Last week Bob was at the Social Conservative Policy Conference (SoConCon) in Washington DC with social conservative leaders from the US & also Canada. Jojo Ruba is from the Cornerstone Institute (Canada) which is similar to Family First. We discuss social & moral issues which both Canada and NZ are dealing with - including abortion, euthanasia, 'conversion therapy' bans, the rapid expansion of euthanasia, Canada's disturbing hate speech laws, prostitution, anti-smacking laws and gender ideology. What can we learn from Canada's experience, and what can we warn them about.