It’s Day Two of Matt LaFleur Watch, and Jen, Gabe & Chewy dig into the uncomfortable questions facing the Packers as contract extension talks loom.

With reporting indicating both sides want to get a deal done — but major gaps likely remain in years and money — the crew debates what LaFleur actually is as a head coach, and whether “good” is good enough in today’s NFL.

Key discussions include:

🏈 Is Matt LaFleur more than just a good coach?

The hosts agree LaFleur is an elite offensive designer and quarterback developer, but question whether he has proven he can:

Manage late-game situations

Hold players accountable

Get teams ready for the biggest moments

Seven seasons in, some issues remain unchanged — and that matters when talking about a long-term commitment.

💰 Why contract length may be the real holdup

The group suspects the negotiation comes down to:

LaFleur wanting five years

The Packers preferring three

That gap matters, especially if Green Bay is unsure he’s the coach who can lead them to a Super Bowl.

🔄 If you don’t believe, you have to move on

One core truth drives the debate:

If you don’t believe LaFleur can win a Super Bowl, then you have to find someone who can.

The crew reflects on how unpredictable coaching hires are — including how few people expected LaFleur to succeed when he was hired — and why firing a winning coach is always a massive gamble.

🧠 The assistant coach problem

A major frustration surfaces:

The Packers’ reluctance to spend money on assistants.

The discussion covers:

Why the offensive staff has barely changed in seven years

Why good assistants should be getting hired away if they’re truly impactful

How internal promotions can lead to stagnation

Why meaningful evolution often requires paying market value

🎙️ Jason Wilde joins later in the hour

Later, Jason Wilde joins to add context from inside the locker room:

Why star players publicly defending LaFleur matters

Why injuries can be an explanation without being an excuse

Why stability still holds real value — even in a results-driven league

⚖️ The bottom line

The hour ends with a simple challenge for the organization:

If LaFleur stays, something has to change — staff, structure, or expectations.

Because doing the same thing and hoping for a different postseason result isn’t a plan.

🎧 Thoughtful debate, real frustration, and a franchise-defining conversation — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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