Join FrodoBots Lab's Co-Founder Michael Cho and Messari's Dylan Bane and Kinji Steimetz as they explore how crypto-powered robotics and decentralized networks are unlocking real-world AI applications, from urban navigation to autonomous agents.

Learn how decentralized physical AI is solving bottlenecks in data collection, model validation, and hardware scalability—and why this space could be the next big wave in crypto.The Fully Diluted Podcast with Messari Research brings you insightful, no-hype takes on what actually drives value in crypto. Subscribe to get weekly episodes with the best builders and researchers in crypto.

00:00 Intros

02:20 About Frodo and DePIN

04:28 Understanding Robotics & AI

19:18 Reward Incentives

24:21 Future of Robotics & AI

36:33 Challenges & Adoption

44:11 Data Collection & Validation

Hosted by Dylan Bane and Kinji Steimetz of Messari

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Join Markus Levin (Co-Founder of XYO) and Messari's Dylan Bane as they explore the evolution of proof of location and decentralized data verification.

Discover how XYO is bridging real-world data with blockchain through its proof-of-origin technology and vast global node network. Learn how the protocol is tackling challenges in location spoofing, tokenomics, and user adoption while scaling to new use cases like AI, gaming, and physical systems.

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00:00 Intros

01:13 Protocol and Background

08:05 Data & Technology Trends

09:40 Tokenomics & Governance

17:19 User Experience (UX) & Adoption

20:19 Building on L1s and Future Plans

23:13 AI & Physical Systems

Hosted by Dylan Bane of Messari

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Join Messari's CEO, Eric Turner, alongside Richard Liu (Co-Founder & Co-CEO of Huma Finance) and Lily Liu (President of Solana Foundation) as they explore the transformative potential of PayFi in crypto and traditional finance.

Discover how decentralized finance is reshaping cross-border payments, payment financing, and real-world financial applications. Learn why PayFi is more than just fast and cheap transactions—it's the future of a global, decentralized financial ecosystem.

Read the full PayFi report:

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00:30 Intros

09:35 PayFi

17:33 Solana

26:23 Arf

34:39 Future

Hosted by Eric Turner of Messari

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Ask Messari Copilot "How could io.net's model impact cloud computing costs for businesses?"

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Tory Green, io.net's Co-Founder and CEO, join Messari Enterprise Analyst, Dylan Bane to discuss io.net and cloud computing.

io.net is revolutionizing the $2.5 trillion cloud computing industry by creating a decentralized network of underutilized GPUs. Think "Airbnb for compute power." Their innovative approach offers virtually unlimited scalability, lower costs (up to 10x cheaper), and improved performance. Backed by an impressive network of 300,000 GPUs and partnerships across 130 countries, io.net is making waves in AI, decentralized infrastructure, and beyond.

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00:52 Introduction to io.net & Its Purpose

05:29 Advantages of Decentralized Compute

13:15 io.net Token System

12:20 Partnerships & Collaborations

19:03 AI Agents & Compute Demand

21:50 Future Goals & Vision

Hosted by Dylan Bane of Messari

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Ask Messari Copilot "How will the adoption of USDD V2 and other innovations on Tron shape the network’s role in 2025?"

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Tron Founder Justin Sun joins Messari CEO Eric Turner to discuss Tron's Q4 achievements, including its 35% revenue growth and the burn of 415 million TRX making it deflationary.

Check out Messari's TRON Portal at tron.messari.io

Justin shares exciting updates on the launch of USDD V2, the role of AI agents in blockchain, and how Tron is positioning itself for long-term growth amidst a shifting regulatory landscape. They also discuss the importance of stablecoins, meme coins, and how innovation continues to drive adoption in the crypto space.

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00:37 Introduction

03:22 Stablecoin

06:50 Memecoin

10:38 U.S. Election

15:40 Future

Hosted by Eric Turner of Messari

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Ask Messari Copilot "What are the most promising opportunities in PayFi's future?"

