy describes as a team of ringers. It costs more, and her argument is that it often costs less in the end because version one lands close to the target and the work moves faster. Every client gets discussed in the weekly meeting regardless of who runs the account, so the full bench is thinking about the strategy.

The conversation gets practical fast when we reach AI. Amy has written that tool-first AI strategies almost always fail, and she’s specific about what she watched happen. CEOs came in last year wanting to cut marketing spend in half and replace it with tools, driven by the promise that go-to-market agents were about to solve everything. Her position isn’t that the cutting is wrong. It’s that cutting without a plan behind it is. Her team spent real time helping clients slow down and be deliberate about which tools go where.

What we cover:

✅ Building the agency they couldn’t find as startup marketers

✅ The all-senior staffing model and what it changes about delivery

✅ SEO and answer engine optimization as one content motion, not two

✅ Why AI answers favor FAQs, lists, and structured formats

✅ What goes wrong when AI adoption starts with the tool instead of the plan

✅ Selling in growth phases rather than standard monthly retainers

✅ Moving marketing off the expense line and onto revenue

✅ Hiring for the things you cannot train

✅ Why managers need to become better leaders as AI capability grows

✅ The agent whisperer, and where outside expertise still wins

Connect with Amy Winner:

🌐 https://wheelsupcollective.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/amywinner/

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$249 vs $1,500: Inside White Label SEO Arbitrage | Mark Blum, SEO249

In 2020 Mark Blum watched his business disappear in a single day. He and his wife owned eighteen Coffee News franchise territories across Phoenix, distributing to restaurants and waiting rooms, and when everything shut down there was nowhere left to distribute. He turned to his wife and said they were out of business.

She pointed out that he was already selling SEO on the side as a supplement, outsourcing the work to a team in India at a cost of a hundred dollars. Sell it for 250, she said. He bought the domain SEO249.com and started selling packages at $249.

What happened next is the part worth listening for. An agency owner in Florida found him on LinkedIn and called to say he was reselling the same service to his own clients for fifteen hundred, and he’d rather just buy it from Mark directly. He handed over ten accounts. Mark kept the name and reaimed the entire business at agencies as a white label provider, and it took off across the US, Canada, Europe, and Israel.

The through line he keeps returning to is pivot. His framing: the person who thinks they know everything is the most naive one in the room, because they’ve stopped being open to learning.

That shows up in how he’s handling the current moment in search. He says traditional SEO, the backlinks and on-page work and a blog every couple of weeks, no longer performs the way it used to. It took his team roughly six months to rebuild their approach around what they call cluster authority. Rather than isolated posts, they produce a set of articles that all connect to the site and to a landing page, then interlink across each other in a deliberate pattern. On top of that, each article gets six or seven recaps reformatted for different platforms, all pointing back. The result is a dense web of interconnected content rather than a stack of disconnected pages.

He’s also refreshingly blunt about the alphabet soup around AI search. AEO, GEO, all the new acronyms. His team just calls it SEO and builds visibility inside AI systems into every client engagement by default. His estimate is that somewhere between eighty and ninety percent of agencies haven’t made that shift yet, which is a large part of why the results have been strong enough that he’s willing to offer a guarantee, something white hat shops almost never do.

What we cover:

✅ Yellow Pages to TV to radio GM to eighteen Coffee News territories

✅ Losing a distribution business overnight, and the pivot that saved it

✅ The LinkedIn call that turned a local SEO offer into a white label company

✅ Cluster authority: how the articles interlink and why it works

✅ Why AEO and GEO are just SEO in his shop

✅ Offering a guarantee, and how to spot the black hat version

✅ Staying founder-accessible with a large team and a white label model

✅ Building equity versus renting traffic, and why he still likes Google Ads

Why personal injury billboards get credit they didn’t earn

Where he thinks AI’s role is heading over the next couple of years

Connect with Mark Blum:

🌐 https://seo249.com

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30 Hours of Dead Ends, Then AI Got Him 70% There | John Mitchell, Irving Park Marketing

John Mitchell spent years inside two of the most recognized shops in advertising. Goodby, Silverstein & Partners, and then Commonwealth McCann in Detroit working on Chevy and Pure Michigan. Before that he was in Oregon on Nike, Columbia Sportswear, Keen, and Norwegian Cruise Lines. By most measures that’s a career people spend decades trying to build.

