Summary

Have you ever been lost? Not turned around in the woods, though Joseph has a story about that too, but lost in your own life. Joseph Pietrocini is 26 and running three companies at once, and he has spent his whole life navigating toward a vision most people never let themselves name. Mike sits down with a friend he has coached since the eighth grade to unpack what it takes to move when the map runs out: deciding by direction instead of destination, why ideas are worthless without execution, and how to build something that matters without doing it alone. The twist is that being lost has almost nothing to do with not knowing where you are.

About Joseph Pietrocini

Strategic · Competition · Ideation · Futuristic · Positivity

From starting a lawn care business in middle school to building a marketing agency in college, and now starting RECREATE Work with his father and WealthReach with his business partners, Joseph loves to build businesses that have the ability to impact people at scale.

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Takeaways

● Not knowing where you are and being lost are two different things. The panic shows up only when you don't know where you are and where you're going at the same time.

● You don't have to know where you are to move. You need peace about where you're going.

● Navigate by direction, not destination. You don't have to choose San Diego over Miami to agree it's time to head south.

● Ideas are cheap. What separates people is execution, the willingness to actually do the thing.

● Trying to do a thing and doing it look nothing alike. Not sitting in the chair looks exactly like trying to sit in the chair.

● Information by itself changes nothing. Every packaged food has a nutrition label and we're heavier than ever.

● The people around you set the ceiling on who you become. Change the community and you change the behavior.

● You can't predict the future, and anyone who claims they can is worth ignoring. All you know is that it will be different.

● Certainty and control are an illusion. In the fog, reach for curiosity instead of fear.

● The barrier to starting has never been lower. The only wrong move is refusing to take one.

Soundbites

● "Lost is a state of mind and a choice."

● "You don't have to know where you are, but you can have peace in knowing where you're going."

● "Anybody can have the idea, what differentiates ideas is how you execute on it."

● "Information is not transformation, which is why AI data is not going to transform real fact."

● "Not sitting in the chair looks exactly like trying to sit in the chair."

● "Certainty and control is an illusion."

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Summary

Destry Wardle has spent nearly two decades helping people go backward before they can moveforward. Today she's turning that lens on the man across the table from her. Mike sits down with his longtime coach, collaborator, and self-described “sister voice in my head” to unpack why healing isn't a straight line, why thetools that kept you alive as a kid can quietly sabotage you as an adult, and why he's more willing than usual to turn the mirror on himself.

About Destry Wardle

Connectedness Communication Arranger Analytical Harmony

Destry Wardle is a therapeutic and performance coach and Chief of Staff at The Dauphinee Group. Before stepping into coaching, she trained as a therapist and holds an MA in Clinical Pastoral Counseling from Ashland Theological Seminary. Fornearly two decades, she has served with Healing Care Ministries, where she directs the Come Away with Me Retreats and has facilitated more than 50 multi-day group retreats. She lives outside Boulder, Colorado.

Takeaways

●       Therapy is the journey backward: witnessingold ruptures and ungrieved losses. Coaching is the journey forward: turningthat awareness into partnership and accountability. Neither replaces the other.

●       The behaviors that helped you survive yourstory often become the very things working against you in your present.

●       Sometimes the mind goes blank exactly wherethe unprocessed work is waiting. You can't explain a block you haven't namedyet.

●       Survival tools are custom-built for onespecific environment. What kept you safe as a kid won't necessarily keep yousafe now.

●       You can't skip the emotional work to shortcutyour way to healing. You have to feel it to heal it.

●       Feelings buried alive don't die. They come outsideways, in your relationships and in your work.

●       None of us were formed in isolation, and noneof us heal in isolation either.

●       Every strength brings something and needssomething. An unmet need doesn't disappear. It multiplies pressure on the restof who you are.

●       Under threat, most people default to one ofthree roles: fixing everyone else's feelings, blaming someone, or collapsinginto helplessness.

●       The goal was never perfection. It's gettingcurious about your story instead of judging it.