Erbil Karaman, Huma Finance's Co-Founder and Tomer Weller, Stellar's CPO, join Messari CEO, Eric Turner, to discuss the PayFi Ecosystem and recently published Messari report.

Discover the PayFi ecosystem and its potential to revolutionize global payments, financing, and cross-border transactions. This conversation delves into real-world use cases, the PayFi stack, and the role of stablecoins and DeFi in shaping financial innovation. Tune in to hear more about the potential of blockchain to create seamless, efficient, and scalable payment systems.

00:00 Intros

02:53 What is Stellar?

04:17 What is PayFi?

06:42 Cross-border Payments and Stablecoins

11:54 Stablecoin & RWA Adoption

23:34 DeFi & PayFi Relationship

28:00 Most Exciting PayFi Use Case

33:56 Challenges and Headwinds

36:02 What is Arf?

39:20 Future

43:33 Ecosystem announcements

Hosted by Eric Turner of Messari

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Ask Messari Copilot "How will new stablecoin issuers shape global liquidity and adoption?"

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Anna Yuan, Perena's Founder and former Stablecoin Lead at Solana Labs, joins the Messari Research team to discuss the future of stablecoins. From the challenges of liquidity fragmentation to the role of agentic payments and real-world applications of stablecoins, Anna shares her expertise on the innovations shaping decentralized finance (DeFi).

Discover how stablecoins are transforming global markets, what’s driving their adoption, and the exciting new opportunities emerging in the space. Don’t miss this deep dive into the intersection of fintech, crypto, and stablecoins.

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00:00 Intros

03:22 Crypto Trends and Surprises

08:33 Stablecoins & Adoption

11:52 User Growth & Market Strategies

23:19 Market Consolidation & Fungibility

24:52 CDP Systems & Development

28:58 Future Winners & Risks

Hosted by Andrew Dyer & Kinji Steimetz of Messari

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Ask Messari Copilot "How could AI-powered camera networks reshape industries beyond autonomous driving?"

Alireza Ghods & Ulrik Lages, Natix's Core Contributors, join the Messari Research team to discuss mapping and autonomous vehicles.

Learn about the potential applications of their data for autonomous driving, smart cities, and beyond, as well as how Natix is leveraging blockchain technology and decentralized infrastructure to drive innovation.

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00:00 Intros

01:12 Origins

09:03 Client?

15:25 Centralized Model Advantages?

19:56 Lessons on Natix Incentives

30:13 Autonomous Vehicle Service

41:41 Multichain Challenges?

45:24 Future

Hosted by Dylan Bane & Kinji Steimetz of Messari

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Ask Messari Copilot "What were the top trends in the State of DePIN 2024?"

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00:00 Introductions

00:24 Origins

02:43 Growth

14:59 Agent vs Vitrualize

22:51 Partnership

28:09 Prediction

38:22 Decentralized Networks

44:28 Future

Hosted by Dylan Bane of Messari

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Ask Messari Copilot: "How is DIMO scaling its vehicle network and attracting developers in 2025?"

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Join Dylan and Kinji as they sit down with Rob Solomon, co-founder of DIMO, to discuss how DIMO is revolutionizing vehicle connectivity through decentralized technology. From enabling seamless car data sharing to exploring use cases like usage-based insurance, EV charging insights, and even Pokémon Go-style apps, Rob breaks down DIMO's vision of creating an open, interoperable platform for mobility.

Learn how DIMO is tackling challenges like scaling globally, empowering developers, and integrating blockchain for seamless transactions. Don't miss insights into the massive potential of the mobility data market and what’s ahead for DIMO in 2025!

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00:00 Introductions

00:55 Dimo Overview

06:30 Value Flow in Dimo

10:49 Growth Constraints

15:35 Blockchain

19:57 Autonomous Vehicles

25:26 Car Data

30:24 Roadmap

Hosted by Dylan Bane & Kinji Steimetz of Messari

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