He left because the job had stopped being the work. He was running digital, CRM, and the catalog team, with dotted lines into social and other agencies, and most of his day went to personnel and process. The part he actually loved, sitting with creative teams and building solutions, had been squeezed out. So he moved back to Oregon, called the clients he’d worked with before, and started Irving Park Marketing, named after the neighborhood park where he grew up.

The conversation gets interesting when he explains how he sequences an engagement. At Irving Park, creative is the third or fourth step, not the first. Objectives, KPIs, budget, and timeline come before anyone opens a design file. His view is that clients are so deep in daily firefighting that nobody is looking at the bigger picture, and that most brands assume the market knows far more about them than it does. His line on that: most people don’t know five percent of your brand.

On AI, John gives one of the more useful real-world accounts I’ve gotten on this show, because it comes with a number attached. He was doing pro bono brand work for a psychologist opening her own practice. His team had already put roughly thirty hours into logo and palette directions that weren’t landing. He gathered the adjectives, the persona, and her intent, fed all of it in, and pulled out about half a dozen strong directions she could react to immediately. That got them about seventy percent of the way. His creative team finished the last thirty percent, which is where the taste and the fine touches live. Time saved, cost saved, human judgment still deciding.

We also get into how he competes with fifty-person shops using a small core team and a deep vetted stable of contractors, why he refers clients to good hires even when it costs him the engagement, and what he thinks separates real customer-centricity from the version that lives on a company’s About page.

What we cover:

✅ Why he left two of the biggest names in advertising to build something smaller

✅ The three pillars at Irving Park, and why strategy runs so wide

✅ Sequencing an engagement so creative comes after the objectives are clear

✅ Representing the market back to the client instead of taking orders

✅ A concrete AI workflow: thirty hours of dead ends to six usable directions

✅ Why the last thirty percent still belongs to people

✅ Competing without a big team through a vetted contractor network

✅ Two kinds of storytelling, and what actually makes loyalty work

✅ Where the agency landscape goes next, and what consumers will reward

Connect with John Mitchell:

🌐 https://irvingparkmarketing.com

📧 [email protected]

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Traffic Is Down and That’s Ok: Measuring Brand Visibility in AI Search | Nikki Lindgren, Pennock

Nikki Lindgren had every reason to build a generalist agency. Her background runs through Pottery Barn, World Market, and KiwiCo on the brand side, then agency side at Delivery Agent where she managed more than 30 entertainment and sports ecommerce properties. That’s enough breadth to credibly sell to almost anyone.

She went the other way and built Pennock around beauty and lifestyle brands doing one to ten million in annual revenue. Her reasoning was unsentimental: her network in beauty ran deeper than she’d realized, and in 2020 the cost of launching a beauty brand had dropped far enough that new ones were flooding in. Once she started saying out loud that Pennock were beauty experts, the close rate climbed sharply.

The part of this conversation agency owners will replay is her account of what she calls data not fluff, and what it actually looks like on a client call. Her example: a paid media team targeting 4x return on ad spend hits 4.2 and walks into the meeting thrilled. Meanwhile the client’s top line is off against last year, their MER is sliding, and they are in a completely different headspace. Her team runs a pre-call huddle to decide the three things they need to land and how those map to the three things the client actually cares about, so the call starts where the client’s head is instead of where the agency’s dashboard is.

On search, Nikki makes one of the more useful arguments I’ve heard about where AEO and GEO are heading. The foundation still runs through traditional SEO work: category pages, product description pages, ingredient profiles, FAQs, schema markup. What changes is what success looks like. She’s seeing clients whose site traffic isn’t growing while conversion rate is, because people are doing their research inside AI tools and only arriving at the site once they’re ready to buy. Fewer visits, better visits, and channel revenue holding.

