Martha went from studying Latin and Greek to teaching herself software development while raising four kids—no bootcamp, no degree, just free online resources and building in public. Now she and her husband work remotely, travel, and practice "unschooling" with their children.

In Part 1 of this conversation, we dig into what unschooling actually looks like, why interest-based learning creates what Martha calls a "superpower," and why she treats rules with her kids the same way she'd treat rules with a roommate.

Topics covered:

1. Teaching yourself to code vs. formal education (and why she calls it "cheating")
2. The case against education inflation and credential bloat
3. Why "stay adaptable" is the only career advice that matters now
4. Unschooling vs. Montessori vs. traditional homeschooling
5. Respectful parenting: treating kids like roommates, not prisoners
6. Why AI will help kids learn faster—and cheat faster on things they don't care about
7. Structure vs. rules: building internal motivation instead of external compliance

Key ideas:

1. "Aggressive curiosity" and "joyful experimentation" as core values
2. Interest-based learning as superpower—the 5-year-old mushroom expert
3. Why kids only cheat when forced to learn things they don't care about
4. The problem with external structure: military vets who stop working out after discharge

Referenced:

1. Leisure, the Basis of Culture by Josef Pieper
2. The Case Against Education by Bryan Caplan
3. John Holt (founder of unschooling movement)