Main Street AI Interviews

47 Years of Divorce Law. Now He's Going 100% AI. Meet Mark Chinn.

Mark has been practicing law since 1978. He's the founder of Chinn and Associates, a statewide Mississippi family law practice, the author of four American Bar Association books on family law and practice management, and a relentless systems thinker who went from grinding steel in a factory to arguing before the United States Supreme Court. Now, after nearly five decades of practice, he's making the most aggressive AI investment of anyone we've had on this show.

In this episode, you'll discover:

✅ How Mark built "Mark's Robot," a custom GPT trained on two years of his own case assessments, four books, and hundreds of checklists and forms, that generates detailed case plans in 10 minutes instead of hours

✅ Why 90% of his new business is now coming from ChatGPT searches instead of Google, and what that means for every attorney still investing primarily in SEO

✅ The firm's push to go 100% AI-operated within weeks, covering everything from calendar management and email to document preparation and case management

✅ How his AI receptionist "Alex" handles calls 24/7, sets appointments, collects payment, and sends contracts without any human involvement

✅ His vision for wearing Meta glasses in court and having AI coach him in real time during trial

✅ The story of how a practice management coach looked at his bank deposits and said "Mark, you're a divorce lawyer," and why that moment of forced specialization transformed his career

✅ Why Mark believes if you're worried you need to talk to a lawyer, you do, and how he's actually helped save marriages as a divorce attorney

✅ The controlled separation protocol he developed after surveying every licensed professional counselor in Mississippi

✅ His "Ritz Carlton service" philosophy: answer the client's question before it's asked

✅ Why he moved to flat fee billing 20 years ago and the auto repair analogy that makes the case better than anything else

✅ His "impossible goals" framework inspired by The Science of Scaling: double income every year, funded by AI investment

✅ The single most important piece of advice for anyone going through a divorce in the age of social media: never say, write, post, or do anything you wouldn't want the whole world to see on the internet

Connect with Mark Chinn / Chinn and Associates:

Website: www.chinnlaw.com

Phone: 601-366-4410

Email: [email protected]

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He Built Legal Tech in 2010. Now AI Is Finally Catching Up to His Vision.

Ray Gallo is the founder of Gallo LLP, a small litigation firm known for taking on complex, large-scale cases against some of the biggest firms in the country. He's also the creator of Leverage (leverage.law), a legal technology platform he first prototyped in 2010 to manage mass claims for hundreds of defrauded culinary school students. That work produced a $40 million result, helped trigger Senate hearings on the for-profit education industry, and became a model for how small firms could punch far above their weight class using technology.

In this episode, you'll discover:

✅ The full story behind the California Culinary Academy case: how Ray took a case nobody wanted, built custom technology to manage 500 clients, and produced a $40 million result that changed an entire industry

✅ Why Ray believes AI's most surprising near-term impact on legal tech won't be replacing lawyers but making existing software easier to learn, set up, and adopt, solving the adoption problem he's wrestled with for over a decade

✅ His prediction that the best lawyers with AI support will consolidate the industry, taking on the workload of entire teams while delivering better quality than large firms staffed with average associates

✅ Why the recruiting crisis every law firm talks about might actually be an AI opportunity in disguise

✅ A candid take on legal education: why Ray, an Ivy League graduate, has become "surprisingly anti-education" and believes a high school valedictorian plus 300 books plus apprenticeship could produce a better lawyer than three years of law school

✅ The document review paradox: why senior lawyers are always better at it than associates, why they never do it, and how AI could finally resolve that tension

✅ Why Ray takes only 1 in 50 prospective cases and how staying small lets him deliver work he describes as closer to art than business

✅ His view on juries: "I've never seen a jury do something that made no sense"

✅ The personal why behind 30+ years of litigation, starting with nightly cross-examination at the dinner table by his Harvard-educated lawyer father

Connect with Ray Gallo / Gallo LLP:

Website: gallo.law

Also: leverage.law

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40 Years of Trial Experience Meets AI: A Solo Litigator on What's Changed and What Never Will

James Bendell is a solo litigator based in Western Washington and North Idaho. Over the course of 40 years, he's tried cases as a prosecutor, spent 16 years representing insurance companies, served as a Superior Court Commissioner and Judge Pro Temp, and now runs his own plaintiff and defense litigation practice. His work is 100% courtroom oriented. He doesn't do wills, doesn't do divorce, doesn't do workers comp. He tries cases.

