Nick and Logo are joined by business executive and mindfulness enjoyer Patrick Butler to discuss his deconversion process out of fundamentalist Christianity and what he's taken from Buddhist thought.

Specific information about mindfulness practice begins around the 1:48:00 mark. Other helpful resources mentioned in the conversation:

"When Things Fall Apart" by Pema Chodron https://a.co/d/ctoTbZF

Jack Kornfield https://jackkornfield.com/

Thich Nhat Hanh https://plumvillage.org/about/thich-nhat-hanh

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