We also get into creative velocity, where she shares real math. For a beauty brand spending seventy thousand a month on Meta, she’s briefing somewhere between fifty and eighty assets. Roughly one new creative per thousand dollars in spend, stretching to one per three or four thousand for more mature brands. She also makes a prediction that cuts against the prevailing wisdom: she thinks required creative quantity is near a turning point and may start to come down.

What we cover:

✅ Why niching into beauty raised the close rate instead of shrinking the market

✅ Moving from freelancers to an in-house team, and hiring her first employee three weeks before the pandemic

✅ The three stories framework for client calls

✅ What AEO and GEO change for a brand built on keyword-driven SEO

✅ Why falling traffic can be good news, and how to measure it

✅ Creative volume math, and why most assets never get real spend

✅ Building and staffing a female-led agency in the beauty space

✅ Where she’s betting next: systematizing AI, deeper creative, full funnel for med spas

Connect with Nikki Lindgren:

🌐 https://pennock.co

💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikkilindgren/

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“Your Org Chart Is Now Human and AI Agent” | Carl Willis, Simplicity Marketing

Carl Willis took a route into marketing that almost nobody takes on purpose. Financial services, then pastoral leadership, then real estate investing, and eventually Simplicity Marketing. Along the way he did the opposite of what most agency owners do when they want to grow: instead of staying horizontal and taking whatever walked in the door, he built vertical-specific brands under one parent company and committed to serving remodeling contractors and insurance businesses extremely well.

In this conversation he explains why that decision unlocked the scale a generalist model never gave him, and how the same instinct is now shaping the way he’s rebuilding the company around AI agents.

The part that will stay with most agency owners is his description of what his org chart looks like now. It’s humans and AI agents, side by side, and it required him to write SOPs for the agents the same way he writes them for his team. He has to teach his people how to work with the agents, and teach the agents how to work with his people, with authority guardrails and approval gates built in. A year ago that wasn’t a problem any CEO had on the whiteboard.

We also get into the custom GPT strategists he builds for each client at Remodeling Marketing Team, trained on that client’s services, geography, target homeowner, and competitive landscape. He feeds them search console data, ad campaign data, and social performance on a regular cadence, then has them analyze competitor gaps and flag where content is cannibalizing itself. He describes the result as a personalized CMO working around the clock, amplifying the expertise he already brings rather than replacing it.

And we spend real time on where search is going. Carl wrote a LinkedIn piece called The End of the Click about Google’s shift toward agentic search, and he makes a concrete case for what answer engine optimization actually requires. Google I/O in May 2026 was built around agents, including Gemini Spark and a broad agentic overhaul of Search. His argument: ranking for blue links matters less than building enough trustworthy data around your client’s entire ecosystem that any AI agent can confidently explain what the business does, how well it does it, and why it should be recommended.

What we cover:

✅ Why niching into verticals produced synergy, efficiency, and geographic scale

✅ The marketing ecosystem model, and why seven touch points is probably an undercount

✅ Building custom GPT strategists trained on a single client’s landscape

✅ The feedback loop that keeps those tools genuinely useful

✅ The End of the Click: what agentic search changes about visibility

✅ Answer engine optimization for a local service business

✅ Why the buyer’s real question list runs ten or twelve deep, not one

✅ Running an org chart of humans and AI agents, with SOPs for both

✅ How the agency role is expanding into systems integration and operational consulting

Connect with Carl Willis:

🌐 https://simplicitymarketingllc.com/

💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlwillis/

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He Runs 170 AI Agents Inside His Agency | Hamlet Azarian, Azarian Growth Agency

Hamlet Azarian started Azarian Growth Agency in June 2020, the same month the OpenAI API went into beta. He didn’t plan it that way, but it meant the agency never had a “before AI” era to unlearn. Six years later he’s running a proprietary operating system with roughly 170 autonomous agents, connected to more than 50 data sources, sitting on a memory layer that holds short-term, long-term, procedural, and session context.

In this conversation he breaks down the five levels of AI maturity he uses to diagnose every company that comes through the door, and where almost everyone gets stuck. About 45% of the leads he sees are still at level one: a few seats of ChatGPT or Copilot, some people using it well, no documented processes underneath. Another 25% have reached AI-assisted, where context and clean data start producing real output and productivity jumps somewhere between 150% and 250%. The gap between that and what he calls the autonomy line is where the compounding starts.

