In this powerful season finale, host Gina L. Osborn — Army veteran, former FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, leadership advisor, and keynote speaker — reflects on the "seasons" that define our personal and professional journeys.

Not spring, summer, fall, and winter, but the ones we live through: the seasons of waiting, preparation, and harvest. Drawing from her own experience leaving the FBI, rebuilding her identity, and launching Making Maverick Moves, Gina reminds us that every season has a purpose — and that the quiet moments of growth often set the stage for our greatest breakthroughs.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• 🌱 How to recognize which season you're in — waiting, preparation, or harvest.

• 🌧 Why the "silent" seasons aren't punishment, but preparation.

• 🔨 How to use times of uncertainty to sharpen your mindset, skills, and purpose.

• 🌸 What it looks like to step into your harvest season — and bring others with you.

• 💡 The Maverick lesson: true leadership isn't just about rising, it's about lifting.

Key Quotes

"Winter doesn't mean the tree is dead. It means it's gathering strength for spring."

"When the door opens, it's too late to get ready."

"The most powerful thing you can do when the spotlight's on you is to widen the light."

Takeaway Every season — even the quiet ones — serves a purpose. Whether you're waiting, preparing, or thriving, your courage to grow through each stage will define the legacy you leave behind.

Call to Action Take a moment today and ask yourself:

"What season am I in — and how can I move through it with grace, courage, and purpose?"

Connect with Gina L. Osborn: 🌐 www.ginalosborn.com 📱 Follow Gina on LinkedIn | Instagram 🎧 Listen to more episodes of Making Maverick Moves wherever you get your podcasts.

What if the key to your next opportunity isn't confidence… it's courage?

This week on Making Maverick Moves, Gina L. Osborn — retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge and Army veteran — talks with Katie McEvilly, Senior Vice President and Branch Banking Market Leader at U.S. Bank, about building courage, finding mentors, and learning to trust yourself enough to take bold leaps forward.

Katie's story proves that purpose often finds us when we least expect it. From starting as an "accidental banker" to leading teams across California, she shares what she's learned about:

💥 Saying yes before you feel ready 💥 Building courage like a muscle — through action and repetition 💥 Getting out of your own way and trusting those who believe in you 💥 Leading with authenticity and consistency — because people are always watching 💥 Giving yourself grace to grow and redefine what leadership looks like

As Gina and Katie remind us, leadership doesn't just happen in the spotlight. It's built in the small moments — the hallway chats, the quiet decisions, and the way you show up when no one seems to be watching.

If you've ever questioned your next move, this episode is your reminder to trust yourself, lean into your mentors, and take the leap anyway.

About Katie McEvilly

As she enters her 24th year with U.S. Bank, Katie McEvilly recently began a new position as Branch Banking Market Leader – Orange County South Bay.

After five years in Wealth Management, she's excited to return home to the Branch Banking team — working alongside the California CBB Leadership Team and OCSB Leadership Team to serve teams, clients, and communities across Southern California.

Learn more about U.S. Bank and their leadership initiatives at www.usbank.com.

About Gina L. Osborn

Gina L. Osborn is a retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Army veteran, international keynote speaker, and leadership expert.

During her 28-year career in national security, Gina led counterterrorism, cybercrime, and crisis management programs — including the investigation of the notorious Sony hack. She has served as the FBI's highest-ranking female executive in Los Angeles and later as Chief of Security for LA Metro.

Today, Gina empowers leaders to make bold, values-driven decisions through her Making Maverick Moves podcast, her Substack series Declassified, and her keynote talks on leading through chaos, crisis, and change.

Learn more at www.ginalosborn.com.

Contributions & Credits

🎙️ Host: Gina L. Osborn — Retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Army Veteran, Keynote Speaker, and Leadership Expert 👤 Guest: Katie McEvilly, Senior Vice President & Branch Banking Market Leader – Orange County South Bay, U.S. Bank 🎧 Podcast: Making Maverick Moves 💻 Produced by: Sunny Side Up Marketing 🎥 Video Editing & Production: Gina L. Osborn and Sunny Side Up Marketing 📍 Recorded in Orange County, California

Watch or Listen Now:

🎧 Making Maverick Moves on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts 💻 Visit www.ginalosborn.com for more episodes, leadership insights, and Gina's Substack Declassified.

