If you’re interested in this episode, you may also like ‘What will the Greens do next?’ https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hmcv

Gillian Mackay and Ross Greer (both pictured) are the new co-leaders of the Scottish Greens.

In a wide-ranging conversation covering Nigel Farage, flying flags and asylum hotels, they tell us why their position on transgender issues won’t change and why they’re unwilling to work with Sir Keir Starmer’s Labour.

Scotcast is the BBC’s Scottish news podcast, with Martin Geissler, Laura Miller and Natalie Higgins.

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