We also get into his hiring philosophy, which runs against how most agencies staff: build marketers, don’t buy them. The agency began as an academy in partnership with Yerevan State University in Armenia, and that forced them to document every SOP before they scaled. Those same SOPs now train the AI.

Plus: what a tailor-made growth engine actually looks like in the first 90 days, why the B2B funnel for a $20K bathroom remodel maps almost exactly onto a mid-market SaaS funnel, and why Hamlet thinks the surviving agencies three years from now will be embedded partners doing quarterly planning, not vendors shipping deliverables.

What we cover

✅ Why high-stakes work with pre-product startups pressure-tests everything

✅ Growth OS: 170 agents, 50+ data sources, and a four-part memory layer

✅ Connecting client data before the engagement even starts

Finding the leaks in a funnel and deciding which ones are worth fixing

✅ Build marketers, don’t buy them: the case for developing A players internally

✅ Open-sourcing your process through Growth Labs, and why it brings in clients, talent, and partners

✅ The five levels of AI: pilot, assisted, operated, agent-led, compounding

✅ Why hallucination rates still run 15 to 20% and what fixes it

✅ Where B2B and B2C growth engines converge, and where they split

✅ The partner-pod model and where agencies are headed

Connect with Hamlet Azarian:

🌐 https://azariangrowthagency.com

💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/hamletazarian/

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“Everybody Wants to Be Different Until They Have to Be Different” | James Loomstein, Rogue Marketing

“It’s not really a marketing problem. There’s a system problem.”

James Loomstein came up through Omnicom and agency.com, bouncing from Dallas to New York to Chicago to San Francisco on pitch teams and consumer insights work, before founding his own consulting firm and eventually merging it with Chip’s agency in 2016 to form Rogue Marketing. The name comes from Chip’s corporate years, when he kept hearing “you’re going rogue” at review time for pushing past the approved playbook. James has also taught social media, entrepreneurship, and digital strategy at SMU’s Cox School of Business for over a decade, which he says keeps his hands dirty in the craft rather than letting him become what he calls a headline reader.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

✅ Where the Rogue name came from, and how that founding ethos still determines which clients they take on

✅ Why Rogue positions as business builders with a marketing toolbox rather than a marketing agency, and how that changes the first conversation with a CEO

✅ His concept of micro moments and micro yeses, and the costly mistake most companies make by restarting their pipeline from zero every campaign cycle

✅ Why he tells clients that digital marketing will never be as cheap as it was yesterday or as easy as it is today

✅ What teaching MBA students for over a decade forces him to stay sharp on, from analytics to paid media to AI

✅ His read on the AI hype cycle: why the gap between daily practitioners and everyone else is widening rather than closing

✅ The margin trap he sees agency owners fall into when they say yes to work outside their skill set and quietly subcontract it

✅ What he thinks agencies need to become over the next few years, starting with getting genuinely good at orchestration

Connect with James Loomstein:

🌐 https://rogue-marketing.com

💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/jloomstein (subscribe to the Byte Size newsletter)

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From Surgical Instruments to Positioning 600 B2B Startups | Rob Kaminski, Fletch

“We couldn’t understand what the heck these products did.”

Rob Kaminski designed specialty surgical instruments for spinal surgeries before co-creating a corporate incubator that was acquired by Vista Equity, running GTM Innovation at Oracle, and eventually co-founding Fletch with his business partner Anthony. Fletch does one thing: a two-week positioning sprint for B2B software companies. No retainers, no full-service menu, no long engagements. They’ve now run it nearly 600 times, and they built the entire business on organic LinkedIn content before they even had a website.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

✅ How a career spanning medical devices, enterprise sales, and Oracle led to a consultancy focused on one narrow problem

✅ Why Rob and his co-founder deliberately rejected the full-service agency model, and what made it nearly impossible to market and sell

✅ The ten-week period where they dynamically pitched different services to figure out what the market actually wanted

✅ Why they ran their first dozen client projects for free or close to it before ever launching publicly