Follow Gina L. Osborn

🔗 Website: https://www.ginalosborn.com 📸 Instagram: @ginalosborn 💼 LinkedIn: Gina L. Osborn 🎙️ Podcast: Making Maverick Moves

What if the very thing holding you back as a leader isn't your expertise—but your fear of speaking up?

In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, host Gina L. Osborn sits down with Deborah Shames, co-founder of Eloqui and author of Out Front: How Women Can Become Engaging, Memorable, and Fearless Speakers.

Deborah shares her journey from stage fright to speaking mastery, revealing how anyone can project confidence, own their voice, and connect with audiences authentically. You'll learn how to: ✅ Transform fear into power before a big presentation ✅ Replace outdated templates with storytelling that connects ✅ Build executive presence that commands attention ✅ Communicate as your authentic self — not a performer

Whether you're leading a team, presenting to clients, or preparing for your next big opportunity, this conversation will help you speak with confidence, courage, and charisma.

🎧 Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction to Overcoming Fear of Public Speaking 00:22 – Meet Deborah Shames: Communication Expert 01:02 – Personal Journey: From Fear to Confidence 01:50 – Modern Public Speaking Techniques 02:37 – Empowering Women Through Public Speaking 04:44 – The Power of Storytelling 05:03 – Templates and Techniques for Effective Speaking 05:40 – The TEDx Experience: A Turning Point 08:50 – Debunking Public Speaking Myths 09:45 – Leadership and Authenticity in Public Speaking 10:09 – Practical Tips for Executive Presence 11:29 – Effective Communication in Leadership Roles 13:08 – Final Thoughts and Resources

👩‍💼 Guest: Deborah Shames 🌐 www.eloqui.biz 📘 Out Front: How Women Can Become Engaging, Memorable, and Fearless Speakers

🎙️ Host: Gina L. Osborn Retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge | Former Chief of Security, LA Metro | International Speaker & Leadership Expert

🌐 Website: www.ginalosborn.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ginalosborn 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/ginalosborn ▶️ YouTube: @ginalosborn 📰 Substack: www.ginalosborn.substack.com

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In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, Gina L. Osborn sits down with Renée Marino, a former Broadway actress turned communication expert, to explore what it really takes to connect in today's digital world.

From commanding the Broadway stage in Jersey Boys to coaching leaders and entrepreneurs, Renée shares her journey of discovering that the most powerful form of communication isn't about performance—it's about presence. Together, Gina and Renée dive into the power of authenticity, vulnerability, and listening as essential tools for leadership and trust.

Renée reminds us that human connection is irreplaceable, that self-communication is where it all begins, and that the voice inside us can be our greatest guide—if we choose to listen.

💬 In This Episode

• Why authentic connection matters more than ever in a digital age

• How self-communication shapes the way we lead and relate to others

• The role of vulnerability in building trust and influence

• Why technology should amplify—not replace—real connection

• How leaders can foster cultures of communication and trust

• The secret to truly listening and being heard

🔑 Maverick Takeaway

Authentic communication begins within. When you lead with vulnerability and listen with intention, you create the kind of connection that inspires action—and that's what makes a Maverick Move.

👤 About Renée Marino

Renée Marino is a former Broadway actress, communication coach, and the author of Becoming a Master Communicator. Named one of Yahoo Finance's "Top Communication Coaches to Follow," she helps people bridge the gap between digital and human connection to lead with authenticity and confidence.

🔗 Connect with Renée

Website: reneemarino.com Instagram: @iamreneemarino LinkedIn: Renée Marino

🎙️ About Gina L. Osborn

Gina L. Osborn is a retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, former Chief of Security for LA Metro, and U.S. Army Counterintelligence veteran. During her FBI career, she led investigations into cybercrime, terrorism, and organized crime—including overseeing the response to the Sony Pictures hack.

Today, Gina is a keynote speaker, leadership consultant, and host of Making Maverick Moves, where she shares stories of courage, transformation, and the maverick mindset it takes to lead through change.

