Jill and Jeff are joined by Jennifer Johnson and Carl Hickerson of Trestle, an e-commerce company that helps consumers support businesses with missions and values that match their own. Topics include how hard it really is to start a business, going to couples therapy before problems arise and how they met – hint: swipe right.

Jill and Jeff are joined by Talie and Scott Smith of Smith + Connors, a strategic brand agency that positions organizations for growth. Topics include roles, the pandemic (duh) and stepping out of a shower and “all of the sudden, you’re in a meeting.” Seriously.