Soundbites

●       “None of us were formed away from people.”

●       “We want to heal ourselves by ourselves.”

●       “We have to feel to heal.”

●       “Feelings buried alive never die.”

●       “Healthy people ask for what they want.”

●       “I'm not the only one who's sitting with thatstory inside of me that's so terrified to have it exposed.”

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Summary

Katie Kennedy is seven years old, hand raised in art class, waiting for her teacher to just tell her what to do next. Twenty years later, she's a senior manager at Twin Cities agency OVATIVE Group, and she's still catching herself waiting for someone else to hand her the next step. Mike sits down with his longtime friend to unpack why people-pleasing might be the most manipulative habit you don't know you have, what happens when your definition of growth quietly expires, and why the confidence you're chasing isn't something you conjure, it's something you remember.

About Katie Kennedy

Developer · Positivity · Empathy · Connectedness · Achiever

Katie Kennedy is a Senior Manager on the Client Services team at Ovative Group, where she helps clients navigate complex marketing challenges with thoughtful strategy, strong partnerships, and storytelling. At her core, she loves people and believes the right words can bring them together. When she’s not working, you’ll find her reading, running, discovering new restaurants, or happily dilly-dallying in a cute local shop. Driven by curiosity and empathy, Katie loves conversations that leave people feeling inspired—and a little more understood.

More about Katie:Website: katiekennedy.me

Instagram: @kathalatha

Takeaways

• Confidence isn't conjured, it's remembered, you build it by recalling the evidence, not manufacturing new proof every time you need it.
• People-pleasing isn't kindness, it's control, it's an attempt to manage someone else's reaction to protect your own sense of worth.
• We reach for control when we feel fear and reach for curiosity when we move toward love.
• Growth stops feeling good the moment your definition of "growth" quietly goes out of date.
• The higher you climb, the less applause you get for showing up well, most of the growth that matters now happens without an audience.
• Trade-offs stay invisible until you decide something is worth more than someone else's approval.
• A career doesn't need to be your calling to be meaningful, sometimes the vehicle matters more than the destination.
• Best friends at work aren't a soft perk. They're tied directly to retention, productivity, and profitability.
• Connection only makes sense in hindsight, you're not supposed to see the pattern while you're still inside it.
• Critical thinking, not the AI tool itself, decides whether it actually helps you or just moves you faster in the wrong direction.

Soundbites

• "We reach for control when we feel fear. We reach for curiosity when we move towards love."
• "Confidence is remembered, not conjured."
• "People pleasing is the most manipulative way to live your life."
• "The illusion of control is what's like giving me gray hair."
• "Critical thinking is the most valuable skill in the world right now."
• "Connection is backwards, not forwards."

• Facing Codependence by Pia Mellody
• The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
• Joanna Gaines' story (her path from working in her dad's auto parts store to building her own brand)
• Helen Keller's account of learning language from her teacher
• Gallup research on workplace well-being, team leadership impact, and friendship at work

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Summary

In this episode, Mike Dauphinee sits down with Serena Tillman, licensed master social worker, certified personal trainer, Pilates instructor, and founder of a women's community group called Esther's Daughters, for one of the most honest conversations of the season. Mike and Serena have known each other for 28 years. That history shows. This isn't a polished success story. It's a real look at what it means to navigate marriage, motherhood, career pivots, and identity — all at once, without a map, and with everyone around you having a very loud opinion about what you should do. Serena talks about learning to turn down the volume on other people's voices and turn up her own. About the moment she quit her first job out of Columbia before she'd been there six months, and what it cost her to make that call. About postpartum isolation during a pandemic, a premature baby born during a planned absence, and what it actually looks like to build a village before you need one. And about the one thing she'd tell anyone standing at the start of a decade they can't yet imagine.

