Warfare of Art & Law Podcast

M.C. Sungaila on her Journey as an Appellate Attorney, Author and Creator & Host of the Portia Project Podcast


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To learn more, please visit the websites for M.C. Sungaila, the Portia Project podcast, and Mother's Thoughts For the Day.

Show Notes:
3:00 Overview of M.C. Sungaila’s work

5:00 US v. Lanier, 520 U.S. 259 (1997)

9:00 González et al. (“Cotton Field”) v. Mexico in the Interamerican Court of Human Rights

11:30 factors considered in drafting appellate briefs 

14:30 her work on Holocaust art recovery cases began with Randy Schoenberg in Republic of Austria v. Altmann 

16:00 procedural hurdles for heirs in Holocaust art recovery cases

18:00 Zuckerman cert petition raised questions about the meaning of the HEAR Act and how state equitable doctrines should interplay with the HEAR Act

20:00 potential issues surrounding drafting of HEAR Act

21:30 developing issue of how forced sales fit into Holocaust art recovery 

22:40 Cassirer v. Kingdom of Spain, et al

25:30 Federal Republic of Germany, et al v. Philipp aka the Guelph Treasure case

30:25 Andy Warhol Foundation v. Goldsmith

39:20 need for procedural and substantive fairness in U.S. Legal system

41:40 mission of the Portia Project Podcast

49:40 Portia Project documentary 

54:00 Girls Inc episode of the Portia Project

56:00 Sungaila’s mother as one of her role models

57:40 Judge Dorothy Nelson and Judge Ferdinand Fernandez of the 9th Circuit

57:50 Judge Alicemarie Stotler, Chief Judge of the Central District of California 

58:45 Sungaila’s publishing of Mother’s Thoughts For the Day

1:02:00 Mother’s Thoughts For the Day self-guided journal and merchandise 

1:04:40 how Sungaila’s book publishing led to the Portia Project 

1:07:00 advice for mind-management and time-management 

1:10:50 what justice looks like or should look like to Sungaila

1:13:35 the theme of her work is the importance and power of the individual 

1:14:50 three of Sungaila’s favorite quotes from her mother that relate to making your own mark and persisting 

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Music by Toulme.

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