✅ The contrarian reason Fletch does not interview their clients’ customers, and what they discovered about research that was making founders frustrated

✅ Why founders suffer from what Rob calls the curse of knowledge, and how being a deliberately ignorant outsider becomes the value

✅ How AI is actually increasing demand for his consultancy rather than threatening it, because easier software development means more competitors and more positioning problems

✅ Where AI fits into his process as an accelerator, and why positioning decisions remain gut calls in low-data, high-risk environments

Connect with Rob Kaminski:

🌐 https://fletchpmm.com

💼 https://www.linkedin.com/in/heyrobk/

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He Outranks Publicly Traded Companies in AI Search | David Esau, Click Track Marketing

“A beautiful website is like building a house in the middle of nowhere.”

David Esau spent three and a half years at Google at the center of search and advertising before launching Click Track Marketing in late 2021. He also grew up in a family business his grandfather started in 1954, a custom door and window company, and those two influences shape how the agency operates: Google taught him that attribution is everything, and the family business taught him craftsmanship and serving a community over the long term. Click Track has served over 500 clients in under five years and built three proprietary products rather than reselling off-the-shelf tools.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

✅ Why David believes great marketing is infrastructure rather than aesthetics, and what that means for a client expecting a redesign

✅ How ClickTrack outranks massive publicly traded companies for competitive AI marketing search terms in San Diego, simply by building on the right foundation

✅ The three proprietary tools they built in-house for visitor identification, intent data, and revenue attribution, and why they didn’t just resell existing software

✅ A real example of AI-driven discovery: a financial planner who landed a client with $40 million in assets under management from a single ChatGPT recommendation

✅ Why David pushes back when clients bring him answers from ChatGPT, and the ad campaign he nearly shut off that was actually driving all the closed revenue

✅ How ClickTrack builds a folder and captures transcripts from the very first conversation, so the system learns the client’s business from day one

✅ His approach to giving away free tools, playbooks, and book chapters, and why that builds trust rather than cannibalizing the business

✅ Where he thinks the agency landscape splits between firms building real AI infrastructure and firms bolting AI language onto existing services

Connect with David Esau:

🌐 https://clicktrackmarketing.com

📧 [email protected]

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“I’m 70, I’m a Tech Enthusiast, and I’m Likely the Most Dangerous Person in Your Marketing” | Nancy A. Shenker

“Raging against the machine, as opposed to embracing the machine, is a surefire way of becoming a dinosaur.”

Nancy A. Shenker has worked through nearly every major shift in marketing media: direct mail, the birth of the internet, the rise of social media in 2005, and now AI. She was part of the team that rolled out MasterCard’s Priceless campaign, one of the longest-running campaigns in advertising history, before leaving the C-suite in 2003 to launch theONswitch, a virtual CMO practice built on flat-fee retainers rather than billable hours. She wrote a book about AI in 2017, before most marketers were paying attention, and she describes her own career advantage in blunt terms: she’s a dual citizen of traditional and digital marketing.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

✅ Why Nancy treats her age and 40-year career as her sharpest differentiator rather than something to downplay

✅ What has genuinely stayed constant across five decades of marketing, and why she considers the delivery mechanism tactical rather than strategic

✅ The inside story of how MasterCard’s Priceless campaign came together, starting with research showing consumers saw the brand as their grandmother’s credit card

✅ How she uses multiple LLMs as a modern creative bake-off, running the same brief past four or five AI models the way agencies once pitched competing concepts

✅ Why she left the C-suite in 2003 to build a virtual CMO practice, and what she saw in the agency billing model that made her want to disrupt it

✅ Her take on signal stacking: one consistent brand delivered across multiple communities, with a declared theme every week

✅ Why she believes everyone has a responsibility to train AI models, including the specific bias she keeps correcting in image generation

✅ Her read on where agencies are headed, and the Dunkin’ Donuts comparison she uses to describe the industry’s current denial

Connect with Nancy A. Shenker:

🌐 https://theonswitch.com

🌐 https://nancyaf.com

📝 Substack: Bodies and Bots, and Your Nerve

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