About Serena Tillman

Discipline · Harmony · Empathy · Maximizer · ConsistencySerena Tillman is a Nike Trainer, Lagree and Treadmill instructor, nonprofit founder, and self-described "COO of the Tillman Family." She is the founder of Esther's Daughters, a women's community organization rooted in faith, fellowship, and purposeful living. Serena approaches everything from household management to personal wellness with intentional, systems-driven thinking, and is passionate about helping women build lives of integrity, impact, and illumination. Based in Montclair, NJ, she brings energy, clarity, and heart to every conversation.

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Takeaways

• The voices don't go away when you make a confident decision. You just get better at turning down the volume.
• Navigating alone still requires community. The compass is yours — but you need people to help you read it.
• Healthy people ask for what they want. Asking isn't weakness. Waiting in silence is.
• Do it scared. The courage isn't the absence of fear — it's moving anyway.
• Not everyone gets access to your zone four. Be intentional about who does — and invest in them the way you want them to invest in you.
• It is not one size fits all. The deviation from someone else's path isn't failure. It's yours.
• The plan B you build before crisis is what keeps you standing when crisis arrives.
• You don't need to see the finish line. One foot in front of the other is enough.
• Build your village early, before you need it. You can't draft people in an emergency.
• Maximizer never quite feels like enough. The growth is learning that the drive doesn't have to be answered every time.

Soundbites

• "You have to intentionally turn down the volume of the voice that's saying, what will they think? And turn up the voice that says, I've made good decisions before."
• "It is not one size fits all. And you need to be okay with the size that fits you."
• "Do it scared. You just have to. My heart rate, my pits, you just have to do it."
• "Healthy people ask for what they want."
• "Not everybody needs an explanation as to why we do what we do."
• "No is a complete sentence."

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Summary

In this episode, Mike Dauphinee sits down with Barbara Macnish, Gallup-certified strengths coach, founder of TriQuester Teams, and one of the first coaches to join The Dauphinee Group, for a conversation about what it means to navigate without a map. They go back nearly 20 years, to a strengths session in Portugal that changed Barbara's career before she even knew she wanted to be a coach. This conversation covers what it takes to choose a person over a plan, how a season of real hardship taught her to trust her own resilience, and why the best coaching has nothing to do with having answers. They also dig into what makes CliftonStrengths different, why tactics always expire, and what happens when you stop treating life like a math problem with a right answer.About Barbara MacnishConnectedness · Communication · Developer · Empathy · IndividualizationBarbara Macnish founded Triquester Teams in 2013 so that she could offer her coaching skills to individuals and teams, releasing their potential and enabling them to perform at their best. She uses assessments such as the Clifton StrengthsFinderTM and the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator and to help her clients grow in their understanding of who they are as individuals and in their contexts at work and at home. When team coaching, she identifies issues in the structure and composition of teams in order to enable the team to find creative solutions to the challenges they face. She was team leader of the European Team-training Group at Christian Associates International, a church planting and social action organization based in the USA and Europe, between 2010 and 2015. Her role included recruiting, training and organizing team builders to train leaders across Europe in inter-personal communication, shared vision, values and protocols within their teams. She is a qualified mediator and delivers training and coaching in dealing with conflict. Barbara taught in an inner city school in Baltimore, USA; was Office Manager for the executive office of World Relief in Baltimore; and delivers leadership and management training for Azesta LTD in the UK. She has been a part of The Dauphnee Group since 2022 working with leaders and managers in the financial sector. Mother of two, she paints and sells her art, and organizes community art projects.TakeawaysThe biggest decisions don't have right or wrong answers , they have trade-offs. Start by naming what you're willing to pay.Choosing a person over a plan is not abandoning your values. Sometimes it is the most authentic expression of them.Tactics have an expiration date. If the strategy isn't working, adding more tactics won't save it.You can have strengths and not be using them. Resource and application are two different things.The healthiest version of you has been shaped by others. You can't see yourself clearly without people who mirror you well.CliftonStrengths doesn't just describe you. It gives you language to name things you've been dismissing as nothing.Resilience isn't a trait you either have or don't. It's something you learn to trust, usually through the things you didn't think you'd survive.Being available to someone else's story is not a distraction from your struggles. For some wiring, it's exactly what refuels you.Soundbites"There isn't a right or wrong. You're not ditching all that is meaningful to you if you choose this relationship.""The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right name.""Self-esteem in a bottle. That's what CliftonStrengths can be.""In moments when only you can choose, the healthiest you has been shaped by others.""Being available to someone else's story always seems to help."Enjoyed this episode? Subscribe to Maps Are Dead with Mike D on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube.⁠Join The Fit Forum⁠Mike's free CliftonStrengths community — bring your Top 5 and find your people.

