Mike talks with attorney, former law school dean, and current Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson. In 2022, Secretary Benson was recognized for her refusal to back down in the face of threats and harassment in the wake of the 2020 presidential election with the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award. She’s running for governor of Michigan in 2026 and is the author of the recently released book The Purposeful Warrior: Standing Up for What’s Right When the Stakes Are High.

Topics Mike & Secretary Benson discuss include:

- why Donald Trump called Secretary Benson a ‘rogue secretary of state’

- why we need more warriors in our already-contentious politics

- how politics awards risk-averse behavior

- why more Republicans in Congress aren’t challenging President Trump

- if states should roll back their COVID-era election changes

- the importance of fixing things that aren’t broken (yet)

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