Two former Meta leaders are breaking their silence on Australia’s world-first under-16s social media ban. The law is just weeks old, and we’ve heard plenty from government, parents and kids - but less from the people who understand, from the inside, how Meta thinks about safety, incentives, and enforcement.

My guests are a former Meta director Kelly Stonelake who worked on Mark Zuckerberg’s metaverse before raising concerns about child harms and later being laid off. She now advocates for child safety and tech regulation, advises the US Federal Trade Commission, and publishes the Substack Overturned.

I’m also joined by Brian Boland, Meta’s former Vice President of ads and marketing, who has advised governments and testified to the US Senate that platforms prioritise growth over safety.

We recorded the day after the terror attack on Australia's Bondi Beach, leading to violent footage flooding social media. I wanted to know whether society rely on tech companies to self-regulate, or will it take laws like Australia’s to force change?

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