Summary

In this episode, Mike Dauphinee sits down with Sarah Hassaine — global inclusion and diversity leader, TEDx speaker, and founder of Effective Immediately, for a conversation about what it actually takes to build cultures that work, and why the most human problems require the most disciplined strategy. Sarah has spent a decade doing the work that most companies rush to label and few actually understand: designing systems of belonging, trust, and psychological safety inside organizations that often don't know what they're asking for. She's done it at Qualcomm. At ResMed. In refugee camps. In Riyadh. And she's done it while quietly burning out, until a closed-door session at a conference lifted the veil and reminded her that even the person holding everyone else together needs a community. This is a conversation about the difference between passion and strategy, about why DEI failed when it forgot to be rigorous, about what AI is doing to our courage and our critical thinking, and about what it actually means to define what good looks like before you try to build it.

About Sarah Hassaine

Woo · Responsibility · Input · Strategic · Analytical

Sarah Hassaine is an AI-Culture Business Strategist, helping small companies and nonprofits with their growth strategy, organization, and people management and development. She has built a strong and influential career in high-tech leading culture change and in non-profits sitting on boards providing a strategic business lens. Sarah works at the intersection of tech, people and social impact and values access and enablement for all. She is a public speaker, writer, and professional development trainer. Sarah has her MBA from Wharton and MPP from George Washington University. Check out her Ted Talk and learn more about her company here

Takeaways

• Passion without strategy is how DEI failed. If you don't know how to measure it, you can't build it.
• Culture eats strategy for breakfast, but culture still has to be designed, not just felt.
• The label hurt the work. When inclusion became a category, it stopped being embedded and started being performed.
• You can't fill anyone else's cup if yours is empty. Responsibility without self-care is just slow burnout.
• We are designed for community. Finding people who do similar work in similar directions is not networking, it's survival.
• A value is non-negotiable. A preference isn't. Most companies can't tell the difference, and it costs them.
• Nobody goes to the hardware store for a drill. They go for a hole. Know the outcome before you design the tool.
• AI is not replacing our workload. It's atrophying our ability to think critically and make courageous decisions.
• You don't know what you don't need to de-risk until something breaks. The best time to ask is before it does.
• Define what good looks like first. Everything else, strategy, measurement, iteration, follows from that.

Soundbites

• "You will fail if it's about passion. You have to have a strategic lens."
• "There's only 24 hours in a day and one Sarah. The responsibility part was hard."
• "We are designed for community. We're not designed not to have it."
• "Culture each strategy for breakfast. And if people don't trust each other, you will not build anything that goes strong."
• "Companies had values splattered on walls. Very few actually lived by them."
• "I find it hard when no one wants to take responsibility if things go wrong. All right, I didn't do well, but I learned."

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Summary

In this episode, Mike Dauphinee sits down with Kirsten Hogan, Chief Retail Officer at Dr. Squatch, for a conversation about what it actually takes to reclaim your story, and build a career you genuinely love. Kirsten grew up in a town of 900 people in northern Maine, made a deliberate choice to point herself somewhere different, and never stopped making deliberate choices after that. She spent 19 years at UNFI, ran her own consultancy, then built Dr. Squatch's retail business from the ground up before a single bar of soap hit a store shelf. But this conversation isn't really about the numbers. It's about the moment she looked up and realized she had lost control of her message and her joy, and what she did about it.