Learn more at www.ginalosborn.com

Credits

Making Maverick Moves is hosted by Gina L. Osborn and produced by Sunny Side Up Marketing. Theme music: Epic Trailer and Violin Life (Descript Stock Media). © 2025 Gina L. Osborn & Associates. Listen & Subscribe: YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify — and leave a review to help more mavericks find the show!

In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, I sit down with Kabri Lehrman-Schmid, a superintendent who has led more than $1.9 billion in construction projects. In an industry built on grit and contracts, Kabri is proving that curiosity, authenticity, and compassion are the real blueprints for change.

We talk about:

• The challenges of being a woman in a male-dominated field
• How to turn pressure into power
• Why empowering overlooked voices transforms entire cultures
• Bringing mental health to the forefront of construction

Learn more about Gina L. Osborn:

• 🌐 Website: www.ginalosborn.com
• 📖 Bio & Speaking: www.ginalosborn.com/speaking
• 📰 Articles: www.ginalosborn.com/articles
• 🎙️ Podcast Episodes: www.ginalosborn.com/podcast

Connect with Gina on social:

• LinkedIn
• Instagram
• YouTube

If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with a friend, leave a review, and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

What if the most Maverick move isn't predicting what's next—but imagining what could be and daring to make it real? In this episode, Gina talks with Katie Rucker of MacKenzie Corporation about leading like a futurist: flipping scarcity into possibility, loosening rigidity, and giving your team agency to co-create the future. From the "cone of possibility" to curiosity challenges and implication wheels, Katie shows how to slow down, widen your options, and move from reactive to proactive leadership.

In This Episode

• Futures, not forecasts: Why there's no crystal ball—and why "futures" is plural

• From reactive to responsive: The leadership power of the pause

• Cone of possibility: Hold a preferred future while staying adaptive to change

• Co-creation & culture: Building resilient, connected teams with agency

• Curiosity as fuel: Practical prompts to challenge assumptions and expand options

• Legacy & joy: Choosing your ladder, crafting your story, and finding presence

• Slow is bold: Why slowness might be the bravest move in a speed-obsessed world

• Everest Base Camp lesson: Simplicity, nature, and reconnecting to what matters

Maverick Moves to Try

1. 30-Second Pause: Before you respond, breathe. Ask, "What else could be true?"

2. Curiosity Challenge (1 week): Talk to one person outside your bubble each day. Ask how they got where they are—and listen for dots to collect.

3. Flip the Script: When an idea resonates, ask: "What if the opposite were true? What would that change?"

4. Cone of Possibility Exercise: Sketch your preferred future and two alternative scenarios you don't want. Note how you'd adapt in each.

5. Implication Wheel (5 min): If we do X, what are the 1st/2nd-order positive and negative effects in 6–24 months?

Standout Quotes

• "The future isn't predicted—it's co-created."

• "You can't connect the dots until you collect the dots."

• "The arrow has to go back before it can move forward."

• "Slow might be the boldest move we can make right now."

Who Should Listen

Leaders, founders, and changemakers who feel stuck in status quo cycles—and anyone ready to trade reactivity for imagination, agency, and momentum.

Connect

• Guest: Katie Rucker, Mackenzie Corp

• Host: Gina L. Osborn — Army veteran, retired FBI ASAC, former Chief Safety & Security Officer at LA Metro

Credits

Making Maverick Moves is hosted by Gina L. Osborn and produced by Sunny Side Up Marketing. Theme music: Epic Trailer and Violin Life (Descript Stock Media). © 2025 Gina L. Osborn & Associates.

Listen & Subscribe: YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify — and leave a review to help more mavericks find the show.

What does it take to lead with impact in spaces where women are still the minority?

In this episode of Making Maverick Moves, Gina L. Osborn shares her insights from the Global Women in Tech Conference and her own journey through the U.S. Army, the FBI, and LA Metro. From breaking down self-imposed barriers to commanding a room with confidence, Gina unpacks the lessons she's learned about thriving in male-dominated fields, and how you can apply them too.

Through her Maverick Moves framework, Gina offers practical tools and inspiring stories to help you:

• Command the Scene – show up authentically and own your presence

• Rewire the Code – shift limiting beliefs and rewrite your narrative

• Be Ready to Roll – prepare yourself to lead boldly, even in the toughest situations

If you've ever wondered how to rise, lead, and thrive when the odds feel stacked against you, this episode will give you both the motivation and the roadmap.

