Making The Grade

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Making The Grade episodes

  • Scaling Lean in a $500B Market: Ed Bartlett on going from zero to one & transitioning out of the CEO seat

    In the start-up ecosystem, there are a few truths that never change - scaling is harder than it looks, over-hiring can kill momentum, and knowing when to hand over the CEO reins might be the hardest call of all. 

    In this episode,Ed Barltett, Founder & CEO of Hicomply, unpacks how to successfully scale with a lean team and build a GTM engine that actually produces an intent-led pipeline. 

    Ed breaks down why stage-fit leadership beats vanity headcount and how to plan a smooth CEO transition when the time is right. 

    If you’re a founder starting to think about what might be next for you, then this is the perfect episode to listen to.

    Episode Chapters

    02:02 - Ed’s path into Tech 
    10:40 - Finding your niche in a $500B market 
    12:44 - Comparing the UK and US markets 
    17:02 - Staying lean & focusing on speed of execution 
    19:10 - Building a realistic GTM stack in an AI-driven world 
    31:58 - Founder transition & handing over the CEO reins 
    36:47 - Exit prep 101 in 2025 and beyond

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    43 min
  • Running Your Own Race: Tom Lavery on going from bootstrapped to venture-backed

    What does it take to build a category-defining SaaS company when your biggest competitors have raised 40x more funding than you?

    In this episode, Tom Lavery, Founder & CEO of Jiminny, joins us to share how he bootstrapped for years before raising, why staying in control beats chasing hype, and how to layer AI into GTM without over-engineering your stack.

    Expect pragmatic tactics for capital-efficient growth, candid lessons from fundraising in a downturn, and a no-BS view on what’s truly changed in sales. 

    Episode Chapters:

    03:34 - Jiminny’s origin story 
    05:53 - Competing in a category with 40x more capital  
    09:21 - How to pick your investors & navigating the SaaS recession 
    17:20 - What’s changed in sales 
    21:18 - Successfully implementing AI 
    31:18 - The European ecosystem 
    33:18 - Slowing down and getting hiring right

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    38 min
  • Bootstrapping Agorapulse to over $20M ARR with Emeric Ernoult

    Start-up headlines are often dominated by fundraising announcements and the latest valuation. 

    But the Venture Capital route isn’t the only option or the best to take. 

    In this episode, we’re joined by Emeric Ernoult, Co-Founder & CEO of Agorapulse, one of Europe’s most successful bootstrapped SaaS Founders.

    Emeric is a serial entrepreneur and has seen Agorapulse through several pivots and international expansion, all while bootstrapping. 

    This often painful journey has come with its fair share of lessons - some of which Emeric shares with us in today’s conversation. 

    This is definitely not a highlights reel, so if you’re currently going through the trenches or facing a pivot, this episode is one you don’t want to miss. 

    Episode Chapters

    03:37 - Building Agorapulse from the ashes of a previous business 
    07:20 - The signs to know when it’s time to pivot 
    13:31 - Bootstrapping vs VC funding - the hard truths
    17:44 - Understanding VCs beyond the money 
    23:25 - The Do’s & Don’ts of international expansion
    27:28 - Growth metrics that actually matter
    34:07 - How AI is transforming data-driven growth

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    39 min
  • The 5 Silent Killers of Go-To-Market with Keji Mustapha

    Every founder thinks they’re focused on growth. But too often, hidden mistakes in their go-to-market (GTM) strategy quietly erode their chances of success.

    In this Making The Grade episode, we’re joined by Keji Mustapha, CMO at Partech, to unpack the 5 Silent Killers of Go-To-Market. 

    From undefined ICPs and premature scaling, to misaligned leadership and ignoring the voice of the customer, Keji shares practical advice founders can use today to avoid costly mistakes and scale more wisely.

    If you’re a founder, operator, or investor looking to understand why so many companies fail to “make the grade” and why their GTM strategy has a lot to answer for, then this episode will be the one for you. 

    Episode Chapters

    01:40 - Keji’s unconventional journey from law to tech and venture capital
    05:10 - The day-to-day of a CMO in venture
    07:30 - The biggest challenges founders face in 2025
    09:15 - The 5 Silent Killers of GTM
    15:40 - The misalignment trap
    18:50 - Why hiring for shiny logos often backfires
    23:45 - How to build customer obsession into your culture 
    28:00 - Keji’s predictions for GTM 
    32:40 - What really needs to change to improve startup graduation rates

     

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    34 min
  • Capital-Efficient Growth in 2025: James Bagan’s Playbook for GTM Success

    Too many startups hire ahead of demand, invest in the wrong leaders, or scale sales without a clear ICP - all mistakes that can cost millions and kill momentum.

    Today’s Making The Grade guest knows exactly how to avoid those pitfalls.

    We’re joined by James Bagan, Investor at Frog Capital, Chair and GTM advisor for investors. 

    James has been on both sides of the scaling journey. He’s built world-class sales functions, turned around broken go-to-market engines, and led multiple exits. 

    In this episode, James joins Tom to unpack what it really takes to build a GTM engine that lasts. From the shift to capital-efficient growth, to why RevOps is the unsung hero of scaling, to the leadership traits VCs should be hiring for, but so often overlook.

    Whether you’re a founder, CRO, or investor, you’ll walk away from this conversation with practical strategies to help you scale sustainably and avoid the most expensive mistakes. 