About Kirsten Hogan (Responsibility · Arranger · Activator · Belief · Restorative)

Kirsten Hogan is the Chief Retail Officer at Dr. Squatch, where she leads all sales and retail strategy. Over the past five years, she has driven profitable retail growth from the ground up, building the initial roadmap with her team and scaling through the brand's acquisition by Unilever. She is a collaborative leader with a strong moral compass and an infectious energy that drives her team forward.

Takeaways

• Joy is a navigational instrument. If you can no longer feel it, you are already off course.
• Knowing what you won't do is often more useful than knowing what you want. Start there.
• Responsibility will carry whatever weight you give it. Learning to set it down is its own kind of strength.
• Being vulnerable in a room that's actually safe — and recognizing the difference — is a skill that takes practice.
• The people around you shape where you go more than the titles do. Choose accordingly.
• Belief is an anchor and an engine. It tells you the future is wide open and holds you steady while you find it.
• You can say yes to everything and build a great career. But at some point, you have to decide which yes is yours.
• Scrappiness can't be taught. Everything else can. Hire for the thing you can't build.
• The transition out of a job matters as much as the move in. Most people change without actually leaving.
• Set the end at the beginning. Name your non-negotiables before someone else fills in the blanks.

Soundbites

• "I knew deep down that wasn't for me, but I knew if I stayed, that was probably what I would do."
• "Responsibility is not given. It is taken."
• "I've lost control of my message and my joy. And I can't allow the company to just keep moving me around where they want me if that's not where I want to be."
• "You can teach someone how to sell soap. You can't teach scrappiness."
• "I still don't know what I want to do in 10 years. But I definitely know what I don't want to do."
• "Just because circumstances change doesn't mean the foundation has to crack."

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Summary

In this episode, Mike Dauphinee sits down with Amol Dhargalkar — Chairman and Senior Managing Director at Chatham Financial, for a conversation that challenges one of the most common assumptions in modern career culture: that staying is settling. Amol has spent 25 years at a single firm, growing from its youngest undergraduate hire to Chairman of the Board. Not because he had no other options, but because he kept asking the same three questions, am I growing, am I with people I care about, am I making an impact? — and kept getting the same answer. This is a conversation about what it means to navigate with clarity in a world full of noise, to lead with humanity in an industry built on numbers, and to be the same person in every room you walk into. It's also about what happens when you overhear something that was never meant for your ears, and let it sharpen your compass instead of shake it.

About Amol Dhargalkar (Developer · Positivity · Arranger · Learner · Empathy)

Amol Dhargalkar is Chairman and Senior Managing Director, Corporate Development at Chatham Financial, advising clients on debt and derivatives capital markets strategies while helping drive the firm's strategic initiatives. He has spent 25 years at one of the world's leading financial risk advisory firms, growing from its youngest undergraduate hire to its Chairman of the Board. Amol holds a degree in Chemical Engineering and Economics from Penn State and an MBA from Wharton. He has been featured on Bloomberg, BBC, and Squawk Box, and is known as one of the most relational voices in a traditionally analytical industry.

Takeaways

• Staying is a navigation decision. Loyalty isn't the absence of ambition, it can be the boldest expression of it.
• Growth is the compass. When you stop growing, the map stops working.
• Meaning carries more weight than money. The people who dig deepest are the ones who feel it.
• Being the same person in every room is not just good character, it's the lowest-tax way to live.
• You can't control how people interpret you. You can control who you are when they do.
• The relational leader isn't the soft one. They're the one with the best information.
• In the age of AI, the days of being a brilliant jerk are over. Humanity is the premium.
• Developer's North Star isn't a destination — it's a posture. Commit to growing, not to being one thing.
• Everyone is the hero of their own story. That frees you to just be yours.
• The sacrifices of those who came before you don't have to hang over you — they can light the way.

