On this episode, Martha is joined by FOX News Contributor, the Chairman and CEO of Stagwell Inc. and Chairman of the Harris Poll, Mark Penn, to discuss the shift in the Republican party over the last 40 years and how former President Trump changed the GOP.

Later, Mark weighs in on Florida Governor Ron DeSantis' prospects of running for President in 2024 and how he has been able to create a favorable image in the voters' eyes.

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