     

    Episode Chapters:

    01:30 - James’ unconventional path to multiple exits

    05:30 - How GTM has changed: the shift from growth at all costs to sustainable growth

    08:40 -  The 3 biggest mistakes founders make when building GTM teams

    14:30 - Why RevOps is the ultimate GTM alignment tool (and when to hire them)

    19:40 - Finding the right fit: fractional vs full-time RevOps teams 

    22:30 - The underrated traits of top GTM leaders in 2025

    29:30 - Leadership stage-fit: the danger of hiring for tomorrow’s problems instead of today’s

    35:20 - The number 1 skill every commercial leader must have (hint: it’s not closing deals)

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    38 min
  • When it’s time to step down: Robert Newry’s transition from CEO to Chief Explorer at Arctic Shores

    Too many founders stay in the CEO seat for too long. Often to the detriment of their company, their teams and themselves. 

    It’s not about giving up. It’s about knowing when you are no longer the best person to lead the business into its next chapter. 

    One example of a founder who knew the time was right and made that leap with clarity and intention is today’s Making The Grade guest, Robert Newry. 

    After 11 years as CEO of Arctic Shores, Robert chose to step aside and take on a brand new role as Chief Explorer, allowing him to focus on the things that energise him most: thought leadership, customer evangelism and rethinking how we assess human potential. 

    In this conversation, we explore what it really takes to scale a venture-backed company sustainably, and why sometimes the boldest thing a Founder can do is to let go. 

    Whether you’re a founder thinking about what’s next for you, or you’re currently going through the trenches, fundraising, this episode is packed with lessons on resilience, reinvention and scaling wisely. 

     

    Episode Chapters:

    01:30 - Robert’s early failures and family roots in entrepreneurship

    03:50 - Learning from failure: Hong Kong’s startup mindset

    05:30 - The origin story behind Arctic Shores

    08:10 - Rethinking psychometrics: uncovering potential beyond the CV

    13:00 - Designing AI-resilient hiring tools in the age of ChatGPT

    18:00 - Why stepping down as CEO wasn’t a failure — but a growth move

    21:00 - Creating the role of Chief Explorer & transitioning out of CEO

    36:00 - What founders need to stop doing when they raise capital

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    42 min
  • Not a Unicorn? Not a problem. Eyal Malinger & Oren Peleg on building a VC alternative

    While VC news often dominates the headlines, more often than not, the VC route isn’t the best fit for a business. 

    So, what do you do if venture capital isn’t the right path for your start-up?

    In today’s Making The Grade episode, we’re unpacking the evolving world of start-up funding and why VC might not be the best fit for every founder or business. 

    To help us do that, we’re joined by Eyal Malinger and Oren Peleg, the co-founders of Resurge Growth Partners - a new kind of investment firm pioneering a model they call venture equity, blending the best of venture capital and private equity to better serve ambitious, capital-efficient founders. 

    From investor dynamics and growth expectations to exit strategies and go-to-market missteps, we’ll be challenging the traditional narrative and exploring what alternative paths to scale could look like in 2025 and beyond. 


    Episode Chapters: 

    01:30 - From PE & Consulting to building a new investment model

    03:30 - The gap between VC expectations and real-world business performance  

    05:10 - Introducing Venture Equity & the huge opportunity it presents 

    10:30 - Funding beyond VC & the silent deal killers 

    18:10 - Lazy marketing, broken models & other founder mistakes 

    21:30 - The metrics that really matter 

    30:00 - What it takes to be a successful early-stage founder & what’s really at stake 

    34:15 - Where to start if you want a successful exit in 2025 

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    40 min
  • Building for a Smart Exit - Scaling Lessons from Serial Entrepreneur Justin Fitzpatrick

    What does it really take to graduate from seed to exit in today’s start-up climate?

    In our first episode of our Making the Grade Podcast, we’re joined by serial founder and currently CEO of ESG Book, Justin Fitzpatrick, to unpack the real story behind startup growth. 

    From the messy pivots, M&A strategies, co-founder dynamics, and what it really looks like when you fall off the VC track, Justin shares his first-hand experience of growing and exiting multiple businesses, and leaves us with plenty of practical advice to help you scale more wisely.


    Episode Chapters: 

    02:04 - Justin’s career journey as a serial entrepreneur 

    04:55 - From scaling pains to pivoting and product-market-fit reality checks 

    09:42 -  Finding the right co-founder 

    15:15 - Why poor win rates aren’t always a sales problem 

    17:34 - Building resilience as a CEO 

    21:41 - M&A lessons from the trenches & what makes an acquisition work 

    28:40 - Falling off the VC Track & finding alternatives 

    31:42 -  What founders actually need to graduate to the next round 

    33:54 - Why sustainable growth is smarter growth

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    36 min
  • Making The Grade Season Trailer

    Investors typically expect 8 out of 10 of the businesses they invest in to fail.

    Less than 1 in 100 start-ups manage to achieve funding beyond Series D or an exit.

    These humbling stats often leave founders less than optimistic. 😩

    So, how can building a successful business feel less like an uphill battle?

    And how can you scale a business with actual options to exit in 2025, and beyond?

    💥 To help us get answers to all of the above questions, and more, we’re excited to share the upcoming launch of our brand new podcast: Making The Grade.

    Every Thursday, you’ll be able to tune in and hear first-hand experiences from Founders, Investors and senior Go-To-Market Leaders as we explore the factors driving the decline in graduation rates.

    But we won’t just be discussing the obvious problems at hand.

    You’ll be leaving every episode with actionable insights, expert advice and hopefully, feeling a little bit more optimistic about thriving in a competitive market and scaling more wisely.

    Our first episode will launch next Thursday, July 31st. But until then, make sure you tune into our season trailer to get a preview of some of the fascinating conversations we had.

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    7 min

About Making The Grade

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Less than 1 in 100 Startups manage to achieve funding beyond Series D or an exit.