Soundbites

• "As long as I felt like I was growing and doing different things with people I care about — I have wanted to stay."
• "Meaning carries so much more weight. People who have that sense of meaning, they dive in and dig in really deep."
• "It's a lot easier to be the same person no matter where you are than to be someone different in different situations."
• "Everyone is the hero of their own story. So may as well be who you are."
• "In the days of AI, the days of being a really, really smart, best-in-class, intelligent a-hole are over."

Referenced in this episode

• Gallup's State of the Global Workplace research
• Gallup's Five Areas of Wellbeing framework
• Mike's first published academic white paper on CliftonStrengths distribution in athletes

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Summary

In this powerful season two opener, Mike Dauphinee sits down with mental performance coach Johan Martinez to explore what it really means to build an internal compass, not as a concept, but as a lived practice forged through real adversity. From navigating the streets of inner-city Chicago as a child, to coaching championship-level athletes and high-performing executives, Johan unpacks the hidden cost of performance-based identity, the truth about addiction most people never recognize in themselves, and why the greatest breakthroughs in coaching happen not when you fix someone but when you hold space for them to fix themselves. Together, they challenge the idea that high performance is about doing more — and make the case that presence, not performance, is where real growth lives. This isn't just about sport or coaching. It's about who you become when you stop chasing results and start trusting the compass inside of you.

About Johan Martinez (Communication · Ideation · Strategic · Woo · Restorative)

Johan Martinez-Khalilian is a high-performance mindset coach and speaker who works with elite athletes, executives, and organizations to unlock clarity, resilience, and sustained peak performance. As the founder and CEO of DVLPMENT.studio, he leads a collective of coaches focused on ontological and transformational coaching. His work spans keynote speaking, private coaching, and leadership development, helping clients expand vision, break limiting patterns, and perform at the highest level.

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Takeaways

• Your internal compass is built through lived experience, not borrowed from someone else's map.
• Knowing who you are — clearly, without flinching — is your greatest protection.
• Belonging is a primary human drive. Finding your people starts with owning what makes you different.
• Leaving comfort isn't abandonment. Sometimes it's the most compass-driven decision you can make.
• We're all addicted to something. The ones the world celebrates are just harder to see.
• Wanting to fix people is its own addiction — and it gets in the way of real coaching.
• The shift from external impact to internal excavation is where transformation actually begins.
• Judgment is the enemy of growth. Curiosity is the door.
• Neutrality is an option — and for most high performers, it's a revelation.
• You are not your results. Results either define you or inform you. That distinction changes everything.

Soundbites

• "I just want to hoop."
• "The person is the curriculum."
• "We want the story of being an adventurer, but we don't want to take an adventure."
• "Results either define you or inform you."
• "The greatest performance of your life comes when you stop performing."

Referenced in this episode

• Breathing Underwater — Richard Rohr
• Mike's first published academic white paper on CliftonStrengths distribution in athletes

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Summary

In the final episode of season one of the Maps are Dead podcast, Mike Dauphinee reflects on the journey of the podcast, the lessons learned, and the concept of navigating life without reliable maps. He emphasizes the importance of self-trust, understanding one's strengths, and the need for a new approach to decision-making in a rapidly changing world. The episode also introduces upcoming plans for the podcast, including a new course titled 'Vision to Decision in 30 Days' and a focus on building community and relationships.

Takeaways

• Maps are dead, or at very least they should be.

• We have to find a new way of navigating.

• The world can't tell you what to do anymore.

• Self-trust is crucial when maps are unreliable.

• CliftonStrengths provides language for understanding ourselves.

• Decision-making is an internal process.

• Building relationships of dependability is essential.

• The future asks us to be fully alive.

• Navigating life requires understanding our values.

• Community support is vital in a changing world.

Sound Bites

• "There's no map to fit."

• "I want to hear more from you."

• "Everything matters and helps."

Chapters

00:00Season One Reflection and Future Plans

02:21The Concept of Maps Are Dead

05:12Navigating Life Without Trustworthy Maps

09:53Cultivating Strengths and Values

15:23Finding Fit in Decision Making