Long before the Matrix captured peoples imaginations, Winn Schwartau was steadily offering red pills for those reading his many books on information warfare.  A scholastic level researcher without the pretense, Mr. Schwartau has been recognized internationally as one of the leading security thinkers of our time and has a special capability for distilling complex security concepts into every day language and metaphor. 

In this episode Tim and Doug talk with Winn about the battle big tech is waging on our cognitive capabilities. Recorded just days before the release of Winn's latest book, this interview is a very frank examination of our current human state and some sound direction on how to counter the effects of coexisting with technology.

Some sample chapters of the new book and links are available here:
https://winnschwartau.com/metawar/