Do we really need another book on Sondheim? That’s the driving question behind Barry’s recent appearance at the venerable Drama Book Shop in New York City. For the 20th episode of the Matching Minds with Sondheim podcast, explore the book-ey-ness of Matching Minds. Michael Mitnick interviews Barry in front of a live audience where together they discuss the creative challenges and the biographical insights gained during its writing. 

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00:00 Introduction and Podcast Milestones

04:36 Drama Book Show Commentary

05:04 Sondheim's Love for Puzzles

08:19 Barry Joseph's Presentation

12:43 Audience Q&A and Research Insights

26:15 The Last of Sheila: A Real-Life Inspired Murder Mystery

26:42 Sondheim's Custom Puzzle for Games Magazine

28:38 Sondheim's Influence in Glass Onion

30:16 Sondheim's Treasure Hunts and Puzzle Designs

31:36 Sondheim's Cryptic Crosswords Legacy

33:14 The Emotional Impact of Sondheim's Work

36:35 Recreating Sondheim's Games for Research

38:23 Sondheim's Board Games and Auctions

41:03 Sondheim's Influence on Musical Theater

45:47 Final Reflections and Audience Questions

Special Links:

Colm Molloy

Ann Morrison

Mateo Chavez Lewis

Sondheim's 2002 Into the Wood opening night jigsaw puzzle

The Bookworm Sculpture at the Drama Book Shop

Matching Minds: The Exhibit

The Drama Book Show Podcast

Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Of course, I'd also like to thank the staff of the Drama Book Shop.

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Join the audience at the Museum of the City of New York as Joseph guides them on a tour of How Stephen Sondheim Gamified New York City. The talk explores the unique ways Sondheim incorporated the city into his games and puzzles. Through various anecdotes and historical references, Joseph highlights Sondheim's creative process, from his early board games to intricate treasure hunts and escape rooms. The presentation is enriched with clips from Sondheim's musicals, showcasing how his playful lens extended beyond the stage and into the real-world geography and culture of New York City. The episode emphasizes Sondheim's dual passion for theater and games, inviting the audience to experience New York City anew as an interactive playground.

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00:00 Introduction and Presentation Setup

02:26 Welcome to the Museum of the City of New York

03:15 Barry Joseph's Introduction

04:14 Sondheim's New York City Musicals

09:11 Sondheim's Treasure Hunts

12:29 Sondheim's Board Game for Hal Prince

15:32 A Little Night Music Treasure Hunt

17:26 Sondheim's Escape Room Experience

23:24 Sondheim's Cryptic Puzzles

27:57 Jurassic Treasure Hunt at the Museum of Natural History

29:11 Stephen Sondheim's Treasure Hunt Adventure

29:40 Exploring Iconic New York Locations

30:17 Challenges and Decisions in the Library

31:01 Natural History Museum: The Perfect Venue

31:27 Designing the Dinosaur Hall Puzzle

34:29 The Star-Studded Event

35:39 The Murder Game: A Meta-Puzzle

38:05 Sondheim's Puzzle Legacy

41:36 Q&A: Uncovering Sondheim's Hidden Treasures

Special Links:

Colm Molloy

Ann Morrison

Mateo Chavez Lewis

Museum of the City of New York

Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Ann Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Of course, I'd also like to thank Nick Martinez and the whole crew at MCNY.

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From an interview with Donald Feltham on his Broadway Radio Show, join Barry on his journey writing a book on Stephen Sondheim's love for puzzles and games, spurred by birthday gifts from his wife. Barry shares how interviewing over 120 people, many of whom were Sondheim's friends and game enthusiasts, helped paint a comprehensive picture of this multifaceted Broadway legend. The episode concludes with a plug for Barry's book and podcast, encouraging listeners to explore these resources for a deeper understanding of Sondheim's playful genius.

