“If you’re not paying for the product, you are the product.” It’s a line we’ve all heard, but in an AI-powered world of constant surveillance, it’s never felt truer - or scarier. Today’s guest is someone who has spent years trying to fix it.

Joe Jerome is the Senior Public Policy Manager at DuckDuckGo - the search engine that built a business by saying no to surveillance. No cookies, no creepy trackers, no data slurping for profit. Just search, without the stalker.

Joe’s spent time inside DC’s policy circles, the Center for Democracy and Technology, and now sits at the heart of the privacy vanguard - working to reshape internet regulation, user rights, and the future of ethical tech.

We talk surveillance capitalism, the shifting browser wars, emerging AI, and whether regulators, judges and governments have the spine to go up against Big Tech’s trillion-dollar dragnet.

And we ask: Can a company like DuckDuckGo survive and scale - without selling you?

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Marc Choquette heads SEO at The Boston Globe and has lived in the blast radius of Google since 2009, but he’s a numbers guy and he’s seen something new and exciting.

He says the data shows that AI isn’t flattening everything evenly, and sites built on original, local, can’t-fake-it reporting are seeing gains.

Marc joins Alan Chapell and I to share the Globe’s playbook on rising above AI slop and how his newsroom has figured out how to “ship, learn, and repeat” its successes.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Tech giant Cloudflare jolted the tech and publishing world when it announced it was stepping in as a traffic cop to protect publishers from AI's training on their content without permission. Alan and I are joined by Will Allen, Cloudflare’s VP of Product, to unpack whether this is really the turning point in what’s been, so far, a losing battle for content creators.

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Antitrust professor John Newman - veteran of both the US Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission - hasn’t minced words about Google’s monopoly in search.

Today, he explains why the judge’s remedies miss the mark in both law and tone, how publishers and other victims can push back, and why a new generation of lawyers is preparing to fight for tougher rules to save the open web.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Ad chief Joshua Lowcock was a key witness alongside Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella in the antitrust trial that exposed Google’s dominance in both search and advertising.

As global chief media officer at UM Worldwide, he oversaw billions in ad spend for some of the world’s biggest brands. His unflinching testimony helped the court rule Google held an ad tech monopoly.

Today, he reveals what comes next.

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Shoshana Wodinsky was a tech reporter for Gizmodo, AdWeek, and MarketWatch until reporting wasn’t enough. So she joined the US Federal Trade Commission.

Soon, she was in the room with former chair Lina Khan, shaping decisions on Big Tech mergers and global privacy.

Now she’s part of a new wave of journalists helping regulators swap out theory for real-world experience.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser has led the charge against Google’s trio of monopolies in search, ad tech and app stores.

As lead counsel for 38 US states, he had an influential say in the multi-year investigation that backed the US Department of Justice, and landed the landmark wins in court.

Now, with verdicts in and remedies imminent, AG Weiser has a rare kind of power.

His office will appoint one of three members to the technical committee tasked with dismantling Google’s empire. The other two picks will come from the DOJ and Google.

That gives him the swing vote in how the post-Google internet takes shape.

In this exclusive interview, AG Weiser reveals who should - and shouldn’t - get Chrome, what it might cost, and why Google’s long game of appeals may already be running out of road.

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Four billion people use Chrome to access the web but after three antitrust losses, the Department of Justice has demanded the browser is spun out and handed to a new custodian to power the next generation of the open web.

We are joined by leading voices in tech policy and browser tech to discuss how big a job that actually is. Alissa Cooper is the executive director of the Knight Georgetown Institute, and Eric Rescorla is the former CTO of the Firefox browser.

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Tim Cowen of Preiskel & Co joins Alan Chapell to discuss Google's antitrust woes, and the Movement for an Open Web's call for DOJ to more effectively harmonize the various remedies Google's antitrust trials given the interdependencies between the cases. They also compare and contrast the UK CMA's approach to reigning in Google Chrome with the DOJ's proposed use of a technical committee.

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Ricky Sutton and Chapell talk with competition and regulatory attorney Gene Burrus about Apple's participation in EU Digital Markets Act workshops.

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