Tony chats with Michael Ley, Director of Network Relationships at Hawksoft, they are the third largest Agency Management System (AMS) with a passionate group of users. (For High Ds: Actual content starts at about minute 8.) I had heard about Hawksoft every once in a while and it was awesome to finally hear the story direct from them. What an interesting company! What started as an app writer because of bad handwriting, grew to be a full fledged AMS. They're still family owned and every agency that uses is part of the family. 

Michael Ley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/realmichaelley/
Hawksoft: https://www.hawksoft.com

Video Version: https://youtu.be/Y1nc-PR_J90