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00:00 Introduction to the Episode

01:34 Donald Feltham's Broadway Radio Show

02:29 Discussing the Book: Matching Minds with Sondheim

03:06 Barry Joseph's Background and Inspiration

03:21 The Influence of Stephen Sondheim

04:43 The Genesis of the Book

05:13 Exploring Sondheim's Life and Work

10:48 The Ludological Lens

11:21 Structure of the Book

16:43 Sondheim's Playful Side

18:11 Research and Interviews

23:16 Sondheim's Treasure Hunts

26:51 Engaging Everyone at the Party

27:04 The 2013 Treasure Hunt

29:02 Recreating the Treasure Hunt Over Zoom

31:37 The Famous Murder Game

38:36 The Last of Sheila: From Game to Movie

43:57 Sondheim's Challenging Jigsaw Puzzles

48:32 Conclusion and Podcast Invitation

Special Links:

Colm Molloy

Ann Morrison

Mateo Chavez Lewis

The Broadway Radio Show with Donald Feltham

Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Of course, I'd also like to thank Donald Feltham both for interviewing me and letting me rebroadcast our interview.

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Steve is Love: Merrily We Play Along

Celebrate the upcoming cinematic release of Broadway’s Merrily We Roll Along with this special episode, including an interview with Maria Friedman, the show’s innovative director. Maria shares insights into Sondheim's work, his love for puzzles and games, and how her production managed to solve the notoriously challenging musical. The episode also includes reflections on the autobiographical nature of Sondheim's writing, the role of games like Hostilities in his life and work, and excerpts from the upcoming proshot film release of Merrily We Roll Along.

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00:00 Cold Open

00:14 Barry's post-theme opening

05:24 Trailer for Proshot of Merrily

07:03 Barry Interstitial

08:25 Maria Friedman interview: Part 1

15:21 Barry Interstitial

18:56 Excerpt from Podcast 1 analyzing Merrily

25:47 Barry Interstitial

26:04 Maria Friedman interview: Part 2

36:09 Barry's final interstitial

Special Links:

Colm Molloy

Ann Morrison

Mateo Chavez Lewis

Merrily We Roll Along (movie)

Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode: the Musical Stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, our line producer Dennis Caouki, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy and sung by the one only Anne Morrison, currently on the road starring in Kimberly Akimbo. Of course, I'd also like to thank Maria Friedman and the full PR team that made her accessible for my interview.

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Let me give you more to hear! A bonus episode. Revisit my interview with Richard Schoch, author of How Sondheim Can Change Your Life, exploring how Sondheim's works and different analytical lenses bring out varied interpretations. Dig deeper into the promotional jigsaw puzzles for the The Last of Sheila. Listen to anecdotes from my experience with the first-ever alternative reality game, The Beast. We’ll end with reflections on publishing a new book, sharing poignant advice for aspiring authors from Richard Schoch, and highlighting how the release of my book has resonated with readers and fans alike.

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00:00 The GIve Us More episode (Podcast)

01:57 1. Richard Schock and Anyone Can Whistle

07:53 2. The Last of Sheila's Promotional Jigsaw Puzzles

33:05 5. Richard Schoch, Puzzle Boxes, and Advice to Authors with Upcoming Books

47:37 7. Broadway Radio Show Recommendation

48:14 8. Katz JCC Q&A

Special Links:

Colm Molloy

Ann Morrison

Mateo Chavez Lewis

Reality Escape Pod

Richard Schoch

The Last of Sheila production short

Bernie De Koven’s The Well-Played Game

Matthew Farber and Tracy Fullerton’s The Well-Read Game

The Grammar Girl Podcast

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You are formally invited to my Sondheim game night party, already underway. Join previous guests David Spira, Kellian Adams, and James McCusker as we tackle and explore Sondheim's intricate world of parlor games, such as Running Charades, The Listening Game, Bartletts, Camouflage, Hostilities, and The Murder Game. Discussions touch on game history, clever designs, and the emotional nuances Sondheim orchestrated. Learn why Kellian calls Sondheim an “Ace Human Hacker” and why this is my favorite episode to date! 