In this episode, you'll discover:

✅ Why the American legal system has a fundamental gap that England solved centuries ago: the difference between solicitors and barristers, and why it matters when you're hiring a lawyer

✅ How James uses Westlaw Precision and Co-Counsel to turn three to four hour research questions into 15-minute answers

✅ A use case most attorneys haven't considered: running AI searches in real time during trial to challenge claims as they're being made in the courtroom

✅ Why having tried cases from all three positions in a courtroom (prosecutor, defense attorney, and judge) gives James a perspective most litigators simply don't have

✅ The economics of personal injury that most clients don't understand: why an attorney might have to turn down a legitimate case because the math doesn't work at the contingency fee model

✅ How insurance companies have adapted to the economics of small injury claims and what that means for plaintiffs

✅ Why the U.S. has a massive oversupply of lawyers, how law schools became profit centers for universities, and what that means for competition and marketing

✅ The reality of marketing as a solo practitioner when nationwide firms spend $100,000 a month on Google ads

✅ Notable case outcomes including a $1.5 million judgment against a state foster home and multiple wrongful death recoveries

Connect with James:

Phone: 208-981-0555

https://bendelllawfirm.com

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A Family Law Attorney on Why Nobody Wins at Trial, and How AI Is Changing a 13-Attorney Firm From the Inside

Priscila Janjua is a family law and immigration attorney at SWNL Attorneys, a 13-attorney firm in Fargo, North Dakota. The firm covers nearly every practice area and serves clients across the state and into neighboring Minnesota and Montana. Priscila is heading into her fourth year of practice and is already part of the firm's outreach and media efforts, helping build the pipeline from UND's law school into the firm's growing roster.

In this episode, you'll discover:

✅ Why family law clients consistently underestimate how long their case will take, and why 8 to 12 months to trial is normal in Cass County

✅ How SWNL built internal AI policies, added AI disclosures to their retainer agreements, and deployed paid accounts across departments while keeping strict rules about what information goes in

✅ A practical immigration law use case where AI reads a passport and auto-fills every required form, replacing hours of manual cross-referencing

✅ Why Priscila believes AI won't replace attorneys or paralegals but will let the same team take on significantly more cases without the added stress

✅ How different departments at the firm use different AI tools based on their needs, from Claude for medical record review in personal injury to ChatGPT for discovery in family law

✅ The cost-benefit reality most people don't consider before deciding to sue someone

✅ Why the "bulldog attorney" reputation that some clients seek actually makes their life worse for the 10 to 13 years of co-parenting that follow

✅ How the firm maintains a hiring pipeline through their relationship with North Dakota's only law school, summer internships, and an open-door shadow program

✅ What it means to be a young, progressive firm where no attorney is over 50 and the culture is professional but never stuffy

Connect with Priscila Janjua / SWNL Attorneys:

Website: www.swnl.com

Email: [email protected]

Social: Instagram, Facebook, X, Google

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An AI-Forward Divorce Lawyer Who Tells Clients to Stay Married

Davey Jones is the managing partner of Jones Law Partners in Alexandria, Louisiana. The firm was born four years ago when three solo practitioners merged their complementary practices: domestic law and personal injury (Davey), criminal defense, and immigration. Today the firm has four attorneys, a strong culture, and growth plans that include doubling their office footprint and building a partner track pipeline.

In this episode, you'll discover:

✅ Why Davey tells potential divorce clients to hire a marriage counselor instead of him, and how that philosophy actually builds his practice through trust and referrals

✅ His concept of "breaking cycles" in family law: making sure the children in his cases don't repeat their parents' mistakes

✅ How the firm is thinking about the shift from SEO to AEO (AI engine optimization) and what it means when potential clients search for a lawyer through Claude or ChatGPT instead of Google

✅ The infamous Louisiana disciplinary case where an attorney used ChatGPT to write a brief, cited hallucinated case law, then doubled down when caught

✅ How Davey used Claude to build a custom employee time-tracking app in HTML, mounted on an iPad on the wall, saving time and money with zero coding background

✅ A research task that would have taken 8 to 12 hours cut down to 45 minutes using AI

✅ Why Davey believes transactional legal work (closings, contracts, abstracts) could eventually be AI-driven, but custody schedules and pain-and-suffering valuations require a human element that won't be replaced anytime soon

✅ The emerging issue of PI clients bringing AI-generated case valuations to their attorneys and why the inputs determine everything

✅ How the firm built an in-office daycare when three paralegals were pregnant at the same time, and what that says about retention and culture

✅ The vision for scaling a "street lawyer" practice with a true partner track, something usually reserved for big corporate firms

Connect with Davey Jones / Jones Law Partners:

Phone: 318-442-1515

Email: [email protected]

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A Pharma Lawyer Explains the AI Legal Crisis Nobody Is Talking About

Darshan Kulkarni is a pharmacist turned attorney who represents life sciences companies and FDA-regulated businesses. He's a sixth-generation pharmacist, the founder of Kulkarni Law Firm, a former chair of two ABA interest groups, and a lecturer at Drexel, Cornell, UPenn, and UCLA. He also hosts the Darshan Talks podcast with over 1,000 episodes.