🎧 Tune in for real-world strategies, empowering takeaways, and the reminder that the boldest move you can make is to lead as yourself.

Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction to Maverick Moves 00:55 – Gina's Career Journey 01:43 – Challenges in Male-Dominated Fields 02:41 – Overcoming Internal Barriers 03:24 – The Cyber Leadership Story 09:01 – Maverick Moves for Success 09:15 – Command the Scene 11:09 – Rewire the Code 12:35 – Be Ready to Roll 14:27 – Conclusion and Call to Action

About the Host — Gina L. Osborn

Gina L. Osborn is a retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Army counterintelligence veteran, former Chief Safety & Security Officer for LA Metro, keynote speaker, and host of Making Maverick Moves. She helps leaders navigate chaos, crisis, and change with courage and clarity.

Connect

Follow Gina: www.ginalosborn.com | LinkedIn | Instagram | YouTube (@MakingMaverickMoves)

If this episode sparked something, subscribe, rate, and share with a leader who needs it. Want more maverick moves? Join the list at www.ginalosborn.com/making-maverick-moves.

What does it take to become the youngest—and first female—dean at a major university? Kristine Collins, Dean of Continuing Education at UC Irvine (UCI), joins Gina L. Osborn to talk servant leadership, building aligned teams, practicing for hard conversations, performance management, bouncing back from setbacks, and why you should never quit before the magic happens. They discuss Kristine's journey to becoming the youngest and first female dean at a major university, emphasizing the importance of vision, practice, and resilience in leadership. Kristine reflects on her sports background and its impact on her leadership style, the importance of team alignment, and dealing with setbacks. The conversation also highlights the challenges of being a female leader, balancing work and personal life, and the significance of self-awareness and adaptability. Join Gina and Kristine for an inspiring discussion on what it takes to achieve greatness in both professional and personal spheres. 00:00 Introduction to Dean Kristine Collins 00:47 Gina L. Osborn's Background 01:27 Leadership Lessons from Sports 03:06 The Importance of Practice 05:18 Building and Leading Effective Teams 10:05 Navigating Challenges and Change 13:55 Vision and Perseverance 20:14 Dealing with Setbacks 26:45 Recognizing When It's Time to Pivot 28:02 Trusting Your Gut and Intuition 28:57 Balancing Work and Personal Life 29:40 Supportive Relationships and Their Impact 32:49 Lightning Round: Fun and Trivia 34:55 Self-Awareness and Leadership 41:05 Embracing Authentic Leadership 47:22 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude Key Takeaways

• Practice is a leadership skill. Prep for meetings and crucial conversations the way athletes prep for games.

• Alignment beats "forced fun." High-trust teams flow on clarity, feedback, and shared goals—not gimmicky offsites.

• Leaders manage performance. Diagnose problems early; avoidance costs culture and results.

• Don't tap out early. Setbacks aren't the ending—often they're the setup.

• Vision needs repetition. Write it down, say it often, and hold steady through noise.

• Remote is different. Create new rituals to keep a pulse on your people.

• Self-awareness matters. Know your blind spots (precision vs. big picture), mood, and impact.

• Work–life alignment > balance. Sports, family, and community fuel better leadership.

Standout Moments

• Growing up in a sports-centric family shaped Kristine's mindset: process, effort, and growth every day.

• Why "practice is everything"—and how leaders can script outcomes and language for tough talks.

• The feeling of an "invincible" team: trust, easy feedback, and simple, shared goals.

• Performance management as a duty: empathy first, clarity always, and decisive action when needed.

• Leading change inside a large bureaucracy with business-speed decisions.

• Setback story: losing a coveted role by email on Father's Day → startup leap → recruited to UCI.

• "Don't quit before the magic happens"—Naked & Afraid metaphor and betting on yourself.

• Work–life alignment: sport, book club, and a supportive partner create capacity to lead.

• Authentic leadership for women: likability vs. leadership, scrutiny, and owning your style.

• Tall-woman leadership: presence can be strength without intimidation.