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00:00 Introduction to Matching Minds with Sondheim

00:57 Welcome to the Halloween Party

02:06 First Guests Arrive

04:58 Discussing Parlor Games

08:33 Exploring the Listening Game

14:23 Running Charades: Sondheim's Twist

18:26 Playing Bartletts: A Creative Challenge

27:23 Camouflage: Hidden in Plain Sight

33:57 Introducing the Game 'Hostilities'

34:38 Rules and Mechanics of 'Hostilities'

38:05 Reflecting on the Brutality of 'Hostilities'

47:11 Exploring the Murder Game

58:00 Sondheim's Approach to Game Design

01:03:24 Closing Thoughts and Reflections

Special Links:

Colm Molloy

Ann Morrison

Mateo Chavez Lewis

Club Drosselmeyer

Melissa Errico Sondheim In the City

The American Girl's Handy Book

Stephen Schiff 

Richard Maltby, Jr.

Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along.  And please welcome our new line producer, Dennis Caouki.

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Please join me as we revisit my guest spots on Hello Puzzler, a delightful podcast hosted by AJ Jacobs and his Chief puzzle Officer, Greg Pliska. Each week, they have a celebrity guest who appears across three episodes, and they then toss puzzles at them like peanuts to an elephant. However, to me it was more like knives to a juggler who can't juggle. I tried. Really, I tried. So today you can listen to my second and third appearance. In the first one, Greg challenged me with an inventive and hilarious Sondheim theme puzzle. I'll let him explain how it works. But all you who know the names of Sondheim songs will especially enjoy playing from home. Then in my final appearance, I get to relax and turn the tables on them. I found a number of Sondheim's own puzzles from crosswords and treasure hunts, and challenged both AJ and Greg to try and solve them. Give it a shot at home and see if you do a better job than they did at… matching minds with Sondheim.

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00:00 Introduction to the Puzzle Concept

05:07 Introducing Steven Sandheim

05:26 The Twist: One Letter Changes Everything

05:40 Example: West Side Stork

06:06 Explaining the Puzzle Format

06:13 First Puzzle Challenge

Special Links:

Colm Molloy

Ann Morrison

Mateo Chavez Lewis

The Wonderful World of Words Weekend

The Hello Puzzler Podcast

Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along.

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What. An. Episode! This one focuses on Stephen Sondheim's relationship with video games... sort of. This episode is hard to describe. The audio from today comes from a podcast I was a guest on by Dennis Hensley called Dennis Anyone? So is this just a re-podcast? Well, no. This is my own edit of that episode. See, this is what happened: Dennis invited me onto his podcast, then about an hour in his friend joined us. His name is also Dennis. So this episode could be called A Tale of Two Dennis. Let's call him Dennis 2. It turns out Dennis 2 was friends with Sondheim for around 35 years playing digital games with him. In fact, Sondheim would fly Dennis 2 out from LA just for weekend marathon play sessions of games like Myst and Oxyd. The thing is, Dennis 2 had never spoken publicly about his relationship with Sondheim. Even when Sondheim sent his biographer Meryle Secrest in the nineties to interview him. He never spoke about his relationship with Sondheim until this podcast episode, and it was pretty remarkable. Dennis 1 invited me to be both guest and host, so I got to interview Dennis 2 as well. As you know, my book is based on conversations with and information from over 120 people. But other than John Weidman, no one else spoke with me about playing digital games with Sondheim and how it framed their relationship. And no one shared photos with me. Until Dennis 2. It has been quite a trip! so please join me as we revisit it  together.