This episode went deeper on the legal implications of AI than any conversation we've had on this show. Darshan connects dots between attorney-client privilege, patent law, trade secrets, healthcare regulation, and FDA compliance in ways that will make you rethink what's actually at stake.

In this episode, you'll discover:

✅ The Heppner decision explained: why a client lost attorney-client privilege after using Claude to clean up a legal summary, and what it means for every professional using AI with confidential information

✅ The other ruling from the same day that almost nobody talks about, where a judge ruled that an attorney's use of AI was simply work product, just like any other legal research tool

✅ Why the distinction between these two cases seems to hinge entirely on whether the user is a lawyer or not, and the First Amendment questions that raises

✅ How pharmaceutical companies could lose billions in patent protection if clinical trial vendors use unapproved AI tools and inadvertently disclose proprietary formulas

✅ Why saying "there are no laws for AI" is flat wrong, and how existing privacy, trade secret, and intellectual property laws already apply

✅ The Characters.ai lawsuit in Pennsylvania where an AI held itself out as a licensed medical doctor, and what that means for the wellness versus healthcare boundary

✅ Sam Altman's proposal for AI privilege protections, and why requesting privilege while simultaneously lobbying to cap liability raises serious questions

✅ Why AI companies pushing for a billion dollar liability cap tells you something important about the scale of damage already occurring

✅ How Darshan uses AI to do work that would have previously taken years, like compiling 50-state regulatory summaries across multiple agencies simultaneously

✅ The ABA question nobody can answer yet: is it malpractice NOT to use AI if it would make you a better attorney?

Connect with Darshan Kulkarni:

Website: www.kulkarnilawfirm.com

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: Darshan Kulkarni

Podcast: Darshan Talks

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A Silicon Valley Attorney on AI, Cross-Border Startups, and Why Founders Should Call a Lawyer Before They Even Incorporate

Ruming Liu is a founding partner at MagStone Law, a boutique corporate law firm headquartered in Silicon Valley with offices across New York, New Jersey, Los Angeles, and Singapore. The firm advises startup founders on venture financing, M&A, fund formation, IPOs, intellectual property, and cross-border transactions. Every attorney on the team speaks multiple languages, and their clients come from all over the world.

In this episode, you'll discover:

✅ The number one mistake startup founders make: waiting until they need financing to hire a lawyer, when the critical decisions happen long before that

✅ Real examples of founder disputes that could have been avoided entirely with early legal counsel, like co-founders leaving and refusing to return their shares

✅ How MagStone uses AI tools including Claude and Harvey, and why Ruming insists on a verification layer before anything goes out the door

✅ A candid look at the double-edged sword of clients running their own AI research before calling their attorney, and why it sometimes doubles the legal bill instead of cutting it

✅ Why Ruming believes AI is excellent at saving time on formatting, tone, and language, but can produce errors that even experienced lawyers struggle to spot without deep investigation

✅ How the firm trains junior associates differently in the AI era: starting with the big picture instead of burying them in tedious tasks

✅ What sets a boutique firm apart when competing against large corporate practices for startup clients, especially on cost, responsiveness, and cultural understanding

✅ Why understanding a client's home jurisdiction matters just as much as knowing US law, and how that cross-border instinct shapes better legal advice

✅ How MagStone maintains steady growth while keeping rates low and protecting work-life balance for the team

Connect with Ruming:

Email: [email protected]

Website: magstonelaw.com

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AI in the Courtroom: How a Personal Injury Firm Is Using It to Win Cases – and What Happens When Clients Use It Too

Jordan Vahdat is the founding partner of Vahdat Weisman Law in Livonia, Michigan. His firm handles personal injury cases across the state, litigates in federal courts around the country, and runs a specialized practice representing medical providers recovering unpaid bills from insurance companies. In seven years, the firm has grown to seven attorneys and is still expanding.

What makes this conversation particularly interesting is that Jordan is thinking about AI from two very different angles at once: as a practitioner who has seen massive efficiency gains, and as a managing partner watching a new dynamic unfold when clients start using AI to evaluate their own cases.