Notable Quotes

• "Practice is everything—in sports and at work." — Kristine

• "Alignment is gold. High-trust teams make feedback easy and progress inevitable." — Kristine

• "Avoiding performance conversations creates bigger problems." — Kristine

• "Don't quit before the magic happens." — Gina

• "Vision needs to be written, repeated, and protected." — Kristine

About the Guest - Kristine Collins

Kristine Collins is the Dean of Continuing Education at UC Irvine, the youngest and first woman to hold the role. A former athlete and systems thinker, she blends servant leadership with business-speed execution. Recruited from Canada, Kristine's path includes university leadership and a stint in the private sector at a VR startup.

About the Host — Gina L. Osborn

Gina L. Osborn is a retired FBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Army counterintelligence veteran, former Chief Safety & Security Officer for LA Metro, keynote speaker, and host of Making Maverick Moves. She helps leaders navigate chaos, crisis, and change with courage and clarity.

Resources & Mentions

• Allen Iverson "Practice" press conference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byR3Nda7azA

• Naked & Afraid: Last One Standing - https://www.discovery.com/shows/naked-and-afraid-last-one-standing

• UCI Division of Continuing Education - https://ce.uci.edu/

Connect

Follow Gina: www.ginalosborn.com | LinkedIn | Instagram | YouTube (@MakingMaverickMoves)

If this episode sparked something, subscribe, rate, and share with a leader who needs it. Want more maverick moves? Join the list at www.ginalosborn.com/making-maverick-moves .

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Follow Rosslyn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosslyn-cooper-31754077/

What happens when you leave everything behind—your home, your career, your comfort zone—for the unknown? Rosslyn Cooper did just that, moving from Australia to the U.S., taking a 42% pay cut, and stepping into tech leadership with no tech background. In this episode of Making Maverick Moves with Gina L. Osborne, Rosslyn shares her fearless mantra—say yes before you think you're ready—and how it transformed her career and life. From navigating imposter syndrome and leading global digital transformation to embracing authenticity and mentoring future leaders, Rosslyn's journey is a masterclass in courage, adaptability, and heart-led leadership. Whether you're looking to make your own bold move, lead authentically, or simply get inspired by a story of grit and growth, this conversation will challenge you to step through the door—even when you don't feel ready.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Rosslyn's bold leap: moving from Australia, pay cut, and no tech background

02:05 – Saying yes before you're ready: from executive assistant to lifelong mantra

03:36 – The "upper limit problem" and overcoming self-imposed boundaries

05:16 – Facing doubts, embracing resilience, and lessons from her South African upbringing

08:13 – Rising to global leadership without a tech background

11:41 – Heart-led leadership: people first, balance, and authenticity

15:54 – Mentorship, empowering others, and building legacy

20:04 – Problem-solving as a leadership superpower

24:30 – Communicating complex systems simply and driving global buy-in

30:28 – The art of pivoting: turning setbacks into opportunities

35:10 – Lightning round: breaking leadership rules, empathy, and emotional control

40:14 – Rosslyn's proudest Maverick Move & final message: Say yes now, get ready later

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Follow Helen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clearpathhelen

Helen Lao, a first-generation American, left a secure HR career to build Clear Path Solutions, one of the top executive search firms in the U.S. In this conversation, she shares her journey from selling tires to leading a national team, her philosophy of relationships over transactions, and the bold risks that shaped her success.

Timestamps:

00:01 – Betting on herself: founding Clear Path Solutions

01:31 – Growing up first-generation, language barriers & resilience

02:49 – Expectations, being the "black sheep," and work ethic

04:22 – Selling tires as the only woman in the room—becoming top salesperson

05:10 – Transition to recruiting and early HR career

06:39 – Quitting a stable HR role (with 4 kids) to start a firm from scratch

09:30 – Early struggles: $700 split payroll and hand-written checks

10:39 – Matchmaking philosophy: cultural fit over job titles

14:47 – Leadership traits of top CEOs & listening as a superpower

24:58 – Saying "no" to clients: living from abundance, not scarcity

38:17 – Boldest move: walking away from stability into entrepreneurship

45:20 – Advice to women leaders: unlearn silence, speak boldly