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00:00 The Mysterious Invitation

00:43 Introduction to the Episode

01:21 A Tale of Two Dennis

01:32 Sondheim's Gaming Obsession

12:22 The Myst Experience

28:24 Sondheim's Humble Beginnings

30:10 The Last of Sheila: A Lifelong Bond

32:14 Games and Mentorship

35:49 Creative Criticism and Friendship

38:49 The Doctor is Out: A Critical Review

40:55 Sondheim's Puzzle Legacy

45:09 Reflections and Final Thoughts

Special Links:

Colm Molloy

Ann Morrison

Mateo Chavez Lewis

"Dennis Anyone?" podcast

Video of Oxyd in Sondheim’s issue of Games Magazine: https://youtube.com/shorts/A-fnPWuzU0U?feature=share
Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along. And SPECIAL thanks to both Dennis Osborne and Dennis Hensley!

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In this special event at the New York Public Library for Performing Arts, Barry Joseph launches his new book, Matching Minds with Sondheim. The session dives into Stephen Sondheim's intricate world of puzzles and games, enriched by anecdotes from Joseph's extensive research, emphasizing the roles of research institutions in the development of the project. Attendees participate in an interactive game inspired by Sondheim, and hear from guest speakers including Richard Maltby Jr. (director and producer, lyricist, and screenwriter) and Daria Begley (writer for The Sondheim Society). Joseph shares insights into Sondheim's creative process, his love for puzzles, and his method of creating clarity and connection through games, offering a unique perspective on the Broadway legend.

This event was recorded at The New York Public Library for the Performing Arts. All rights reserved.

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00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:15 Introducing Barry Joseph and His Book

02:11 Acknowledgements and Special Thanks

03:00 Interactive Audience Participation

04:04 Honoring Those Who Contributed

05:37 Exploring Sondheim's Puzzles and Games

09:24 Sondheim's Unique Card Game

12:47 Sondheim's Board Games for Bernstein

19:30 Playing Sondheim's Murder Game

22:08 Insights from Richard Malty Jr.

29:17 Sondheim's Jurassic Treasure Hunt

32:07 Daria Begley's Winning Experience

36:10 Sondheim's Puzzle Philosophy

37:25 Book Release and Q&A

Special Links:

Colm Molloy

Ann Morrison

Mateo Chavez Lewis

Richard Maltby

American Museum of Natural History

Michelle King

Lost for Words: A Party Card Game of Untranslatable Feelings

The blog post about this event, with photos (including the one with Daria, her T.rex, and the audience). 

Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along.

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Join us as we unpack the 1973 murder mystery film The Last of Sheila, written by Stephen Sondheim and Anthony Perkins. The discussion features guest James McCusker, a 45-year fan of Sondheim and a college composition professor. They explore the movie's origins, the unique parlor games that inspired the screenplay, and its impact on pop culture. Additional insights are provided by David Leopold from the Al Hirschfeld Foundation, highlighting Hirschfeld's unique promotional artwork for the film. The episode concludes by examining the film's game design elements and how they reflect Sondheim's creative mind.

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00:00 Introduction to The Last of Sheila

01:26 Meet the Hosts: Barry and James

02:39 Origins of The Last of Sheila

05:02 Sondheim and Perkins: A Creative Partnership

13:52 The Games in The Last of Sheila

23:41 Exploring the Mysteries in Sheila

31:13 Clinton's Game and the Broken Pattern

32:23 The True Purpose of Clinton's Party

34:59 The Promotion and Press Book

36:23 Al Hirschfeld's Contribution

48:31 The Impact of 'The Last of Sheila'

53:53 Sondheim's Puzzle Design Values

57:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Special Links:

Colm Molloy

Ann Morrison

Mateo Chavez Lewis

The Al Hirschfeld Foundation

Hirschfeld's Sondheim: A Poster Book

Animation from Sondheim’s notes at the Library of Congress that create a crossword grid of the actor’s names.

The Last of Sheila production short

Thanks to everyone who contributed behind the scenes to this episode, specifically the musical stingers composed by Mateo Chavez Lewis, and the theme song to our podcast with lyrics and music by Colm Molloy, and sung by the one and only Ann Morrison, who created the role of Mary in Merrily We Roll Along.

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