In this episode, you'll discover:

✅ How Jordan's team uses AI to analyze 10,000 to 20,000 pages of medical records in minutes, replacing expensive nurse and physician review services that used to take weeks

✅ The specific AI legal research tools the firm uses and why they outperform generic LLMs for case analysis

✅ A candid look at the new client dynamic where people bring AI-generated case valuations into conversations with their attorney — and what Jordan does about it

✅ Why Jordan compares AI to a great set of tools in the hands of a master mechanic versus a handyman

✅ The medical provider angle most people don't think about: why clinics and pharmacies that keep their bills with the patient's attorney are leaving money on the table

✅ What to do immediately after an accident (before you even find a lawyer) to protect your claim

✅ Why Jordan takes cases other lawyers have already rejected — and how that mindset has built some of his best referral relationships

✅ How the firm manages a 16-month average case cycle while staying on top of a growing case load

✅ What it actually takes to build a law firm culture where people want to stay and do their best work

Connect with Jordan:

Website: www.thevwlaw.com

Phone: 734-469-4994Free consultations available

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From Sailboat to AI-Powered Law Firm: How One Attorney Built a C-Suite of Agents

"I have a CFO agent giving me real-time financial data every Monday. I couldn't tell you how much I've paid for marketing over the years that produced absolutely nothing, and now I'm running my own Google and LinkedIn ads with AI."

Amanda Butler Schley is the managing partner of Business Law Group in New Orleans, a boutique firm that advises growth-stage companies in hospitality, retail, and beyond. She left a large law firm, moved onto a sailboat with her husband to sail the Gulf of Mexico, and founded her firm on the premise that great legal work could happen from anywhere. Now she's bringing that same pioneering spirit to AI.

In this episode, you'll discover:

✅ Why proactive legal counsel is one of the most overlooked growth tools for founders approaching the $1M revenue mark

✅ How Amanda built a full agentic C-suite — a CFO agent, CMO agent, and CEO advisor — to get the kind of strategic intelligence she used to pay consultants for

✅ The practical difference between casually using an LLM and actually building AI systems that work for your business

✅ What Amanda looks for when hiring now (hint: "I used ChatGPT" is not the right answer)

✅ Why she thinks content and personal brand are the single biggest competitive advantages lawyers can build right now

✅ The case for staying small and getting more productive rather than scaling headcount

✅ Where SEO is heading and what AEO means for professional services firms

✅ Her take on AI receptionists, intake automation, and the lead conversion window every law firm is underestimating

About the Guest:

Amanda runs a firm of three people with 33% profitability, and her goal isn't to add bodies — it's to use AI to reach the next revenue level with the team she already has. This episode is a blueprint for any professional services firm thinking the same way.

Connect with Amanda:

Website: www.lawgroup.biz

Phone: 504-446-6506

Email: [email protected] | [email protected]

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"AI has been unbelievably transformative in the way we practice. We can now prepare for a deposition in days that used to take weeks — and spend more time reading medical literature than drafting questions."

Charles Price has been a medical malpractice trial attorney for 43 years. He practices at Miller, Rosnick, D'Amico, August & Butler in Bridgeport, Connecticut — one of the most active firms on the state's docket — alongside his son Will, who he credits as the firm's original AI champion. Together, they've spent the last year and a half systematically testing every major AI platform, comparing them against each other, and building a layered technology stack specific to their firm's needs.

In this episode of the Main Street AI Podcast, Charles brings 43 years of hard-won perspective to the AI conversation — including a sharp concern about what happens to critical thinking when young lawyers never have to do the hard analytical work themselves. He also shares what keeps him doing this after four decades: not the money, but the moments when a deposition forces a doctor to change how they practice forever.

In this episode, you'll discover:

✅ Why medical malpractice cases require far more than proving negligence — and what the elements most clients don't understand going in

✅ The emotional reality of working with clients on the worst days of their lives — and what "successfully" resolving a wrongful death case actually feels like

✅ How Charles and Will tested every major AI platform and why they landed on Claude as their primary tool for analysis, drafting, and document synthesis

✅ The closed vs. open system distinction that every attorney handling HIPAA-protected records needs to understand

✅ How AI transformed deposition prep from weeks of manual medical record review to days — and what that time savings actually enables

✅ The real fear about AI and the next generation: will young lawyers develop the critical thinking skills they need if they never have to do the hard analytical work?

✅ Why hiring trends for associates are already declining — and what that means for the profession in five years

✅ The current battle inside the firm: upgrading archaic case management software and getting a 74-year-old bookkeeper using 1980s accounting software on board

✅ The personal why: not the settlement check, but the moment a doctor leaves a deposition room and never practices the same way again

About the Guest:

Forty-three years of fighting for accountability in the medical field — and Charles Price is still most motivated by the moment a deposition changes how a doctor practices forever. This episode is for personal injury and medical malpractice attorneys navigating the AI landscape, clients who need to understand what a strong malpractice case actually requires, and anyone thinking carefully about what technology gains — and what it costs.

Connect with Charles:

🌐 millerandrosnick.com

📧 [email protected]

📧 [email protected] (Will Price)

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